How to clean registry

J

Josefa

I have recently uninstalled various programs and would like to remove old
file remnants from the registry knowing what I am doing. Can someone tell me
the best way to do that or refer me to a website that guides one through it?
Also, is there any free software that is recommended? I Goggled this and
there were various that seemed good and free but were in reality for
purchase.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Joanramu
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Josefa said:
I have recently uninstalled various programs and would like to remove old
file remnants from the registry knowing what I am doing. Can someone tell
me the best way to do that or refer me to a website that guides one through
it? Also, is there any free software that is recommended? I Goggled this
and there were various that seemed good and free but were in reality for
purchase.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Joanramu

This is probably the start of another thread that ranges far and wide due to
the strong opinions that people hold about registry cleaners. Here is my own
opinion:
1. Residual registry entries left behind by not-so-thorough
unistall programs do not slow down your machine, same
as files in the temp folder of your disk don't slow it down.
2. Most registry cleaners are either completely useless or even
harmful.
3. To "substantiate" their worth, most registry cleaners will report
dozens or hundreds of registry entries that they would remove.
This impresses potential buyers but has no benefit - see Point 1
above.
4. I have never seen an authoritative report that proves the benefit
of a registry cleaner.
5. People who have used registry cleaners frequently report that
their machines run faster. Invariably their assessment is based on
a gut feeling rather than on a repeatable test with a stop watch.
 
B

Bill in Co.

Josefa said:
I have recently uninstalled various programs and would like to remove old
file remnants from the registry knowing what I am doing. Can someone tell
me
the best way to do that or refer me to a website that guides one through
it?
Also, is there any free software that is recommended? I Goggled this and
there were various that seemed good and free but were in reality for
purchase.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Joanramu

The best advice we can give you is: don't do it. Its potential problems are
much too great (like really messing up your system), and you gain nothing of
any significance in the process of doing it, anyways. Old file references
in the registry are generally of no real consequence.

To summarize: "a word to the wise is sufficient".
 
D

db.·.. >

good idea you have to
maintaining your system
tuned up.

here is one from
microsoft:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

in addition, you can use in
conjunction with the above,
another utility called Eusing.

you may also want to
install the utility below
and load it to run at boot
time:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx

------------

the in-depth analysis i
performed proved that the
utilities above will keep
your registry database's
fault free and barring
issues with disk or the
file system.

-------------

incidentally, the technician
that denounces registry
maintenance also developed
page defrag.

just goes to show that you
have to rely on your own
sensibilities when it comes
to your own system and
avoid the manipulation.
--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
 
K

Ken Blake

I have recently uninstalled various programs and would like to remove old
file remnants from the registry knowing what I am doing. Can someone tell
me the best way to do that or refer me to a website that guides one through
it? Also, is there any free software that is recommended? I Goggled this
and there were various that seemed good and free but were in reality for
purchase.


Three points:

1. Those left-over references to uninstalled programs in the regitsry don't
hurt you in any way, waste only a tiny amount of disk space, and there is
no real benefit to removing them.

2. Although I recommend that you don't remove the registry entries, the only
acceptable way is doing it manually, *if* you are a very knowledgeable and
skilled registry editor.

3. Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry
isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any
registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of
registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may
have.
 
D

Daave

Alias said:
Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
presses potential buyers but has no benefit - see Point 1

Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

Is that you, Database Ben?

Seriously, Alias, there is an enormous difference between marketing
claims and independent, objective, third-party evidence. Post a link to
something - *anything* - that demonstrates how regularly deleting
"orphaned or misplaced information" noticeably improves performance,
specifically citing actual experiments and then you'll have some
credibility. If not, it will be noted that no such evidence has been
presented to date.

Are there times that certain such items sould be deleted? Yes, when
certain programs (usually antivirus apps) are running into problems
because of a conflict of some sort. But that's not the topic of
discussion.
 
A

Alias

Daave said:
Is that you, Database Ben?

Who dat?
Seriously, Alias, there is an enormous difference between marketing
claims and independent, objective, third-party evidence. Post a link to
something - *anything* - that demonstrates how regularly deleting
"orphaned or misplaced information" noticeably improves performance,
specifically citing actual experiments and then you'll have some
credibility. If not, it will be noted that no such evidence has been
presented to date.

Are there times that certain such items sould be deleted? Yes, when
certain programs (usually antivirus apps) are running into problems
because of a conflict of some sort. But that's not the topic of
discussion.

MS made XP. MS made OneCare. How much more "expert" on what works well
with XP can you get? Are you saying that MS is lying and ripping people
off with their registry cleaner program?

That said, I use Crap Cleaner and very selectively after an uninstall to
get rid of what's left over.

Alias
 
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db.·.. >

i have and the conclusion
is that the information you
are referring to in the
link is superficial and a
collusion among unqualified
and squawking geeks.

------------

the fact is that microsoft
invented the registry and
the registry cleaner, those
geeks did not.

the fact is that microsoft
invented the windows o.s.,
those geeks did not.

the fact is that i utilized
advanced database methodologies
to analyze the registry hives
and two cleaners like the one
provided by microsoft, the
geeks did not.

the fact is that one of the
geeks denounces maintaining
the registry database, but turned
around and created a utility to
maintain the registry, the others
geeks did not nor denounced
but should have.

---------------

people don't really understand
that windows is simply one big
database and the registry files are
a microcosm of database technology.
--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
 
D

Daave

Alias said:
Who dat?


MS made XP.
True.

MS made OneCare.

Also true.
How much more "expert" on what works well with XP can you get?
Are you saying that MS is lying and ripping people off with their
registry cleaner program?

I suppose I am, but not quite as harshly as you. :) Once more, I refer
you to my previous comments:

"There is an enormous difference between marketing claims and
independent, objective, third-party evidence."

If Microsoft is offering a particular service or product, it does not
logically follow that it is necessary. I'm sure you're somewhat familiar
with the concept of profit. ;-)
 
T

Twayne

ccleaner.com is pretty good, as is diskeeper.com IIRC
http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,iid=77316,00.asp


http://www.ccleaner.com/download
They ask for donations, which is fine, but it is downloadable for free.
This is a bad place to ask about registry cleaners; there is a closed
minded faction here whose ultimate intent is to libel and slander every
registry cleaner on the market under the guise that NONE are any good
and will cause irreversible problems. Pegasus is not one of those, but
.... I still feel inclined to right his misinformation.

Always be sure what you choose has no ads and can put "fixes" back if it
turns out something untoward happens.

Also, is there any free software that is
See above.

I Goggled this and there were various that seemed good
That's the problem for newbies; separating the chaff from the good
fruit. Try a search for
"registry cleaner" +review

exactly as typed and there is a fair likelihood someone you respect has
done a review of them. It's a list of possibilities at least.

Here's a reasonable, not great, description of what they do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registry_cleaner

There are many phonies out there and malware ridden applications for
registry cleaners, just as there are for disk defragmenters, editors,
and everything else. The OP is wise to be checking first.

However, this post is a long boilerplate that ignores the question that
was asked by the OP and was uncalled for.
This is probably the start of another thread that ranges far and wide
due to the strong opinions that people hold about registry cleaners.
Here is my own opinion:
1. Residual registry entries left behind by not-so-thorough
unistall programs do not slow down your machine, same
as files in the temp folder of your disk don't slow it down.

Ah, but some can and have done so indeed. You should never say never.
I've seen it enough times to know it's possible. As for the temp
folder/s, leftovers in there can sometimes create some pretty nasty and
hard to chase down problems that are often fixed by deleting them. Even
worms and trojans can operate from the temp folders. It's always a good
idea to keep them trimmed up. "Temp" isn't the only folder these things
can reside in either.
2. Most registry cleaners are either completely useless or even
harmful.

OK, although how you count "most" can be debated, which I'm not inclined
to do. BUT this isn't what the OP asked. He asked for just the
opposite, in fact. I've noticed an interesting phonomina in the
searches lately on Google: so far, every anti-registry cleaner I have
clicked on to see what they had to say, was a 404 Not Found. No idea
what it really means, but it's interesting if nothing else.

Ccleaner is one such that is often mentioned here as being used.
Cleaning the registry after the removal of a few programs will often
not show any improvements, but that isn't what the OP asked. He asked:
Actually, except for his title, he may not actually mean "registry
clean" as a program that does cleaning of the registry , but more in the
area of step by step instructions to guide him through a learning
process about how to maintain the registry.
3. To "substantiate" their worth, most registry cleaners will report
dozens or hundreds of registry entries that they would remove.
This impresses potential buyers but has no benefit - see Point 1
above.

How do you know there is no benefit? Citations? Referrals? Links? Do
you have any current empirical data even, to show that's the case at
least on your own machine/s? The amount of supporting data for these
things is interesting in light of how much information IS available.
4. I have never seen an authoritative report that proves the benefit
of a registry cleaner.

And I've never seen an "authoritative " report to back up what you say
either. "authoritative " being the main vagueness there and depending
on how you mean it. I have however, seen several sources of "accurate"
descriptions of their benefits, and verified them, and gained the
experience needed to be able to tell whether an app is good or not based
on a little simple research.
This is more a problem you have more than it is the usefulness of not
of any particular application, let alone classifying an entire industry
as useless, although your stance is more sensible than a couple others
around here.
5. People who have used registry cleaners frequently report that
their machines run faster. Invariably their assessment is based on
a gut feeling rather than on a repeatable test with a stop watch.

That may be; certainly isn't impossible. By running my registry
maintenance program (aka "cleaner") on a machine just last Thursday I
got a stopwatch- measured decrease in boot time of 40 seconds (boot =
end of POST to initiation of background programs for the System Tray
since it's such a huge variable). In the end the machine was completely
functional in 3:02 including System Tray population. I suspect you know
what it was it removed. And, it stopped the single boot-time error,
didn't crash anything I could find, and as of around noon today, that
user was still quite happy with his machine.

When people need HELP, that's what responses should be about; HELP. Not
telling them they don't know enough, should get someone else when there
isn't any real need of that (yet), and certainly they deserve to hear
more than why they are wrong in what they want, as with this OP. I'm
not even certain what he wanted was an actual "regitry cleaner". A few
simple responses, properly indicating your opinion of a few things would
have sufficed and left him to be able to go on to other posts that
address his questions.

Regards,

Twayne
 
T

Twayne

Alias said:
Is that you, Database Ben?

Seriously, Alias, there is an enormous difference between marketing
claims and independent, objective, third-party evidence. Post a link
to something - *anything* - that demonstrates how regularly deleting
"orphaned or misplaced information" noticeably improves performance,
specifically citing actual experiments and then you'll have some
credibility. If not, it will be noted that no such evidence has been
presented to date.

Are there times that certain such items sould be deleted? Yes, when
certain programs (usually antivirus apps) are running into problems
because of a conflict of some sort. But that's not the topic of
discussion.

lol, neither is your post!
 
T

Twayne

Josefa said:
The best advice we can give you is: don't do it. Its potential
problems are much too great (like really messing up your system), and
you gain nothing of any significance in the process of doing it,
anyways. Old file references in the registry are generally of no
real consequence.
To summarize: "a word to the wise is sufficient".

Well, that depends on who the word comes from, or another way to put it,
which end of the horse it comes from.
Your use of "we" is a LIE: besides, tinw.
Also, you minimized a wide area of interest to one, tiny part of the
issue. Smart. Your'e nothing but a parrot and a sock puppet.
 
T

Twayne

db,

I've seen a lot of references to Eusing lately; do you have actual
experience with it yet?

Twayne
 
T

Twayne

Ah! Here we are; the blind and closed mind of one so original he's even
picked up part of another's boilerplate for his libel and slander.

I wondered where it had gone to!

Three points:

1. Those left-over references to uninstalled programs in the regitsry
don't hurt you in any way, waste only a tiny amount of disk space,
and there is no real benefit to removing them.

Citations? Links? References supporting? Anything?
2. Although I recommend that you don't remove the registry entries,
the only acceptable way is doing it manually, *if* you are a very
knowledgeable and skilled registry editor.

Duh, it's knowledge OF the registry, not being skilled at a registry
editor that matters if one is going to mess with the registry directly
themselves.
Give something to back up your claims and convince the world how
great you are!
3. Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

Yup, ONE of the things a registry cleaner can do makes them all "snake
oil". No sense in looking at any overall picture, the whole forest,
when one's mind is firmly closed to facts and data that stares them
right in the face. You're still wrong and you still know it.
The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Actually, it's nearly 100% minor, and easily corrected should it happen
when one used a decent, not even a great, registry cleaner.

You cannot learn with a mind that's been closed for over 5 years; you
have absolutely nothing of value to contribute here and that's what you
should contribute; nothing.
 
T

Twayne

Think your Registry needs "cleaning" or "repairing"? Read

lol, yeah, and of course, it MUST be by accident that the same people
HERE are present and writing over THERE, right? There is something in a
name these days, but ... sometimes it's pretty meaningless.
Because of comments like in this thread, the whole of aumha must then
be no good, never to be relied on, full of "snake oil" and closed minds,
so ... there is never any reason to go to that site. Right?
 
D

Daave

Twayne said:
lol, neither is your post!

Of course it is. The thread evolved to the point where Alias was
conflating the notion of "an authoritative report that proves the
benefit of a registry cleaner" (something Pegasus pointed out he has
never seen) with the unobjective, unscientific marketing claims of
Microsoft. Although I agree that there are times when the registry needs
attention, the topic of discussion was whether or not there exists *any*
evidence to support the notion that "regularly deleting 'orphaned or
misplaced information' noticeably improves performance." Snipping the
rest of my post may have suited your hit-and-run one-liner, but your
failure to seriously address the issue is noted.
 

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