AMDX2 said:How do you share the entire hard drigve in win xp? i have them shared,
but from other pcs it still says no permission. i have right click,
sharing and security, just enable filesharing. users can change files
is checked as well etc.
Malke said:XP Home or Pro? Combination on the different machines?
Peer-to-peer Workgroup or domain?
General information blurb about networking issues:
This is most commonly caused by a misconfigured firewall. Run the
Network Setup Wizard on both computers, making sure to enable File &
Printer Sharing, and reboot. The only "gotcha" is that this will turn
on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party
firewall or have an antivirus with "Internet Worm Protection" (like
Norton 2005/06) which acts as a firewall, then you're fine. If you have
third-party firewall software, configure it to allow the Local Area
Network traffic as trusted. I usually do this with my firewalls with an
IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would
substitute your correct subnet.
If one or more of the computers is XP Pro:
a. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off
Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user
accounts/passwords on all computers.
b. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the
Simple File Sharing enabled.
Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means
that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its
resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it
matters in your situation.
Then create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share
folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the
Shared Documents folder.
If that doesn't work for you, here is an excellent network
troubleshooter by MVP Hans-Georg Michna. Take the time to go through it
and it will usually pinpoint the problem area(s) -
http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm
Malke
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AMDX2 said:Firewall is off on all pcs as there's no need when I'm behind my
internet security appliance. All is WORKGROUP.
I can see pcs fine, just not open folders because of the stupid ass no
permission even though the drives are totally open and shared as much
as possiblle. home and pro are the same for making your hard drive or
a folder shared. i dont see how there would ever be a difference. but
im talking pro.
Malke said:Home and Pro are not the same since Home only offers Simple Sharing
(guest) and Pro allows you to disable guest. Make sure all your
computers are using the same setting for Simple Sharing. I always
disable Simple Sharing since guest is a security hole and I have a
mixed OS network. Since you have a peer-to-peer Workgroup, create
identical user accounts/passwords on all machines.
Right-click on your C drive. Do not try and share an administrative
share (C$). Instead, click the New Share button and create a new share
such as "computer_nameC". Set permissions accordingly, making sure that
Everyone has the control you wish to permit.
This works just fine on my XP Pro boxen.
Malke
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Malke said:You are misunderstanding user accounts in a multi-user operating system
such as XP. You always have the built-in Administrator account. You
then set up as many user accounts with whatever privileges you want. If
you want to do networking successfully in a Workgroup, you make
identical user accounts on each machine and you assign passwords. You
can always set XP to boot automatically to your desired account if you
want. You don't need to be logged into the same user account on each
machine in order to share resources as long as the user/password
requesting resources exists on the target machine. Workgroup computers
authenticate either by allowing guest access (as discussed previously)
or by checking to see if the user exists on the local system.
So, let us start again.
1. Create identical user accounts/passwords on all computers.
2. Make sure the Simple Sharing setting matches. For simplicity if all
computers are XP Pro, disable this. You will find the setting in Folder
Options>View.
3. If desired, set computers to log in automatically to desired account.
Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm
4. Unshare everything on all computers and reboot. Now create a share,
say "computer_nameD", make sure Everyone has full permissions. If all
computers are on the same subnet (ex. 192.168.1.xxx) you will be able
to share files.
If you are still having difficulties, either take the time to go through
MVP Hans-Georg Michna's network troubleshooter as previously suggested:
http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm
or have a local professional come on-site and set you up. You are doing
something wrong and without being able to see you or your machines, it
is difficult to pinpoint the issue.
I understand that you are frustrated, but there is nothing "stupid ass"
about the ability to set permissions in XP; it works just fine. If you
are too agitated to go on with this today, be smart and go do something
you like instead. You will not cause the heat death of the Universe if
you don't get your shares done today. ;-)
Malke
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AMDX2 said:Simple sharing was on on one pc and i totally thought I disabled that.
guuess not. to auto log in a user i didn't know of right now since
I've not done that in so long I've totally forgotten. Right now one pc
is vista beta 2 and the other is xp pro. on the pc that has vista beta
2 is also xp pro on another hard drive, so i can dual boot. I think i
fixed it by disable simple sharing and re sharing drives and doing the
new share plus clicking permissions to give everyone full access. i
just forgot about the simple sharing.
i wasn't agitated or anything, just thought the multiple user thing is
stupid since I'm the only user and this has worked always before
without me having to create a user since xp says joe already has
access which is always my user account in xp. but in the past I've
always stopped simple sharing.
I've re did the sharing now on my xp pc so I'm going to try it and
report back what happens.
Malke said:So, now we find out that 1) you had a setting wrong; and 2) one of the
machines is using a beta operating system. This does not represent
"stupid ass sharing" on the part of the operating systems involved.
For help with the *beta* operating system Vista, post in one of the
newsgroups set up for it. There are public newsgroups hosted on
msnews.microsoft.com for the new *beta* OS. If you continue to have
difficulties sharing between an XP machine and a Vista machine, use the
Vista newsgroups to explore the solutions and/or workarounds.
Windows XP (and Vista) are modern multi-user operating systems that are
scalable, just like all other modern operating systems available today
such as OSX, Linux, and Unix.
Malke
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