How do I delete a directory that is part of a "thicket"?

[Guest]

I have somehow corupted my web site so that additional directories were
created containing page names with "_files" added to them. When I try to
delete these directories, I am told that I cannot, that I have to make
changes to the web page because this is part of a "thicket". When I search
Frontpage help for "thicket", nothing comes up at all.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

On Sept 2 RONX posted this regarding thicket files:


"These are thicket files, and are normally hidden in FrontPage. It is
unusual to see them .

When you save a Word document, an Excel document, or a PowerPoint
presentation as a Web page that uses an .htm or html extension, a main
HTML file is created in addition to a folder that contains supporting
files for the Web page. The folder uses the same name as the HTML file
of the Web page, in the form pagename_files. This page/folder
combination is known as a thicket.

A thicket is also created when VML graphics are used in a web page.
VML graphics are created when using FP Drawing Objects, text boxes (do
not confuse with any form fields) and Word Art.

Thickets are always hidden in FrontPage, and always appear to be
manipulated as a single object.

In Windows Explorer, you can control how thickets are manipulated:

Tools->Folder Options
On the View Tag, look for "Managing pairs of Web Pages and Folders"
and pick an option."






|I have somehow corupted my web site so that additional directories were
| created containing page names with "_files" added to them. When I try to
| delete these directories, I am told that I cannot, that I have to make
| changes to the web page because this is part of a "thicket". When I search
| Frontpage help for "thicket", nothing comes up at all.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for your reply.

Can you tell me why the thicket files are appearing in my Frontpage display
now, when they never have before? Also, the more critical problem to me is
that code referring to the vml continues to be rewritten into my html files,
even after I go through the file and delete it. I do not want this code in
my web pages. I don't see how any settings in Explorer are going to effect
the code that is written into my pages.

Thanks for your help!

Dick

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

If you have VML code in your pages, you can't just delete it in Code View, you must delete the
object that create it from your pages in Normal/Design View.

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[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

vml comes from wordart, autoshapes, textboxes (not forms textbox) stuff made
with the draw toolbar...or can come from importing pages with images created
in Word.


| Thanks for your reply.
|
| Can you tell me why the thicket files are appearing in my Frontpage
display
| now, when they never have before? Also, the more critical problem to me
is
| that code referring to the vml continues to be rewritten into my html
files,
| even after I go through the file and delete it. I do not want this code
in
| my web pages. I don't see how any settings in Explorer are going to
effect
| the code that is written into my pages.
|
| Thanks for your help!
|
| Dick
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > On Sept 2 RONX posted this regarding thicket files:
| >
| >
| > "These are thicket files, and are normally hidden in FrontPage. It is
| > unusual to see them .
| >
| > When you save a Word document, an Excel document, or a PowerPoint
| > presentation as a Web page that uses an .htm or html extension, a main
| > HTML file is created in addition to a folder that contains supporting
| > files for the Web page. The folder uses the same name as the HTML file
| > of the Web page, in the form pagename_files. This page/folder
| > combination is known as a thicket.
| >
| > A thicket is also created when VML graphics are used in a web page.
| > VML graphics are created when using FP Drawing Objects, text boxes (do
| > not confuse with any form fields) and Word Art.
| >
| > Thickets are always hidden in FrontPage, and always appear to be
| > manipulated as a single object.
| >
| > In Windows Explorer, you can control how thickets are manipulated:
| >
| > Tools->Folder Options
| > On the View Tag, look for "Managing pairs of Web Pages and Folders"
| > and pick an option."
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > |I have somehow corupted my web site so that additional directories were
| > | created containing page names with "_files" added to them. When I try
to
| > | delete these directories, I am told that I cannot, that I have to make
| > | changes to the web page because this is part of a "thicket". When I
search
| > | Frontpage help for "thicket", nothing comes up at all.
| >
| >
| >

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the reply.

I apparently created this problem when I uploaded a page created by
Publisher to my web site. I am not using that page, because it was not a
satisfactory appearance for me, but this effect seems to have propagated
itself throughout my site to other pages. My problem is tracking down the
offending object and finding out how to delete it.

When I go to pages that should not have been effected by my uploading the
Publisher file, and find the code that is messing up my site, I can't seem to
figure out where to go to get rid of it. I have deleted the code and saved
the file and seen that the code was reinserted into the file, so it is clear
that I have not found and deleted the appropriate object or code at this
oint. My problem is that I just don't know where it is or what I have to do
to get rid of it.

I was trying to delete the directories, thinking that they were reinstating
tehe code, but FP would not let me do that. That is where I encountered the
word "thicket", which I cannot find anywhere in the Help system, no reference
to it at all!

Thanks again,

Dick

 

[Ronx]

If you are using FP2003, open an offending page in code view, then
Tools->Optimise HTML
and tick the box "Delete VML Content"

This should delete all VML objects from the page.
However, you will need to use Windows Explorer (for the local web) to
copy the *_files folders to a backup (just in case) and delete them
from the website - this will be difficult in FrontPage. When deleted,
open FrontPage and run Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.

The thicket folders will also hold images and files associated with
any other pages produced from other Office applications, not just VML
imagery, hence the backup.

In Windows Explorer, use Tools->Folder Options - View tag
Scroll down to Managing pairs of Web pages and folders
Select "Show both parts and manage them individually"

 

[Guest]

Thanks very much. I will give that a try. I am using Frontpage 2002 at the
moment. Hope it will work there.

Dick

 

[Ronx]

FP2002 does not have an Optimise HTML option, nor does it have an
option to delete VML (if I remember correctly).