Help lost the camcorder controls in WMM2

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Guest

Help I seem to have lost the camcorder controls in WMM2 and I can't see
where/how to restore them so that I cam make capturing video easier. I see
the preview pane on the left but no controls underneath it.
Camcorder is a Panasonic NV-GS55 and laptop is Acer 2026 running SP2
WMM2 2.1.4026
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,

What resolution is your screen set to.....can you scroll the left hand side
of the window to reveal the controls?

If you are really stuck, the below url will take you to a piece of free
software that will do the capturing for you....its very well regarded

http://windv.mourek.cz/

--
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
Truthfully, I am not an Instant Expert, But I know someone who is going to
have to try a LOT harder
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G

Guest

John,
Screen resolution is set to 1280X800 pixels. The problem is in the video
capture pane. I think I asked for the preview pane to be turned off but there
is still a previre pane but with no controls underneath it. WMM2 captures ok
but I have to control the camcorder using its own controls whereas surely I
should be able to use WMM2 to control the camcorder whilst capturing video.
Everything else seems fine.

Robin
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,

That's an odd one I must say. Others who have had similar problems have
discovered that the controls are there but hidden by something lying on
top....a condition that could exist if your screen res was very low. Yours
is anything but.

I can say (from a programmers viewpoint) that good practice is to test for
device capabilities and enable that option on the media bar. If they did it
that way rather than just showing all of the controls it would indicate a
failure in the DirectShow component of DirectX.

If it is that then the solution would be to re-install DirectX. You should
re-boot before installing it so that all file locks are released. If that
fails the next step would be to re-install SP2. You need to do that whilst
offline for best results.

--
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
Truthfully, I am not an Instant Expert, But I know someone who is going to
have to try a LOT harder
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G

Guest

John,
Not sure what I did but when I powered the laptop on again today I noticed
the select preview option. Now when I switch this option on the preview pane
is still visible but this time the conreols for the camcorder are displayed
underneath. Perhaps this preview option is a bit misleading and is actually
referring to whether the camcorder controls are visible or not. anyway thanks
for your help and thanks to this newsgroup I've got my system stable and
working again. Now onto the next problem how to copy the avi file on my PC to
a dvd disc that can be played on most household dvd players.

Robin
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,

Hmm, Now you see them, now you don't !!!! I can't imagine what it is
that's going on..

DVD
===
You need DVD authoring software. (I use and rate highly Nero from
www.nero.com) If your dvd burner is not an OEM drive it may have come with
the giveaway version of some software. Until you have the software you are
going to continue to use its a good idea to keep hold of your AVI file.
That's a mistake I made I put it right because of Nero's abilities but not
all authoring programs can do it. (Extract the source from a DVD and create
a new menu system etc)

OEM (or white box or brown box) = Original Equipment Manufacturer which
makes no sense to me. Basically some see it as a way to sell equipment with
no support/cables/software/upgrading drivers etc. Such equipment used to go
directly to a manufacturer of some other device that included the OEM
device. That manufacturer would supply any after sales support or give
additional software.

--
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
Truthfully, I am not an Instant Expert, But I know someone who is going to
have to try a LOT harder
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G

Guest

John,

I've got an OEM version of Nero 6.0.0.3 I think on the desktop PC at home. I
also remember a load of updates that needed to be applied for SP2. Theres
also some 'noise' on other forums about having to buy other modules from Nero
to get it to work. I also see papa john suggests the WMM2 creates AVI type 1
files and I may need to convert my AVI's to type 2 before anything can read
the AVI's.
Is this right? Any further help you can provide would be great as I feel I'm
gettin somewhere now. Ideally I'd like to be able to author a DVD with a menu
of the little 'scenes' or movies that I have taken. Is this possible with
Nero?

Many thanks

Robin
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,

If you have Nero 6 you do not need to worry about what Movie Maker can or
can not do. All you need is a source file, a DVD writer and Nero. Simply
run Nero Vision Express 3 (might be version 2 prior to updating your copy
of Nero) and create your DVD. For a list of file types that Nero can
handle go to the import file option in Express and where it says all
supported file types click the down arrow and see the full list. You will
notice that it can import from every popular format/source type leaving
Movie Maker in the dust.

BTW, an OEM of Nero 6 means that you are not entitled to free support from
Nero, as far as I know you are entitled to all the free updates (and from
memory there are only ever three files to download)

You can use Vision Express 3 to capture from a camera of various types and
in its native format or from a non-copyright disk CD or DVD and export the
capture in one of many formats including type 1 & 2 avi.

If you want to edit a file and export it in its native format (what ever
that might be) you can select the smart encoding option. This will only
cause re-rendering where you have made changes thereby maintaining the
quality at its highest level. So, if you captured from a camera that
exports MPeg files you can import, edit and export back to the camera or
create a DVD and loose none of the quality of the original.

The one thing you would do in extreme cases is want to send the output of
Nero to a file that can be used by Movie Maker.....lets qualify that
further...if you really MUST use some of the extravagant effects you can
buy for movie maker then yes, Nero will create a file for you that can be
used by Movie Maker. But, before you think, that's great, take a look at
any normal TV program and ask yourself, "Where are all those fancy
transitions and effects, why do I not see the Professionals using them?"
Having gone through the "must have more effects" phase myself, I can tell
you that for a final product that the large majority of people will find
easy to watch and enjoy, you want to use as little as possible those clever
transitions and effects. Climbs off soap box

Nero is also capable of creating files at a much higher data rate/quality
than the DV-AVI standard of Movie Maker straight out of the box, it can
also create DVD's at those higher levels again straight out of the box, but
if you want to have more control over the data rate and compression you can
edit them simply by entering new values...you do not need to know how to
create special files that can then be used to control it the way you have
to in Movie Maker

Hope that the above helps. For further help on Nero you can ask in the
Common Rooms on my website. We have an up and coming expert in their. It
seems there is no newsgroup for Nero, a great pity, but then, its a measure
of how much help people need with it, would you believe that they do not
include the help file in the main download for the program!!! Its their to
be had if you are a serious novice or if you want the higher technical view
on how to use it...

<Cliche'>It only looks like Rocket Science if its a poor program, remember
that a computer is meant to work for you and not the other way
around</Cliche'>

--
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
Truthfully, I am not an Instant Expert, But I know someone who is going to
have to try a LOT harder
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G

Guest

John,
I had a look at your site and unfortunately I didn't have a suitable email
account to register with at your site. I'm leaving work shortly so I won't
have an account in three weeks that I can use. I'm using a 'public' email
account so I can log on from anywhere till I get sorted. I have a gmail
account, a tiscali account and a Hotmail account none of which I think you
allow otherwise I would have signed up for advise.
 
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Wojo

Hey John,
I'm not positive but I don't think the free OEM version of Nero comes with
NVE. The company, for whatever reason, doesn't seem to want to let people
use it for free at all hence the reason it isn't available on the trial
download. Kinda sucks since I have grown to like NVE and now make a point of
mentioning it. But I still like Ulead better :)~
lol
-Wojo
 
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eeyore

Hi Wojo;
Nero OEM's different capabilities to different suppliers and in fact
some suppliers have different capabilities in certain packages... I
understand Pioneer had additional capabilities on NVE but this can vary
so much from package to package. so how do you know what capability you
get? Even contacting DVD burner suppliers doesnt always help :)
Some OEM versions dont have NVE at all (this was advised to me by
Ahead.de the Nero developers.

My particular drive ASUS 0804p comes with a cut down NVE SE- fine for
putting movies together and putting chapters, menu etc, but no
transitions/filters/text/cut etc. So I can composite a movie but not
edit the clips (ie remove glitches etc).

I use MM2 for basic editing and adding text (mainly cause it is very
easy and intuitive) and use Nero for final compositing of the DVD and
rendering.

If I dont need to edit the movies I use Nero straight away as John Kelly
suggests.

So I would say John is partially correct, if all the footage is perfect
(or you have the more advanced features of NVE) you can get awy with
just NVE. But for even basic clip editing I needed another product.
MM2 is the easiest to use.

Nero will take my MM2 output directly.



Rob
 
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eeyore

Hi Robin,
To answer your specific question ......I use my MM2 avi output straight
into Nero. No conversion required.

I only use MM2 if I need to edit the clips...otherwise I take the clips
straight into NVE as John recommends further on.

There are some basic tricks to using NVE (eg getting the 'next chapter'
button working properly) and if there is an expert on Johns site I
recommend you use him.

Rob
 
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Guest

John,

Installed the version of Nero I had onto the laptop and I don't have
NeroVision. I have Nero Express which only accepts DVD files in DVD format.
It won't recognise WMM2 avi files until I upgrade to the next version which
is something that I picked up on forums that annoys people about Nero. Anyway
time to raid the piggy bank and buy an upgrade then!!! Unless NTI d/dvd
maker can handle it but it doesn't look like it can.

Robin
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,

That's a bummer Not sure where you are going when you say next version.
Version 6 is the current version (unless it changed in the last couple of
days) Its not unheard of to cripple OEM versions though. I have just asked
a friend who owns a Distribution/Placement company and from what he says
the OEM versions are VERY cheap to the company that sells it on through the
retail outlets. You get closer to the full product the more the Retailer
pays.

What that boils down to is that in your case the key feature (burning a
disk) is available and very little else....its the same as offering you out
of date versions of a product. (like MyDVD people do) Its the sweetener
that makes the "deal" you bought look good without costing Nero or the
Retail outlet very much. I expect that there will be an upgrade option.

I feel confident that when you get to grips with it you will be quite
pleased. You will be able to...

1) edit on a per frame basis instead of the 8 frames you edit with in Movie
Maker
2) Place a chapter point at exactly the location you want....on a per frame
basis
3) Export in a wide range of formats and with an easily customisable data
rate
4) Mess around with MPeg files (and other types) without loosing any
quality
5) Pick a standard menu from the large amount offered and rearrange/edit
just about everything
etc. etc. etc

--
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
Truthfully, I am not an Instant Expert, But I know someone who is going to
have to try a LOT harder
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Guest

eeyore,

I don't have v7 I have v6.7 installed from new. I've asked around colleagues
and gone down the Nero route and upgraded my OEM version to NeroVision
Express. It works burnt my first DVD this evening, brilliant.

Many Thanks guys

Robin Stenning
 
G

Guest

John,

I bit the bullet so to speak and ordered up an upgrade for Nero this evening
and guess what I managed to burn my first DVD included a chapter containing
the movie I made and hey I've managed to buy the right discs that play in my
DVD player and I watched my movie on my TV, fantastic. The next problem is
can I transfer the anolog video through the camcorder I think I can.

By the way I tried to use your site but I got a rude message back because
apparently I didn't comply to your rules. I haven't got a pay email account.
I don't have one anymore since being badly let down a few years ago. So
unless you want to modify your entry rules a bit I guess you won't be seeing
me in your common room.

Regards

Robin
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,


By the way I tried to use your site but I got a rude message back because
apparently I didn't comply to your rules. I haven't got a pay email
account.
I don't have one anymore since being badly let down a few years ago. So
unless you want to modify your entry rules a bit I guess you won't be
seeing
me in your common room.

A rude message? What did it say.....There is no deliberately rude message
that I know of. The rejection software has several scenarios built into it
and I thought I had read all of the messages. It sounds like I missed one.

If you think my setup is restrictive. I was on a Forum yesterday where you
are only allowed to use your proper name as well as passing a number of
tests to prove who you are. Personally I think the idea is very good, as
you will have noticed, I don't hide behind an assumed name the way some do
:(

--
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
Truthfully, I am not an Instant Expert, But I know someone who is going to
have to try a LOT harder
\|||/
(oo)
----------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
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