Help, nav bar question

G

Guest

OK I must have this all wrong so hopefully someone can point me in the right
direction.
I am trying to figure out how to build a navigation bar. Tutorials I went
through explained the shared borders and also how to set up a navigation
structiure, which I did.
I might be doing this the wrong way, but I have graphics already designed
for each page. The pages share a vertical nav bar. I thought the correct
way to design a page was to put it in a table. So I pictured each page
being built on a two column table, with the nav bar on the left and each page
pieced together in the colunm on the right. So I picture the left colunn
(with the nav bar) being the shared area.
WHen I set up shared borders, it takes sets that up outside of the table.
So I must be doing that wrong.
I also don't know how to add the graphics buttons to the shared borders
area.. When I tried to do that, they weren't held together like in the
table, and had space between them.
Can someone please point me in the right direction? It seems that I am way
off track here.
Thanks
 
R

Ronx

If you are using FrontPage 2003 I would advise using a Dynamic Web
Template (DWT) instead of shared borders. Your two column table
approach will work perfectly in a DWT.

With shared borders, FrontPage will contruct the table for you. Set up
a page and add the left shared border. (Format->Shared Borders and tick
left box, but do not tick Navigation since you are using your own - the
navigation view is used in conjunction with a theme. You could
customise a theme to use your graphics.)
In the left shared border area insert a single column, single row table.
The link buttons go into this table. If the buttons separate, post
the code for the navigation table here.
 
G

Guest

Thanks
It's FP 2000.
I added the column and the buttons did separate. Everything should fit
tightly together - I jjust cut up my psd layers into slices for each page.
How would I go about posting the code here?
 
G

Guest

Oh wait, I see where it is.
Here's the code. (I'm typing this in since this is a different computer)

<html>

<head>
<neta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=windows-1252">
<meta name "GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name "ProgId" content ="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>NewPage 4</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="1, default">
</head>

<body>

</body>

</html>
 
G

Guest

Thanks for your help you guys - I'm overwhelmed with gratitude.
(wipes away tear)
 
T

Tom Willett

I am very disappointed you didn't leave any of these replies in this post so
we'd know what you're referring to.

And, with such a meaninful subject such as "help...anybody?", it's not
unusual for people not to bother reading the post.

Maybe taking a look at this will help your post get noticed and answered:

How to ask a newsgroup question:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
--
===
Tom Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
|I must say after the last three replies I am very disappointed in this
board.
 
G

Guest

Hello Tom,
The title of the thread actually refers to a nav bar question and the
difficulty I was having figuring out putting my page together.
I appreciated the reply of the person who originally answered the post, and
as requested, the buttons were separating and I posted the code. The person
hadn't posted back yet, and I thought perhaps the thread had slipped into
obscurity. I then posted to see if anyone was still out there, and there
were three one-or two word replies that did not address the issues about
which I originally posted. I"m not a web designer, I'm a graphics and video
person - and I'm simply trying to get my page together to make it possible to
market my business. I was very disappointed to see three Front Page people
basically say - yep, we're here, but offer no help at all.
I rely on a lot of tech boards for various subjects and have always found
them helpful and respectful until now.
 
C

cschiller1

Perhaps you don't know how to use newsgroups like this one. You do not
really expect people to remember the contents of the original thread
without your quoting it, do you? But that's exactly what you did. So
when you post a message like "Is anybody out there?", you get exactly
the responses that kind of posting deserves.

As Tom suggested, you may want to check on ways to ask questions that
will assist you in getting more useful answers to your questions.
 
G

Guest

I don't usually post to newsgroups so perhaps that is the protocol. I
usually pot to a regular discussion board. When I read a thread in a
discussion board, unless it is a very long thread, I usually go to the first
post to see what the topic or question is so I know what I am addressing.
And typically I don't quote people unless it is a few posts back - it tends
to make threads very long - the assumption is that they will see the post
right before mine when they view mine, or that if they have come into the
thread in the first place, they have looked to see what the original question
is. There were only four posts in the thread when I asked the question
-three were mine - it did not occur to me that I had to quote myself by
reposting it.

Now with all due respect, I came here with a lweb page question, not to get
into a flame war. I'm sure all of us have better things to do. So I have a
new question: is there anybody out there who would be willing to guide me to
where I need to be - or what I need to know - in putting this page together?
I would be very appreciative of their assistance.
Thank you
 
T

Trevor L.

RV said:
I don't usually post to newsgroups so perhaps that is the protocol. I
usually pot to a regular discussion board. When I read a thread in a
discussion board, unless it is a very long thread, I usually go to
the first post to see what the topic or question is so I know what I
am addressing. And typically I don't quote people unless it is a few
posts back - it tends to make threads very long - the assumption is
that they will see the post right before mine when they view mine,
or that if they have come into the thread in the first place, they
have looked to see what the original question is. There were only
four posts in the thread when I asked the question -three were mine -
it did not occur to me that I had to quote myself by reposting it.

Yes, I can understand

I use Outlook Express as my newsreader, and unless someone breaks the thread
by changing the subject and/or reposting it (NOT as a reply), I can see
everything. There are often what seem to be obscure one word answers, but
because the thread is there, I can follow it

But, and here's the big BUT, many others don't use OE and/or they have
certain settings which delete old threads, etc.
Now with all due respect, I came here with a lweb page question, not
to get into a flame war. I'm sure all of us have better things to
do.

I hope that I am not contributing to the flame war. I just wanted to explain
why some people may have answered as they did.

BTW, I saw the post "Is anybody there?" and I didn't know what it was about
either. Maybe it wasn't part of the same thread, or I deleted the earlier
parts of the thread myself, so I didn't understand the context.
So I have a new question: is there anybody out there who would
be willing to guide me to where I need to be - or what I need to know
- in putting this page together? I would be very appreciative of
their assistance.

O.K.
As to the new question

I am sorry, but it might help everyone if you were to post it again - just
paste your original, no need to retype it

I may not be able to help (I wil certainly try if I can), but at least then
others will be at the same level of understanding.

--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
[ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
MVPS Website: http://trevorl.mvps.org/
----------------------------------------
 
G

Guest

Hi,
I didn't realize some people can't see the entire thread so that would make
sense.
I assumed that people were being sarcastic when I asked "is anybody there"
and all that came back was 'yup." - i.e. "yeah we're here, but we're not
going to answer your question - good luck figuring that out. And don't you
know how to post?"

I'll paste the earlier posts here - but the question basically comes down to
this; Can someone put me on the right track to building the basic page
structure? Currrently I have a psd document which I cut up into slices that
fit neatly together, save for the text areas. I want to create a basic nav
bar setup on the left side of the page from graphic buttons.

Thanks for your help - here are the posts.
__________________________________________________________________

Orig. Post:
Question
OK I must have this all wrong so hopefully someone can point me in the
right
direction.
I am trying to figure out how to build a navigation bar. Tutorials I went
through explained the shared borders and also how to set up a navigation
structiure, which I did.
I might be doing this the wrong way, but I have graphics already designed
for each page. The pages share a vertical nav bar. I thought the correct
way to design a page was to put it in a table. So I pictured each page
being built on a two column table, with the nav bar on the left and each page
pieced together in the colunm on the right. So I picture the left colunn
(with the nav bar) being the shared area.
WHen I set up shared borders, it takes sets that up outside of the table.
So I must be doing that wrong.
I also don't know how to add the graphics buttons to the shared borders
area.. When I tried to do that, they weren't held together like in the
table, and had space between them.
Can someone please point me in the right direction? It seems that I am way
off track here.

-------------------------

Post 2 (Thanks very much to Ron)
If you are using FrontPage 2003 I would advise using a Dynamic Web
Template (DWT) instead of shared borders. Your two column table
approach will work perfectly in a DWT.

With shared borders, FrontPage will contruct the table for you. Set up
a page and add the left shared border. (Format->Shared Borders and tick
left box, but do not tick Navigation since you are using your own - the
navigation view is used in conjunction with a theme. You could
customise a theme to use your graphics.)
In the left shared border area insert a single column, single row table.
The link buttons go into this table. If the buttons separate, post
the code for the navigation table here.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
Thanks

----------------------------------------

Post 3
Thanks
It's FP 2000.
I added the column and the buttons did separate. Everything should fit
tightly together - I jjust cut up my psd layers into slices for each page.
How would I go about posting the code here?

Post 4
Oh wait, I see where it is.
Here's the code. (I'm typing this in since this is a different computer)

<html>

<head>
<neta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=windows-1252">
<meta name "GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name "ProgId" content ="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>NewPage 4</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="1, default">
</head>

<body>

</body>

</html>

___________________________________________________________

Trevor L. said:
RV said:
I don't usually post to newsgroups so perhaps that is the protocol. I
usually pot to a regular discussion board. When I read a thread in a
discussion board, unless it is a very long thread, I usually go to
the first post to see what the topic or question is so I know what I
am addressing. And typically I don't quote people unless it is a few
posts back - it tends to make threads very long - the assumption is
that they will see the post right before mine when they view mine,
or that if they have come into the thread in the first place, they
have looked to see what the original question is. There were only
four posts in the thread when I asked the question -three were mine -
it did not occur to me that I had to quote myself by reposting it.

Yes, I can understand

I use Outlook Express as my newsreader, and unless someone breaks the thread
by changing the subject and/or reposting it (NOT as a reply), I can see
everything. There are often what seem to be obscure one word answers, but
because the thread is there, I can follow it

But, and here's the big BUT, many others don't use OE and/or they have
certain settings which delete old threads, etc.
Now with all due respect, I came here with a lweb page question, not
to get into a flame war. I'm sure all of us have better things to
do.

I hope that I am not contributing to the flame war. I just wanted to explain
why some people may have answered as they did.

BTW, I saw the post "Is anybody there?" and I didn't know what it was about
either. Maybe it wasn't part of the same thread, or I deleted the earlier
parts of the thread myself, so I didn't understand the context.
So I have a new question: is there anybody out there who would
be willing to guide me to where I need to be - or what I need to know
- in putting this page together? I would be very appreciative of
their assistance.

O.K.
As to the new question

I am sorry, but it might help everyone if you were to post it again - just
paste your original, no need to retype it

I may not be able to help (I wil certainly try if I can), but at least then
others will be at the same level of understanding.

--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
[ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
MVPS Website: http://trevorl.mvps.org/
 
R

Ronx

You will need to post the code for the navigation - this can be found in
_borders folder.
If _borders is not visible, then tools->Web (or site) settings -
advanced tag and tick the box "show hidden files and folders"
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp



Hi,
I didn't realize some people can't see the entire thread so that would make
sense.
I assumed that people were being sarcastic when I asked "is anybody there"
and all that came back was 'yup." - i.e. "yeah we're here, but we're not
going to answer your question - good luck figuring that out. And don't you
know how to post?"

I'll paste the earlier posts here - but the question basically comes down to
this; Can someone put me on the right track to building the basic page
structure? Currrently I have a psd document which I cut up into slices that
fit neatly together, save for the text areas. I want to create a basic nav
bar setup on the left side of the page from graphic buttons.

Thanks for your help - here are the posts.
__________________________________________________________________

Orig. Post:
Question
OK I must have this all wrong so hopefully someone can point me in the
right
direction.
I am trying to figure out how to build a navigation bar. Tutorials I went
through explained the shared borders and also how to set up a navigation
structiure, which I did.
I might be doing this the wrong way, but I have graphics already designed
for each page. The pages share a vertical nav bar. I thought the correct
way to design a page was to put it in a table. So I pictured each page
being built on a two column table, with the nav bar on the left and each page
pieced together in the colunm on the right. So I picture the left colunn
(with the nav bar) being the shared area.
WHen I set up shared borders, it takes sets that up outside of the table.
So I must be doing that wrong.
I also don't know how to add the graphics buttons to the shared borders
area.. When I tried to do that, they weren't held together like in the
table, and had space between them.
Can someone please point me in the right direction? It seems that I am way
off track here.

-------------------------

Post 2 (Thanks very much to Ron)
If you are using FrontPage 2003 I would advise using a Dynamic Web
Template (DWT) instead of shared borders. Your two column table
approach will work perfectly in a DWT.

With shared borders, FrontPage will contruct the table for you. Set up
a page and add the left shared border. (Format->Shared Borders and tick
left box, but do not tick Navigation since you are using your own - the
navigation view is used in conjunction with a theme. You could
customise a theme to use your graphics.)
In the left shared border area insert a single column, single row table.
The link buttons go into this table. If the buttons separate, post
the code for the navigation table here.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
Thanks

----------------------------------------

Post 3
Thanks
It's FP 2000.
I added the column and the buttons did separate. Everything should fit
tightly together - I jjust cut up my psd layers into slices for each page.
How would I go about posting the code here?

Post 4
Oh wait, I see where it is.
Here's the code. (I'm typing this in since this is a different computer)

<html>

<head>
<neta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=windows-1252">
<meta name "GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name "ProgId" content ="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>NewPage 4</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="1, default">
</head>

<body>

</body>

</html>

___________________________________________________________

Trevor L. said:
RV said:
I don't usually post to newsgroups so perhaps that is the protocol. I
usually pot to a regular discussion board. When I read a thread in a
discussion board, unless it is a very long thread, I usually go to
the first post to see what the topic or question is so I know what I
am addressing. And typically I don't quote people unless it is a few
posts back - it tends to make threads very long - the assumption is
that they will see the post right before mine when they view mine,
or that if they have come into the thread in the first place, they
have looked to see what the original question is. There were only
four posts in the thread when I asked the question -three were mine -
it did not occur to me that I had to quote myself by reposting it.

Yes, I can understand

I use Outlook Express as my newsreader, and unless someone breaks the thread
by changing the subject and/or reposting it (NOT as a reply), I can see
everything. There are often what seem to be obscure one word answers, but
because the thread is there, I can follow it

But, and here's the big BUT, many others don't use OE and/or they have
certain settings which delete old threads, etc.
Now with all due respect, I came here with a lweb page question, not
to get into a flame war. I'm sure all of us have better things to
do.

I hope that I am not contributing to the flame war. I just wanted to explain
why some people may have answered as they did.

BTW, I saw the post "Is anybody there?" and I didn't know what it was about
either. Maybe it wasn't part of the same thread, or I deleted the earlier
parts of the thread myself, so I didn't understand the context.
So I have a new question: is there anybody out there who would
be willing to guide me to where I need to be - or what I need to know
- in putting this page together? I would be very appreciative of
their assistance.

O.K.
As to the new question

I am sorry, but it might help everyone if you were to post it again - just
paste your original, no need to retype it

I may not be able to help (I wil certainly try if I can), but at least then
others will be at the same level of understanding.

--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
[ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
MVPS Website: http://trevorl.mvps.org/
 
G

Guest

Hi, here it is

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>Shared Left Border</title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
</head>

<body>

<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight%20final/Menu%20bar/Buttons%20unselected/menu-bar-unselected_01.jpg" width="230" height="70"></p>
<p align="left"><img border="0"
src="../Roselight%20final/Menu%20bar/Buttons%20unselected/menu-bar-unselected_03.jpg" width="230" height="63"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight%20final/Menu%20bar/Buttons%20unselected/menu-bar-unselected_05.jpg" width="230" height="74"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight%20final/Menu%20bar/Buttons%20unselected/menu-bar-unselected_07.jpg" width="230" height="69"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight%20final/Menu%20bar/Buttons%20unselected/menu-bar-unselected_09.jpg" width="230" height="67"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight%20final/Menu%20bar/Buttons%20unselected/menu-bar-unselected_11.jpg" width="230" height="62"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight%20final/Menu%20bar/Buttons%20unselected/menu-bar-unselected_13.jpg" width="230" height="77"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight%20final/Menu%20bar/Buttons%20unselected/menu-bar-unselected_15.jpg" width="230" height="68"></p>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<tr>
<td width="100%"></td>
</tr>
</table>

</body>

</html>


Ronx said:
You will need to post the code for the navigation - this can be found in
_borders folder.
If _borders is not visible, then tools->Web (or site) settings -
advanced tag and tick the box "show hidden files and folders"
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp



Hi,
I didn't realize some people can't see the entire thread so that would make
sense.
I assumed that people were being sarcastic when I asked "is anybody there"
and all that came back was 'yup." - i.e. "yeah we're here, but we're not
going to answer your question - good luck figuring that out. And don't you
know how to post?"

I'll paste the earlier posts here - but the question basically comes down to
this; Can someone put me on the right track to building the basic page
structure? Currrently I have a psd document which I cut up into slices that
fit neatly together, save for the text areas. I want to create a basic nav
bar setup on the left side of the page from graphic buttons.

Thanks for your help - here are the posts.
__________________________________________________________________

Orig. Post:
Question
OK I must have this all wrong so hopefully someone can point me in the
right
direction.
I am trying to figure out how to build a navigation bar. Tutorials I went
through explained the shared borders and also how to set up a navigation
structiure, which I did.
I might be doing this the wrong way, but I have graphics already designed
for each page. The pages share a vertical nav bar. I thought the correct
way to design a page was to put it in a table. So I pictured each page
being built on a two column table, with the nav bar on the left and each page
pieced together in the colunm on the right. So I picture the left colunn
(with the nav bar) being the shared area.
WHen I set up shared borders, it takes sets that up outside of the table.
So I must be doing that wrong.
I also don't know how to add the graphics buttons to the shared borders
area.. When I tried to do that, they weren't held together like in the
table, and had space between them.
Can someone please point me in the right direction? It seems that I am way
off track here.

-------------------------

Post 2 (Thanks very much to Ron)
If you are using FrontPage 2003 I would advise using a Dynamic Web
Template (DWT) instead of shared borders. Your two column table
approach will work perfectly in a DWT.

With shared borders, FrontPage will contruct the table for you. Set up
a page and add the left shared border. (Format->Shared Borders and tick
left box, but do not tick Navigation since you are using your own - the
navigation view is used in conjunction with a theme. You could
customise a theme to use your graphics.)
In the left shared border area insert a single column, single row table.
The link buttons go into this table. If the buttons separate, post
the code for the navigation table here.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
Thanks

----------------------------------------

Post 3
Thanks
It's FP 2000.
I added the column and the buttons did separate. Everything should fit
tightly together - I jjust cut up my psd layers into slices for each page.
How would I go about posting the code here?

Post 4
Oh wait, I see where it is.
Here's the code. (I'm typing this in since this is a different computer)

<html>

<head>
<neta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=windows-1252">
<meta name "GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name "ProgId" content ="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>NewPage 4</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="1, default">
</head>

<body>

</body>

</html>

___________________________________________________________

Trevor L. said:
RV wrote:
I don't usually post to newsgroups so perhaps that is the protocol. I
usually pot to a regular discussion board. When I read a thread in a
discussion board, unless it is a very long thread, I usually go to
the first post to see what the topic or question is so I know what I
am addressing. And typically I don't quote people unless it is a few
posts back - it tends to make threads very long - the assumption is
that they will see the post right before mine when they view mine,
or that if they have come into the thread in the first place, they
have looked to see what the original question is. There were only
four posts in the thread when I asked the question -three were mine -
it did not occur to me that I had to quote myself by reposting it.

Yes, I can understand

I use Outlook Express as my newsreader, and unless someone breaks the thread
by changing the subject and/or reposting it (NOT as a reply), I can see
everything. There are often what seem to be obscure one word answers, but
because the thread is there, I can follow it

But, and here's the big BUT, many others don't use OE and/or they have
certain settings which delete old threads, etc.


Now with all due respect, I came here with a lweb page question, not
to get into a flame war. I'm sure all of us have better things to
do.

I hope that I am not contributing to the flame war. I just wanted to explain
why some people may have answered as they did.

BTW, I saw the post "Is anybody there?" and I didn't know what it was about
either. Maybe it wasn't part of the same thread, or I deleted the earlier
parts of the thread myself, so I didn't understand the context.

So I have a new question: is there anybody out there who would
be willing to guide me to where I need to be - or what I need to know
- in putting this page together? I would be very appreciative of
their assistance.

O.K.
As to the new question

I am sorry, but it might help everyone if you were to post it again - just
paste your original, no need to retype it

I may not be able to help (I wil certainly try if I can), but at least then
others will be at the same level of understanding.

--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
[ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
MVPS Website: http://trevorl.mvps.org/
 
R

Ronx

Change the code in the shared border to:

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=windows-1252">
<title>Shared Left Border</title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
</head>

<body>

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<td valign="top"><img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu
bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_01.jpg" width="230"
height="70"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_03.jpg" width="230" height="63"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_05.jpg" width="230" height="74"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_07.jpg" width="230" height="69"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_09.jpg" width="230" height="67"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_11.jpg" width="230" height="62"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_13.jpg" width="230" height="77"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_15.jpg" width="230" height="68"></td>
</tr>
</table>

</body>

</html>

You should also, in FrontPage, go through all the folder and file names
and remove all spaces - replace them with underlines or hyphens.
FrontPage will correct the links in all pages as you rename the files
and folders. Spaces in file and folder names will break links. There
is an addin named Space Replacer 2 available from
http://www.jimcosoftware.com that will do this for you.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp



Hi, here it is

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>Shared Left Border</title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
</head>

<body>

<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_01.jpg" width="230" height="70"></p>
<p align="left"><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_03.jpg" width="230" height="63"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_05.jpg" width="230" height="74"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_07.jpg" width="230" height="69"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_09.jpg" width="230" height="67"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_11.jpg" width="230" height="62"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_13.jpg" width="230" height="77"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_15.jpg" width="230" height="68"></p>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<tr>
<td width="100%"></td>
</tr>
</table>

</body>

</html>


Ronx said:
You will need to post the code for the navigation - this can be found in
_borders folder.
If _borders is not visible, then tools->Web (or site) settings -
advanced tag and tick the box "show hidden files and folders"
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp



Hi,
I didn't realize some people can't see the entire thread so that would make
sense.
I assumed that people were being sarcastic when I asked "is anybody there"
and all that came back was 'yup." - i.e. "yeah we're here, but we're not
going to answer your question - good luck figuring that out. And don't you
know how to post?"

I'll paste the earlier posts here - but the question basically comes down to
this; Can someone put me on the right track to building the basic page
structure? Currrently I have a psd document which I cut up into slices that
fit neatly together, save for the text areas. I want to create a basic nav
bar setup on the left side of the page from graphic buttons.

Thanks for your help - here are the posts.
__________________________________________________________________

Orig. Post:
Question
OK I must have this all wrong so hopefully someone can point me in the
right
direction.
I am trying to figure out how to build a navigation bar. Tutorials I went
through explained the shared borders and also how to set up a navigation
structiure, which I did.
I might be doing this the wrong way, but I have graphics already designed
for each page. The pages share a vertical nav bar. I thought the correct
way to design a page was to put it in a table. So I pictured each page
being built on a two column table, with the nav bar on the left and each page
pieced together in the colunm on the right. So I picture the left colunn
(with the nav bar) being the shared area.
WHen I set up shared borders, it takes sets that up outside of the table.
So I must be doing that wrong.
I also don't know how to add the graphics buttons to the shared borders
area.. When I tried to do that, they weren't held together like in the
table, and had space between them.
Can someone please point me in the right direction? It seems that I am way
off track here.

-------------------------

Post 2 (Thanks very much to Ron)
If you are using FrontPage 2003 I would advise using a Dynamic Web
Template (DWT) instead of shared borders. Your two column table
approach will work perfectly in a DWT.

With shared borders, FrontPage will contruct the table for you. Set up
a page and add the left shared border. (Format->Shared Borders and tick
left box, but do not tick Navigation since you are using your own - the
navigation view is used in conjunction with a theme. You could
customise a theme to use your graphics.)
In the left shared border area insert a single column, single row table.
The link buttons go into this table. If the buttons separate, post
the code for the navigation table here.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
Thanks

----------------------------------------

Post 3
Thanks
It's FP 2000.
I added the column and the buttons did separate. Everything should fit
tightly together - I jjust cut up my psd layers into slices for each page.
How would I go about posting the code here?

Post 4
Oh wait, I see where it is.
Here's the code. (I'm typing this in since this is a different computer)

<html>

<head>
<neta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=windows-1252">
<meta name "GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name "ProgId" content ="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>NewPage 4</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="1, default">
</head>

<body>

</body>

</html>

___________________________________________________________

:

RV wrote:
I don't usually post to newsgroups so perhaps that is the protocol. I
usually pot to a regular discussion board. When I read a thread in a
discussion board, unless it is a very long thread, I usually go to
the first post to see what the topic or question is so I know what I
am addressing. And typically I don't quote people unless it is a few
posts back - it tends to make threads very long - the assumption is
that they will see the post right before mine when they view mine,
or that if they have come into the thread in the first place, they
have looked to see what the original question is. There were only
four posts in the thread when I asked the question -three were mine -
it did not occur to me that I had to quote myself by reposting it.

Yes, I can understand

I use Outlook Express as my newsreader, and unless someone breaks the thread
by changing the subject and/or reposting it (NOT as a reply), I can see
everything. There are often what seem to be obscure one word answers, but
because the thread is there, I can follow it

But, and here's the big BUT, many others don't use OE and/or they have
certain settings which delete old threads, etc.


Now with all due respect, I came here with a lweb page question, not
to get into a flame war. I'm sure all of us have better things to
do.

I hope that I am not contributing to the flame war. I just wanted to explain
why some people may have answered as they did.

BTW, I saw the post "Is anybody there?" and I didn't know what it was about
either. Maybe it wasn't part of the same thread, or I deleted the earlier
parts of the thread myself, so I didn't understand the context.

So I have a new question: is there anybody out there who would
be willing to guide me to where I need to be - or what I need to know
- in putting this page together? I would be very appreciative of
their assistance.

O.K.
As to the new question

I am sorry, but it might help everyone if you were to post it again - just
paste your original, no need to retype it

I may not be able to help (I wil certainly try if I can), but at least then
others will be at the same level of understanding.

--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
[ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
MVPS Website: http://trevorl.mvps.org/
 
G

Guest

Thanks Ronx,
When I post that code on the page in the shared borders folder, the buttons
idsappear and I get text. What next?

Ronx said:
Change the code in the shared border to:

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=windows-1252">
<title>Shared Left Border</title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
</head>

<body>

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<td valign="top"><img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu
bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_01.jpg" width="230"
height="70"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_03.jpg" width="230" height="63"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_05.jpg" width="230" height="74"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_07.jpg" width="230" height="69"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_09.jpg" width="230" height="67"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_11.jpg" width="230" height="62"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_13.jpg" width="230" height="77"><br />
<img border="0" src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons
unselected/menu-bar-unselected_15.jpg" width="230" height="68"></td>
</tr>
</table>

</body>

</html>

You should also, in FrontPage, go through all the folder and file names
and remove all spaces - replace them with underlines or hyphens.
FrontPage will correct the links in all pages as you rename the files
and folders. Spaces in file and folder names will break links. There
is an addin named Space Replacer 2 available from
http://www.jimcosoftware.com that will do this for you.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp



Hi, here it is

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>Shared Left Border</title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
</head>

<body>

<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_01.jpg" width="230" height="70"></p>
<p align="left"><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_03.jpg" width="230" height="63"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_05.jpg" width="230" height="74"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_07.jpg" width="230" height="69"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_09.jpg" width="230" height="67"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_11.jpg" width="230" height="62"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_13.jpg" width="230" height="77"></p>
<p><img border="0"
src="../Roselight final/Menu bar/Buttons unselected/menu-bar-unselected_15.jpg" width="230" height="68"></p>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<tr>
<td width="100%"></td>
</tr>
</table>

</body>

</html>


Ronx said:
You will need to post the code for the navigation - this can be found in
_borders folder.
If _borders is not visible, then tools->Web (or site) settings -
advanced tag and tick the box "show hidden files and folders"
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp




Hi,
I didn't realize some people can't see the entire thread so that would make
sense.
I assumed that people were being sarcastic when I asked "is anybody there"
and all that came back was 'yup." - i.e. "yeah we're here, but we're not
going to answer your question - good luck figuring that out. And don't you
know how to post?"

I'll paste the earlier posts here - but the question basically comes down to
this; Can someone put me on the right track to building the basic page
structure? Currrently I have a psd document which I cut up into slices that
fit neatly together, save for the text areas. I want to create a basic nav
bar setup on the left side of the page from graphic buttons.

Thanks for your help - here are the posts.
__________________________________________________________________

Orig. Post:
Question
OK I must have this all wrong so hopefully someone can point me in the
right
direction.
I am trying to figure out how to build a navigation bar. Tutorials I went
through explained the shared borders and also how to set up a navigation
structiure, which I did.
I might be doing this the wrong way, but I have graphics already designed
for each page. The pages share a vertical nav bar. I thought the correct
way to design a page was to put it in a table. So I pictured each page
being built on a two column table, with the nav bar on the left and each page
pieced together in the colunm on the right. So I picture the left colunn
(with the nav bar) being the shared area.
WHen I set up shared borders, it takes sets that up outside of the table.
So I must be doing that wrong.
I also don't know how to add the graphics buttons to the shared borders
area.. When I tried to do that, they weren't held together like in the
table, and had space between them.
Can someone please point me in the right direction? It seems that I am way
off track here.

-------------------------

Post 2 (Thanks very much to Ron)
If you are using FrontPage 2003 I would advise using a Dynamic Web
Template (DWT) instead of shared borders. Your two column table
approach will work perfectly in a DWT.

With shared borders, FrontPage will contruct the table for you. Set up
a page and add the left shared border. (Format->Shared Borders and tick
left box, but do not tick Navigation since you are using your own - the
navigation view is used in conjunction with a theme. You could
customise a theme to use your graphics.)
In the left shared border area insert a single column, single row table.
The link buttons go into this table. If the buttons separate, post
the code for the navigation table here.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
Thanks

----------------------------------------

Post 3
Thanks
It's FP 2000.
I added the column and the buttons did separate. Everything should fit
tightly together - I jjust cut up my psd layers into slices for each page.
How would I go about posting the code here?

Post 4
Oh wait, I see where it is.
Here's the code. (I'm typing this in since this is a different computer)

<html>

<head>
<neta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=windows-1252">
<meta name "GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name "ProgId" content ="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>NewPage 4</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="1, default">
</head>

<body>

</body>

</html>

___________________________________________________________

:

RV wrote:
I don't usually post to newsgroups so perhaps that is the protocol. I
usually pot to a regular discussion board. When I read a thread in a
discussion board, unless it is a very long thread, I usually go to
the first post to see what the topic or question is so I know what I
am addressing. And typically I don't quote people unless it is a few
posts back - it tends to make threads very long - the assumption is
that they will see the post right before mine when they view mine,
or that if they have come into the thread in the first place, they
have looked to see what the original question is. There were only
four posts in the thread when I asked the question -three were mine -
it did not occur to me that I had to quote myself by reposting it.

Yes, I can understand

I use Outlook Express as my newsreader, and unless someone breaks the thread
by changing the subject and/or reposting it (NOT as a reply), I can see
everything. There are often what seem to be obscure one word answers, but
because the thread is there, I can follow it

But, and here's the big BUT, many others don't use OE and/or they have
certain settings which delete old threads, etc.


Now with all due respect, I came here with a lweb page question, not
to get into a flame war. I'm sure all of us have better things to
do.

I hope that I am not contributing to the flame war. I just wanted to explain
why some people may have answered as they did.

BTW, I saw the post "Is anybody there?" and I didn't know what it was about
either. Maybe it wasn't part of the same thread, or I deleted the earlier
parts of the thread myself, so I didn't understand the context.

So I have a new question: is there anybody out there who would
be willing to guide me to where I need to be - or what I need to know
- in putting this page together? I would be very appreciative of
their assistance.

O.K.
As to the new question

I am sorry, but it might help everyone if you were to post it again - just
paste your original, no need to retype it

I may not be able to help (I wil certainly try if I can), but at least then
others will be at the same level of understanding.

--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
[ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
MVPS Website: http://trevorl.mvps.org/
 

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