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[C-Services Holland b.v.]

That is my whole point. If I had ever been to the Netherlands than I would
have made the effort to learn Dutch to the
extent that I was able to make myself understood.

If the tourists to the Netherlands behave as you describe then that shows
that they are both arrogant and ignorant.

You are absolutely right, this newsgroup has an international
participantship. However, the language of this newsgroup is English. Seeing
as how the medium of this newsgroup is written, I don't really care how
fluent someone is or isn't, as the case may be, in spoken English. What I am
emphasising is that if one wants to make oneself understood in this medium
it is important that what one writes is phrased in a manner that others can
understand.

Have you ever been abroad (and I do mean to a country where the main
language isn't English)? Like I said, if you'd travelled as much as I
have you'd be speaking 15 languages by now. I'm sorry, but that's
totally unbelievable. Aside from that, speaking a language is far easier
than writing a language grammatically correct with every comma and
period in the right place. Seems to me you have no concept of how other
languages differ (i.e. scentance building, singular/plural differces,
etc). These differences easily lead to small errors such as forgotten
words or words in the wrong place or order since in a persons native
language that would actually be correct.

You say you would have made the effort to make yourself understood in
Dutch (you have no idea how hard Dutch is to foreigners ). I applaud
that. But if I had the same opinion you display here that would be
insufficient. You'd better make sure you speak it flawlessly. That's no
less than you demand of the people that write here.

In my opinion you essentially demanding people to write English
flawlessly in this newsgroup is just as arrogant and ignorant as you
call the tourists that come to my country.

quote- "it is important that what one writes is phrased in a manner that
others can understand."

That I agree with. That doesn't mean that what is written has to be 100%
correct English. We're not talking life and death situations here where
a slight misunderstanding might lead to a planecrash. If you don't
understand someone's answer or are confused by what or how they write
something, you can simply ask them to clarify it but don't get all high
and mighty about them not being able to write a decent English scentance.

 

[Doug Taylor]

Have you ever been abroad (and I do mean to a country where the main
language isn't English)? Like I said, if you'd travelled as much as I
have you'd be speaking 15 languages by now. I'm sorry, but that's
totally unbelievable. Aside from that, speaking a language is far easier
than writing a language grammatically correct with every comma and
period in the right place. Seems to me you have no concept of how other
languages differ (i.e. scentance building, singular/plural differces,
etc). These differences easily lead to small errors such as forgotten
words or words in the wrong place or order since in a persons native
language that would actually be correct.

An additional problem is the lack of clearly defined rules in English
Grammar, it is not like French where the rules are relatively hard and
fast. It is easy to write gramatically correct, but idiomatically odd
English.

For example "I am speaking to you about this problem"
"I speak to you about this problem." are both gramatically correct,
but a native English speaker would probably say "I want to speak to
you about this problem."

Of course in Europe, we only have to go a few hundred kilometres to be
in a different country, speaking a different language, so perhaps we
are more used to adjusting.

Doug Taylor

 

[slonocode]

Debbie,

There is a minority of the English-speaking people, who think, that because
they can speak English that they are high above the rest of the world.

However, often are they to stupid to understand the problem and think than
that it is because the other ones lack to be able to write in errorless
English.

Lucky enough do Stephany and you not understand what I am writing and
therefore you cannot become upset from this message.

By the way, did you put your message in a spellchecker? In almost every
paragraph, there is an error.

Cor

Wow this looks like it got out of hand.


Cor,

This is not meant to offend you and is not written from a high above you
perspective.

I also have a hard time understanding some of your posts to this group.
This lack of understanding has little to do with spelling errors.
Most spelling errors are easily spotted and rarely make a post unable to
be understood. It also has little to do with error free English. I'm
sure that my post right now is not errorless English but I am fairly
certain that the vast majority of readers will be able to understand my
meaning.

You have a great deal of knowledge about vb.net. You are very active in
this group and very generous to spend so much of your time to help
others. It is the very fact that you are so active and helpful that
makes it more frustrating when your posts are hard to understand. It is
also the reason that someone would take the time to bring this subject
to your attention.

In my opinion you have a choice on how you receive and respond to this.
1. You can become offended and angry.
2. You can become aware that the people you are trying to help are
having a hard time understanding your meaning and decide whether or not
to take steps to improve communication.

Thank you for your time.
Slonocode