How set server for home network?

[min]

Hi,there:
The computer network system is like this:

Computer1, 2, 3 all connected to a hub. they are in the same workgroup.
The hub is connected to internet through a DSL modem:

[computers] => hub => DSL modem=> ISP(internet server)

What I want to do is let all computers have internet access, but also can
share files and printers in workgroup.Meanwhile, I need IIS on one computer
just for program test.

I installed win2k server on a computer, and all computers can access
internet, but the workgroup did not work anywhere.

How can I set the win2k server in this system?

Thanks!

Min

 

[Richard G. Harper]

Start with the simple. Do all four computers get valid IP addresses from
the router? Are all four in the same workgroup? Can you ping from any one
to the other three both by name and IP address?

 

[min]

Thanks for reply.
Unfortunately, its not a roter but just a Hub.
Now, I installed netbuei on the three computers. It seem these computers can
see eachother, but a Win98 computer can access the other two Win2k
computers, It ask for just password:
Source \\Win2k1\IPC$
password:

No mater what password I provided, the win98 computer just cannot access
Win2k1.

The two win2k computers can communicate eachother, though.

What's wrong with the win98 computer?

Best wishes,

Min.

Start with the simple. Do all four computers get valid IP addresses from
the router? Are all four in the same workgroup? Can you ping from any one
to the other three both by name and IP address?

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Hi,there:
The computer network system is like this:

Computer1, 2, 3 all connected to a hub. they are in the same workgroup.
The hub is connected to internet through a DSL modem:

[computers] => hub => DSL modem=> ISP(internet server)

What I want to do is let all computers have internet access, but also can
share files and printers in workgroup.Meanwhile, I need IIS on one computer
just for program test.

I installed win2k server on a computer, and all computers can access
internet, but the workgroup did not work anywhere.

How can I set the win2k server in this system?

Thanks!

Min

 

[Roland Hall]

in message : The computer network system is like this:
:
: Computer1, 2, 3 all connected to a hub. they are in the same workgroup.
: The hub is connected to internet through a DSL modem:
:
: [computers] => hub => DSL modem=> ISP(internet server)
:
: What I want to do is let all computers have internet access, but also can
: share files and printers in workgroup.Meanwhile, I need IIS on one
computer
: just for program test.
:
: I installed win2k server on a computer, and all computers can access
: internet, but the workgroup did not work anywhere.
:
: How can I set the win2k server in this system?

Hi Min...

First let me say, good job providing detail. We usually have to ask.

Let's cover some basics.

1. The Internet uses only one protocol, actually a suite of protocols,
TCP/IP. NetBEUI is not routable and since the net only supports TCP/IP,
it's of no use on the net. You should only be running TCP/IP. However, in
Win98, this is actually NetBIOS over TCP/IP. Over implies it is wrapped in
an IP packet, sent to the target system, via the wire [cabling or wireless],
and unwrapped on the other end so the NetBIOS information can be used. On
the Internet, this can also be done but most connections are just using
TCP/IP.

Since Win98 MUST use NetBIOS to communicate with other systems that it logs
into, the target system must also be configured with NetBIOS over TCP/IP.
Your network settings will show this.

Right click on My Network Settings on the desktop, select properties.
Right click on your network interface, generally called Local Area
Connection and select properties.
Locate Internet Protocol (TCP/IP), in the components list and select
[highlight] it.
Click properties.
Click the Advanced button.
Click the WINS tab.
Make sure Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP is selected.
Click OK to save and close each window [should be 3 of them], then click
close on the last one.
If it asks you to reboot, do that.

Let us know if you can see the other systems [after installing and only
using TCP/IP on the Win98 computers].
This will not solve your Internet problem but will get you working locally.
You will need the same logon and password on each system that you try to
connect to. You can create different users on the server and it can connect
using any credentials but Win98 can only connect via the credentials it used
to logon to the workstation. While you can have more than one, you would
have to logout first and login as the other user.

For your Internet connectivity, I suggest getting a SOHO router. I prefer
Belkin over others but most any will do. It should be NAT capable, have a
firewall, application support and have a web interface for configuration.
Unless you are going to run AD (Active Directory) you can let the router
supply the IP information for the workstations but you need a static IP
address for the server.

After installing a firewall, your local IP information will use private
addressing, generally 192.168.0.x or 192.168.1.x, by default. x will
generally be 1 by default for the router. Assign a static number to the
server, outside the range of your IP pool for your workstations. If your
router allows for 50 other connections (default for Belkin), then make your
server an address above that or reduce the 50 to something closer to what
you have. I have less than 10 workstations so I reduced my pool to address
10 and starting with 2. So, my server is .11 or 192.168.0.11. You set this
in your network settings on your server. There is nothing to tell the
router about the server, other than if you want to run a web server on it.
This will require you opening up port 80, routing it to 192.168.0.11 [if
your server is set for address 11] and allowing the HTTP service.

Your router can be set to get the IP information you are now getting from
your ISP. If it is dynamic, it will happen when you plug the router in. If
it requires some specific configuration that you were sent by your ISP, then
you will need to configure the router per those instructions.

Shout where you get stuck and we'll go from there.

--
Roland Hall
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Thank you for detailed instruction.
I changed the TCP/IP configuration on Win2k computer to Enable NetBIOS over
TCP/IP£¬ but when from win98 to access Win2k computer, it still ask for
password.

Where to set the password for win98 to access win2k ?

(Win2k can access win98)
Thanks!
Min

in message : The computer network system is like this:
:
: Computer1, 2, 3 all connected to a hub. they are in the same workgroup.
: The hub is connected to internet through a DSL modem:
:
: [computers] => hub => DSL modem=> ISP(internet server)
:
: What I want to do is let all computers have internet access, but also can
: share files and printers in workgroup.Meanwhile, I need IIS on one
computer
: just for program test.
:
: I installed win2k server on a computer, and all computers can access
: internet, but the workgroup did not work anywhere.
:
: How can I set the win2k server in this system?

Hi Min...

First let me say, good job providing detail. We usually have to ask.

Let's cover some basics.

1. The Internet uses only one protocol, actually a suite of protocols,
TCP/IP. NetBEUI is not routable and since the net only supports TCP/IP,
it's of no use on the net. You should only be running TCP/IP. However, in
Win98, this is actually NetBIOS over TCP/IP. Over implies it is wrapped in
an IP packet, sent to the target system, via the wire [cabling or wireless],
and unwrapped on the other end so the NetBIOS information can be used. On
the Internet, this can also be done but most connections are just using
TCP/IP.

Since Win98 MUST use NetBIOS to communicate with other systems that it logs
into, the target system must also be configured with NetBIOS over TCP/IP.
Your network settings will show this.

Right click on My Network Settings on the desktop, select properties.
Right click on your network interface, generally called Local Area
Connection and select properties.
Locate Internet Protocol (TCP/IP), in the components list and select
[highlight] it.
Click properties.
Click the Advanced button.
Click the WINS tab.
Make sure Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP is selected.
Click OK to save and close each window [should be 3 of them], then click
close on the last one.
If it asks you to reboot, do that.

Let us know if you can see the other systems [after installing and only
using TCP/IP on the Win98 computers].
This will not solve your Internet problem but will get you working locally.
You will need the same logon and password on each system that you try to
connect to. You can create different users on the server and it can connect
using any credentials but Win98 can only connect via the credentials it used
to logon to the workstation. While you can have more than one, you would
have to logout first and login as the other user.

For your Internet connectivity, I suggest getting a SOHO router. I prefer
Belkin over others but most any will do. It should be NAT capable, have a
firewall, application support and have a web interface for configuration.
Unless you are going to run AD (Active Directory) you can let the router
supply the IP information for the workstations but you need a static IP
address for the server.

After installing a firewall, your local IP information will use private
addressing, generally 192.168.0.x or 192.168.1.x, by default. x will
generally be 1 by default for the router. Assign a static number to the
server, outside the range of your IP pool for your workstations. If your
router allows for 50 other connections (default for Belkin), then make your
server an address above that or reduce the 50 to something closer to what
you have. I have less than 10 workstations so I reduced my pool to address
10 and starting with 2. So, my server is .11 or 192.168.0.11. You set this
in your network settings on your server. There is nothing to tell the
router about the server, other than if you want to run a web server on it.
This will require you opening up port 80, routing it to 192.168.0.11 [if
your server is set for address 11] and allowing the HTTP service.

Your router can be set to get the IP information you are now getting from
your ISP. If it is dynamic, it will happen when you plug the router in. If
it requires some specific configuration that you were sent by your ISP, then
you will need to configure the router per those instructions.

Shout where you get stuck and we'll go from there.

--
Roland Hall
/* This information is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of merchantability
or fitness for a particular purpose. */
Online Support for IT Professionals -
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How-to: Windows 2000 DNS:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;308201

 

[Roland Hall]

in message : Thank you for detailed instruction.
: I changed the TCP/IP configuration on Win2k computer to Enable NetBIOS
over
: TCP/IP£¬ but when from win98 to access Win2k computer, it still ask for
: password.
:
: Where to set the password for win98 to access win2k ?
:
: (Win2k can access win98)
: Thanks!
: Min

You need to have an account on the W2K computer with the same username and
password that is on the win98. Win98 cannot modify it's credentials on the
fly like NT and above OS versions can.


--
Roland Hall
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without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of merchantability
or fitness for a particular purpose. */
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How-to: Windows 2000 DNS:
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