How get *MANUAL* XP Updates?

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Seems the MS Update site now is demanding one d/l & install the new
Automatic Update s/w before the site will do anything. This means
turning BITS back on & dubbing around, etc. Besides, on this box BITS
won't start anyway at present (error 1058 & I couldn't care less though
I really don't know why it won't start; BITS causes long startup delays
on this box & is disabled), so d/l-ing the "new update s/w
installation" is impossible.

Q: Is there a simple way to just use the site to scan for all missing
updates & just manually select/install as before - without getting
shortstopped by this "install the new autoupdate software" wall?
 
No matter how you go about it, if you go to v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com,
you have to start the Automatic Updates, BITS and Event Log services. I
only start Automatic Updates and BITS right before I check on Windows
Updates. Otherwise I leave them Disabled.

The Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS) service depends on the
Workstation service to be running.

LanmanWorkstation = Workstation service.

The Client for Microsoft Networks component is actually the Workstation
service.

Network Connections | Right click: Your Connection | Properties | General
tab | Install button | Highlight: Client | Add button | Highlight: Client
for Microsoft Networks | OK | Close

Removing Client for Microsoft Networks Removes Other Services
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;322267

Start | Run | Type: services.msc | OK |
Scroll down to and double click Workstation and set to
Automatic | OK
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1058 is the Event ID. What's the Event Source?

Event ID & the Event Source are very important.

To open the Event Viewer...
Start | Run | Type: eventvwr | OK

For any Events that seem related to the problem...

Double click the event in Event Viewer | Click: the button below the second
arrow (looks like two pages) [[Copies the details of the event to the
Clipboard.]] | Paste into Notepad | Click:
For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

Read all info | Copy and paste to Notepad | Click the [+] Related Knowledge
Base articles | Follow any links that might be useful

HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308427

This can also be very useful.
You need to have the Event ID & the Event Source.

Windows XP Professional Events and Errors
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/su...ows Operating System&MajorMinor=5.1&LCID=1033
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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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Thx Wes, but not sure what you're driving at, unless it may be a way of
checking all the other "bases" first? And at least I have the bad news
that I have to get/install/do/have this err, junk<g> in order to update
now. ;-^) So it likely just boils down to getting BITS started (I
hope). Let's focus on that:

- 1058 isn't the event ID just the error #. In any case the errortext
(from the corresponding DCOM error in the log & also same as what this
error # dialog box displays) is: "The service cannot be started, either
because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated
with it. ". FWIW the correct event ID = 10005.

- Workstation is on auto (and of course started/running).

- Likewise the MS ntwk client is & always has been present & up.

- Just for good order I had already reset Automatic Updates service to
auto, and the needed crypto is running as well.

I'm unaware of any other service dependencies for BITS to start...so
how might I get it going? Might this be a registry issue?
 
Wesley said:
Is the BITS service set to Automatic?

<sigh>Yes, I also tried it set to auto, but this means little since as
I've stated previously BITS cannot be started due to the also-captioned
error (i.e., whether manually or automatically). It does not matter
what it may be "set at" to be able manually start the service, yes?
ID: 10005
Source: DCOM
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/su...indows+Operating+System&LCID=1033&ProdVer=5.2

<sigh again>I went there B4 troubling a busy newsgroup; none of those
items are germane to the specific situ I've described - they address
other DCOM-related services which may yield the same errorcode. More
accurately, they do not address BITS nor give guidance how to further
determine why it won't start, nor how one might troubleshoot, correct
or start it.

Perhaps a poster with hands-on knowledge of this service & its related
registry entries may join in? We are only going in circles, Wes...
 
List of known issues for Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/331716

You can try unregistering and regisering the following files.

Paste all of the following into the Start | Run box, one at a time...

regsvr32 /u Bitsprx2.dll
regsvr32 /u Bitsprx3.dll
regsvr32 /u Qmgr.dll
regsvr32 /u Qmgrprxy.dll
regsvr32 /u Winhttp.dll

regsvr32 Bitsprx2.dll
regsvr32 Bitsprx3.dll
regsvr32 Qmgr.dll
regsvr32 Qmgrprxy.dll
regsvr32 Winhttp.dll
regsvr32 Xpob2res.dll


Do you have the KB842773 Windows Update??


[[The update for BITS 2.0 and the update for Microsoft Windows HTTP Services
(WinHTTP ) 5.1 are required components for the new releases of Microsoft
Windows Update and the Automatic Update service.]]
An update is available for Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS)
2.0 for Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;842309

Update package that includes Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS)
version 2.0 and WinHTTP 5.1 is available for Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;842773


Is your error 1058 maybe 1053???


Could not start the Background Intelligent Transfer Service service on Local
Computer. Error 1053"
http://www.faqshop.com/misc/bits/err 53.htm

Some more info...

Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS)
http://www.faqshop.com/misc/miscbits.htm

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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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Ho-ho, Wes! I'll check your furnished links further, but do you
realize that one cannot update BITS (or anything else) *without* BITS,
which is the primary problem of the thread? Similarly, consider that
without the update site service not only is it a bit difficult to
ascertain whether I have the particular update you cited (though I'll
take guidance as to how I may verify it), nor could it be contemplated
until BITS is fixed - or may these cited updates be d/l'd & installed
w/o Update or BITS (kindly forgive if I've misunderstood this)? And
no, 1058 is not 1053. ;-)
 
Wesley said:
You can try unregistering and regisering the following files.

Paste all of the following into the Start | Run box, one at a time...

regsvr32 /u Bitsprx2.dll
regsvr32 /u Bitsprx3.dll
regsvr32 /u Qmgr.dll
regsvr32 /u Qmgrprxy.dll
regsvr32 /u Winhttp.dll

regsvr32 Bitsprx2.dll
regsvr32 Bitsprx3.dll
regsvr32 Qmgr.dll
regsvr32 Qmgrprxy.dll
regsvr32 Winhttp.dll
regsvr32 Xpob2res.dll

The first 4 modules either don't exist or can't be found in my registry
- I didn't bother with the other 2 after noting that. I had also noted
the same prob when trying 2 of them from the MS Update helpsite before
posting here. So it's obvious that problem #1 is there is missing
stuff.
Do you have the KB842773 Windows Update??

AFAIK (i.e., from the hotix list reported in the Add/Remove utility),
no. This would seem moot at present, since I can't obtain any further
updates until BITS is up & running.
Is your error 1058 maybe 1053???

No.

There may or may not be a related problem: I'm getting .Net Framework
Initialization Error
c:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v.1.1.4322\mscorwks.dll could not be
loaded (_not_ when trying to start BITS but when clicking Help items
etc.).

I don't even _have_ a Microsoft folder & subfolders anymore (just found
out); it they were orphaned into .found files by chkdisk when I used it
as an interim fix for the previous HD which had a few bad sectors.

FWIW in replacing the HD I imaged the otherwise-fine-running
installation because it was reinstalled to a partition, whereas there
is no other way to install necessary OEM s/w except the damned "restore
CD's" which would wipe out the partitioning and the 2 other OS's which
have taken weeks to refine. I didn't notice the missing directory as I
seldom looked at the rather uninspiring XP Home tree. ;-) Naturally
all the system sounds are orphaned therein too, but I hadn't noticed
since I don't use them.

Now, I don't know that BITS is .NET Framework dependent, or even if it
requires anything from the MS directory path, but I did locate the
orphaned mscorwks.dll, and noted in its Properties that Workstation is
a dependency (even though the latter seems to be running without
complaint).

I also don't know if online Update itself is .NET Framework dependent,
but think it prudent to address this missing folder & all its files
first B4 focussing further on the BITS failure, yes? (Or pls correct me
if U disagree)

So, either this is part of the problem, or not, but I also need to
somehow restore the entire missing MS directory & wiping/a clean
install is not feasable due to the "recovery CD's" issue. It would
take weeks to rebuild the other 2 OS's from scratch.

Therefore:

Q: Can I extract the whole folder from the Recovery console (yes I
have a plain-Jane XP Home CD)? I know see how to extract individual
driver files from a .cab for example, but have no clue how to extract a
folder & it contents. And how to know exactly which .cab anything is
in, isn't anywhere on the CD.

Q: On inserting the XP CD (which also has SP1) just to browse it, it
displays a gui task menu that also lists .NET Framework, presumeably
for separate install. HWVR, clicking this item does nothing.

Q: Or alternatively(?), I have pretty much if not all of the original
MS directory contents in the orphaned (.found) folders, though it lacks
a v.1.1.4322 folder (but seems to have it's files). If I knew what the
directory structure is supposed to look like, perhaps I could patch it
together by creating the missing folder(s) & dumping the found stuff
into them.

The only other half-vast idea I've had, is to attempt a 2nd clean XP
install to an empty 2gb "shared" partition I have, copy whatever it
creates for a Microsoft folder to the original installation, then wipe
it. I'm not sure if this ploy would alter my MBR & creat other
problems.

It isn't clear from the docs (if U call them docs) whether one can
"upgrade install" XP over XP & only have it replace missing items
(assume not?).

I'm getting discouraged as I've spent 4x the time/work screwing with XP
than even with Lnx. :-( Thank God for some of you technical people. XP
is still the most efficient OS for my battery/laptop needs. None of
this is any fault of XP no matter what some of us may hate about it.
XP actually seems rather robust. IMHO it all comes down to the fault &
greed of OEM's furnishing restore CD's that cripple us & cause hundreds
of hours/dollars of losses & hassles when repair or restoration is
needed - OR give us the only alternative loss of losing the s/w.

So I am _exceedingly_ grateful for any competent guidance in patching
up my existing install in the least worst fashion, & to think outside
the box.

Much thx the read.

Rgds,
frank
 
Frank,

We may be able to fix some things, but it sounds like you have a lot of
messed up items.

I have not answered all of your questions. Lets take a few things at a
time. :-)

Did you use Advanced Search to search for Hidden Or System Files?

Here's how...
HOW TO: Search For Hidden Or System Files In Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302347

%windir% is a variable that shows where the Windows directory is.

This will open the WINDOWS folder. It may be C:\WINDOWS or C:\WINNT or C:
may be a different drive letter. I'm going to refer to %windir% and
C:\WINDOWS as the same thing in this post.

Try this...
Start | Run | Type or paste: %windir% | Click OK |

What folder opens???

You can highlight the path in the Address Window, right click and select
Copy. Paste that info into a message.

The *.dll files should be located in
C:\WINDOWS\system32
and
C:\WINDOWS\system32\dllcache
not in the registry.

Paste or type this in the Start | Run box:

%windir%\system32

Click OK.

Does a system32 folder open?

Go to this site. You have to download an ActiveX control to verify that
your copy of XP is legit. It should contain all the missing *.dll files.
BTW, I got to this link from one of the others that I posted about (BITS)
2.0. You do _not_ need BITS to be running. All you need are IE and a legit
copy of XP.

Update for Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS) 2.0 and WinHTTP
5.1 (KB842773)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...b1-ba43-480f-983d-eb19368f9047&displaylang=en

If you didn't have a %windir% you would not be running Windows XP.

The system sounds are located in %windir%\Media Paste that in the Start |
Run box, see if you have the media folder.

..Net Framework is not needed for a lot things. .Net Framework is an option
that is installed with Windows XP by default. I do not have .Net Framework.
I have removed it.

BITS does _not_ need .Net Framework. Windows Update does _not_ need .Net
Framework.

There are no Microsoft folders for XP. C:\Windows or C:\WINNTis where XP
lives.

mscorwks.dll is Microsoft .NET Runtime Common Language Runtime -
WorkStation. I do not believe that this is dependant on the Workstation
service. It's used if your machine is a Workstation.

MSCorSvr.dll is Microsoft .NET Runtime Common Language Runtime - Server.
This file is used if your machine were a Server.
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Some things to think about a Repair Install.

In the mean time, you can read this over. Read the _whole_ thing!!!!!!

[[Please check out the warning links before attempting the Repair Install.
It is very important that you follow the suggestions to prevent data loss
listed in the Warning #1.]]
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm#Warning1

[[...you can use an OEM XP Pro or Home ...to perform a Repair Install. OEM
Restore disks will not work for the Repair Install.]]
How to Perform a Windows XP Repair Install
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm


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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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Wesley said:
Frank,

We may be able to fix some things, but it sounds like you have a lot of
messed up items.

I have not answered all of your questions. Lets take a few things at a
time. :-)

Did you use Advanced Search to search for Hidden Or System Files?

Of course I did. ;-)

While I'm checking thru the items you've suggested, wish to clarify
that only a few issues are involved, I've just hoped to err on the side
of being informative at the outset by describing anything else note
that may/may not bear on them. A lot of text can appear to wrongly
increase the scope of a situ. I've not hoped to take us down other
rabbit trails by so typing.

I've referred to the missing "Microsft" directory because it is the
path of the cited error & missing file. I've not mistaken it for a
Windows directory or subdirectory. It's likely this directory was
originally installed by .NET Framework and/or an update to same as
that's what its remnants are full of. I doubt I've ever needed this
add-on, nor have I ever manually set it up or invoked it - I have only
one minor app which requires it (a custom install utility) that I could
live without. It's quizzical why a file or files from it are suddenly
being called while clicking on Help items, but it's not some major
problem. If this whole sidetrack is irrelevant to what we are
purusuing, then I couldn't care less whether I have .Net Framework or
whatever else may have resided in the "Microsoft" directory (apparently
it actually existed) or not. ;-) In this context, the .NET Framework
error is just a new annoyance I'd like to get rid of. Hope this
simplifies somewhat.

If of any further clarification, my only use/need of XP is on a
standalone laptop for wireless or wired DHCP-assigned i-net access,
some dialup, and light-duty audio & video production. So there are
already many unnecessary local services I disable or put on manual,
Wes. BITS was one of these, as it proved to greatly slow down startup
after boot is completed on this machine.

ISTM we have an obvious issue with missing reg items related to BITS,
as per my last. I.e., the inability to unload & reload those keys you
listed, if they are essential to BITS. I'll go through/perform the
rest of what you've kindly posted, & report. TY for the clarification
of the BITS update.

BstRgds,
frank
 
frank,

Uninstall .NET Framework. You can reinstall it later or get a newer version
if you really want it. Uninstall instructions later in this post.

Go here...

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...b1-ba43-480f-983d-eb19368f9047&displaylang=en

Update for Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS) 2.0 and WinHTTP
5.1 (KB842773)

This software updates the Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS) to
v2.0 and updates WinHTTP. These updates help ensure an optimal download
experience with future versions of Automatic Updates, Windows Update, and
other programs that rely on BITS to transfer files using idle network
bandwidth.

Instructions
This download is available running genuine Microsoft Windows. Click Continue
in the Validation Recommended section above to begin the short validation
process. Once validated, you will be returned to this page with specific
instructions for obtaining the download.

+++++

[[Error:
..NET Framework Initialization Error: C:\WINDOWS\ Microsoft.NET\Framework\v
1.1.4322\Mscorwks.dll could not be loaded

Translation:
Microsoft’s .NET Framework is software designed to help PCs connect to one
another, and many programs rely on it. If something goes wrong with your
..NET installation, you’ll have trouble. Each version of the .NET Framework
is largely incompatible with the last, so this is a rare case where
upgrading isn’t necessarily a good idea.

Solution:
If this error happens on a home PC and you know you don’t need the .NET
Framework installed, click Start, expand Settings, click Control Panel, and
double-click Add/Remove Programs. In Windows XP click Start and Control
Panel and double-click Add Or Remove Programs. Scroll down the list until
you find the entry for the .NET Framework and uninstall it. If an important
program on your PC requires the .NET Framework in order to run, visit
http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework and download the necessary version.
To find older versions, such as 1.0, expand the Previous Versions link on
the left, expand the entry for the version you want to download, and click
Technology Updates. Links appear that let you download the software and any
necessary Service Packs.]]

http://www.smartcomputing.com/techsupport/detail.aspx?guid=&ErrorID=22283

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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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Seems the MS Update site now is demanding one d/l & install the new
Automatic Update s/w before the site will do anything. This means
turning BITS back on & dubbing around, etc. Besides, on this box BITS
won't start anyway at present (error 1058 & I couldn't care less though
I really don't know why it won't start; BITS causes long startup delays
on this box & is disabled), so d/l-ing the "new update s/w
installation" is impossible.

Q: Is there a simple way to just use the site to scan for all missing
updates & just manually select/install as before - without getting
shortstopped by this "install the new autoupdate software" wall?


You can manually get all your updates here
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

This is not the same as the windows update. It is quite different.
 
Wesley said:
frank,

Uninstall .NET Framework.

I would've at the outset, Wes, had it appeared in the uninstaller. It
doesn't, possibly due to it's missing directory structure(?), so to
remove it I'll have to seek out & ID all it's components/remnants. A
nebulous idea having no way to identify all its components, yes? Or?
FAIK it may have 1,000 registry keys. ;-)

Seems a lot of apps don't make it into the Add/Remove Programs utility,
btw. EX: A Net Framework dependent installation app recently
installed also doesn't appear there.

Still going at the items last posted & will rpt accordingly; I'm
evaluating whether to attempt a repair install and/or the other BITS
items you pointed out. Kindly add in the interim if you know another
practical way to uninstall the sucker. ;-)

It remains a mystery why unrelated apps like Help began calling for it.
BstRgds,
frank
 
Frank,

Just because Windows XP has the Add or Remove Programs feature it doesn't
mean your application will appear in the list.

Some items are hidden from Add or Remove Programs intentionally.

[[The simplest, safest and recommended way to uninstall an application is
via 'Add/Remove Programs' (in Control Panel).

Some applications (particularly older ones) do not create an entry in the
'Add/Remove Programs' list, but instead create an "uninstall" or "remove"
shortcut in the Start > Program Groups menu.

The remainder of these notes are intended only if you have tried the above,
and the application will not uninstall.]]

How to manually uninstall an application
http://www.cryer.co.uk/brian/windows/howto_manually_uninstall.htm

Uninstall Programs Manually
http://www.theeldergeek.com/manually_uninstall_programs.htm

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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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That is the old version (version 4) of Windows Update.

XP used to use that version, XP now uses version 5.

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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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Wesley Vogel said:
That is the old version (version 4) of Windows Update.
XP used to use that version, XP now uses version 5.

this is true, BUT to get to "the catalog" you need to go thru the v4 site,
the v5 site doesn't let ya do it (actually it does, it directs you to the
v4 site!).
You can manually get all your updates here
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

This is not the same as the windows update. It is quite different.

just put the above url into IE (yes, must be IE) and click "Find updates
for Microsoft Windows operating systems" to display the list of updates
you can download and archive to CD.
 
Wesley said:
The remainder of these notes are intended only if you have tried the above,
and the application will not uninstall.]]

After going over all you'd posted & evaluating the situ, I decided to
do a repair install, and just did.

It's a good thing I have linux or I wldn't be able to post. ;-)

- it _appears_ to have saved the original config, insofar as it wants
my old logon ID & psswd. Beyond this I know nothing yet because:

- none of the repair install instruction sites mentioned that
_immediate_ product activation (re-activation?) would be required in
order to log on at all. The activation utility will not use an
internal wireless ntwk card (sickness!) - something else that wld be
wise to warn folks about. Since my only way of communicating is by
wifi (no phone either, I'm in a remote area), I have no clue how to
even check the results of the repair install (other than looking at its
file structure from linux), let alone reactivate it. Suggestion?

- if I am able to travel (far!) to where I may use hardwired ethernet,
will MS accept this same product code for activation (reactivation)?

Also, while considering & preparing for the repair install, I initially
decided to make a slipstreamed SP2 CD & take the plunge to do it all in
one whack. HWVR:

- it isn't clear from the several slipstreaming instruction sites
whether one may do this with an XP CD which is already integrated with
SP1, which mine is. Is this possible? (for info only at this point)

- I decided to try the abv anyway using the procedure on "Paul's" site
which is given by Micheal's site you'd posted, and found that the
commandline he gives for integrating the files is not recognized &
executed by XP's cmd interpreter. Specifically, the initial part of
the string which is "xpsp2.exe" or similar is taken by XP to be the
command (instead of the "integrate" cmd) & is not recognized. Maybe
you/Michael wld like to know this.

Once I'm past the reactivation hurdle I'll know if I have any
significant issues left.

I plan to install SP2 once I can log on (and take all my pain at
once<g>). Q: rptdly there is an SP2 hotfix which prevents a wifi card
from working in open (non WEP) mode & which requires disabling. Is
this an "update" to SP2 I may avoid, or it is something I must somehow
locate _within_ the 272mb SP2 I downloaded, and deal with before I can
communicate (again) after installing SP2?

Much TIA/Rgds,
frank
 
Wesley said:
The remainder of these notes are intended only if you have tried the above,
and the application will not uninstall.]]

After going over all you'd posted & evaluating the situ, I decided to
do a repair install, and just did.

It's a good thing I have linux or I wldn't be able to post. ;-)

- it _appears_ to have saved the original config, insofar as it wants
my old logon ID & psswd. Beyond this I know nothing yet because:

- none of the repair install instruction sites mentioned that
_immediate_ product activation (re-activation?) would be required in
order to log on at all. The activation utility will not use an
internal wireless ntwk card (sickness!) - something else that wld be
wise to warn folks about. Since my only way of communicating is by
wifi (no phone either, I'm in a remote area), I have no clue how to
even check the results of the repair install (other than looking at its
file structure from linux), let alone reactivate it. Suggestion?

- if I am able to travel (far!) to where I may use hardwired ethernet,
will MS accept this same product code for activation (reactivation)?

Also, while considering & preparing for the repair install, I initially
decided to make a slipstreamed SP2 CD & take the plunge to do it all in
one whack. HWVR:

- it isn't clear from the several slipstreaming instruction sites
whether one may do this with an XP CD which is already integrated with
SP1, which mine is. Is this possible? (for info only at this point)

- I decided to try the abv anyway using the procedure on "Paul's" site
which is given by Micheal's site you'd posted, and found that the
commandline he gives for integrating the files is not recognized &
executed by XP's cmd interpreter. Specifically, the initial part of
the string which is "xpsp2.exe" or similar is taken by XP to be the
command (instead of the "integrate" cmd) & is not recognized. Maybe
you/Michael wld like to know this.

Once I'm past the reactivation hurdle I'll know if I have any
significant issues left.

I plan to install SP2 once I can log on (and take all my pain at
once<g>). Q: rptdly there is an SP2 hotfix which prevents a wifi card
from working in open (non WEP) mode & which requires disabling. Is
this an "update" to SP2 I may avoid, or it is something I must somehow
locate _within_ the 272mb SP2 I downloaded, and deal with before I can
communicate (again) after installing SP2?

Much TIA/Rgds,
frank
 

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