Header problem in Word 2000

[Gene Goldenfeld]

Headers are the bane of W2000 for me. At work, I have a 100+ page
document w/ two title pages that I don't want to put the header/footer
on or include in the page numbering. So, far, I can't get the second
title page to give up the header/footer w/o affecting what follows.
Here's the set-up:

--Section 1: two title pages -- want no header/footer
--Section 2: start header/footer (and page #) here

I know how to start page numbering, but can't get the headers/footers
straightened out, even with "Start here." Guidance appreciated.

Gene Goldenfeld

 

[Luc]

Gene,
First do your page numbering in the header and footer, do not use "Insert" -
pagenumbers. Second go to "View" - headers and footers - check if you are in
the first section and if necessary delete anything that is in there. Move to
the second section (use the button on the toolbar that's on the right of the
close button). Disable the connection between the header of section one by
clicking the button "same as previous" (that is the fifth button from the
right). Now apply your page numbering and type your header text. Close your
toolbar.
Everything should be in working order. Oh if you want your third page to
begin with page number one hit the page numbering format button and type a 3
in the box begin with.
Luc

 

[Tim Ferguson]

Oh if you want your third page to
begin with page number one hit the page numbering format button and
type a 3 in the box begin with.

Do you mean "type a 1"..?


Tim F

 

[manjit]

use breaks! go to insert then break and choose which type u want.

eg- if u want a different header/footer on the next page, at the end o
the page u r working on, insert break on next page. make sure that o
the header/footer toolbar the 'same as previous' button is UNselected

 

[Luc]

Tim,
Oops slip of the keyboard it should be 1 of course!!
Luc

 

[Gene Goldenfeld]

Gene,
First do your page numbering in the header and footer, do not use "Insert" -
pagenumbers. Second go to "View" - headers and footers - check if you are in
the first section and if necessary delete anything that is in there. Move to
the second section (use the button on the toolbar that's on the right of the
close button). Disable the connection between the header of section one by
clicking the button "same as previous" (that is the fifth button from the
right). Now apply your page numbering and type your header text. Close your
toolbar.
Everything should be in working order. Oh if you want your third page to
begin with page number one hit the page numbering format button and type a 3
in the box begin with.
Luc

When you say, "First do your page numbering in the header and footer, do
not use Insert pagenumbers," do you mean just to type it in? The first
two sentences of your explanation are not clear to me, since the only
way I know of to get page numbers in a header is to open View/Headers &
Footers first.

Also, to be clear, I want the page numbering to start both physically
and numerically (1) in the header on the first page of the second
section. I've assume that means use the "start at ____ " option. The
footer is a logo.

For curiosity, in making these header/footer changes, does it matter
whether the section breaks are new pages or continuous? Thanks,

Gene

Gene

 

[Gene Goldenfeld]

Gene,
First do your page numbering in the header and footer, do not use "Insert" -
pagenumbers. Second go to "View" - headers and footers - check if you are in
the first section and if necessary delete anything that is in there. Move to
the second section (use the button on the toolbar that's on the right of the
close button). Disable the connection between the header of section one by
clicking the button "same as previous" (that is the fifth button from the
right). Now apply your page numbering and type your header text. Close your
toolbar.
Everything should be in working order. Oh if you want your third page to
begin with page number one hit the page numbering format button and type a 3
in the box begin with.
Luc

Ok, using your instructions on a mock document and correcting them for
direction (there's nothing to the right of the Close button), here's
what I came up with:

--Go to View/H and F: Insert a page number manually in the header in
Sect 1, pg 1
--Move to Sect 2/pg 1 by using the "Show Next" button, which is next to
the Close
--Disable the connection between headers by clicking the button "Same as
previous" (5th button from right)
--Insert header/footer text
--Use the Format Page button to set the numbering to start at 1 (as
desired)
--Use the Page Setup button to Apply to "This point forward" (as
desired)
--Go back to Sect 1 ("Show Previous") and delete the header/footer there
--Close toolbar and verify

Ok? It's that "same as previous" button that I hadn't understood
before. In fact, doesn't clicking on a "same as previous" button to
disconnect sections seem counterintuitive? What am I missing about it?
thanks,

Gene

 

[Luc]

Gene,
By this I mean the menu "Insert" - pagenumbers which doesn't give enough
control over the process and is very difficult to remove do not ever type
the numbers yourself. Of course like someone else allready mentioned you
should put 1 next to start with.
Luc

 

[Luc]

Gene,
Sorry if my English is not so good but I'll have a try:
--Go to View/H and F: Insert a page number manually in the header in
Sect 1, pg 1
Not correct in fact put nothing in the header of section 1, as I allready
mentioned in my prevoius post, it must be completely empty
--Move to Sect 2/pg 1 by using the "Show Next" button, which is next to
the Close
=correct
--Disable the connection between headers by clicking the button "Same as
previous" (5th button from right)
= correct
--Insert header/footer text
= correct and start your pagenumbering here by clicking on the page number
insert button
--Use the Format Page button to set the numbering to start at 1 (as
desired)
= correct
--Use the Page Setup button to Apply to "This point forward" (as
desired)
= correct
--Go back to Sect 1 ("Show Previous") and delete the header/footer there
= not necessary as the first section will have no header and footer
--Close toolbar and verify
= correct
Greetings
Luc

 

[Gene Goldenfeld]

Gene,
Sorry if my English is not so good but I'll have a try:
--Go to View/H and F: Insert a page number manually in the header in
Sect 1, pg 1
Not correct in fact put nothing in the header of section 1, as I allready
mentioned in my prevoius post, it must be completely empty
--Move to Sect 2/pg 1 by using the "Show Next" button, which is next to
the Close
=correct
--Disable the connection between headers by clicking the button "Same as
previous" (5th button from right)
= correct
--Insert header/footer text
= correct and start your pagenumbering here by clicking on the page number
insert button
--Use the Format Page button to set the numbering to start at 1 (as
desired)
= correct
--Use the Page Setup button to Apply to "This point forward" (as
desired)
= correct
--Go back to Sect 1 ("Show Previous") and delete the header/footer there
= not necessary as the first section will have no header and footer
--Close toolbar and verify
= correct
Greetings
Luc

Ok, Luc, I see now the difference. One thing I'm still not clear about
is manually inserting a page number. I know how to do it, but it seems
that if I manually insert a '1' on the first page header of Sect 2, all
the subsequent pages show a '1.' However, if I use the Insert #, then
the rest follow correctly.

The other thing I'm not clear about is the "Apply to" choice in View H &
F/Page Setup. It seems that "This Section" and "This point forward"
give the same results in a multi-Section document. Thanks,

Gene

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

To clear up a few misconceptions:

1. When you click on "Same as Previous," you're turning it off or disabling
it, thereby breaking the connection between the two sections.

2. Yes, of course, you must use the Insert Page Number (#) button on the
Header and Footer toolbar to insert your page number (not just type it in).
What Luc was cautioning against was using the Insert | Page Numbers command
from the menu as opposed to View | Header and Footer, then Insert Page
Number.

3. The settings in Page Setup for "This section" and "This point forward"
are irrelevant to headers and footers; you link or unlink them using the
Same as Previous button (presumably they would be relevant to your settings
for "Different first page," but they're powerless to affect "Different odd
and even"; once you check that for any section, it applies to all).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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[Gene Goldenfeld]

use breaks! go to insert then break and choose which type u want.

eg- if u want a different header/footer on the next page, at the end of
the page u r working on, insert break on next page. make sure that on
the header/footer toolbar the 'same as previous' button is UNselected!

You're correct, I didn't mention breaks. Sort of assumed.

Here's a related question. Let's say I have a filler page here and
there that will be pulled after printing. I isolate it with new section
breaks and adjust the page numbering for the following page(s). I also
turn off "same as previous." What is the effect of turning off "same as
previous" for the filler page and the following page, and not just on
the latter: necessary, redundant, irrelevant? Thanks,

Gene

 

[Susan Gross]

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You're correct, I didn't mention breaks. Sort of assumed.

Here's a related question. Let's say I have a filler page here and
there that will be pulled after printing. I isolate it with new
section breaks and adjust the page numbering for the following
page(s). I also turn off "same as previous." What is the effect of
turning off "same as previous" for the filler page and the following
page, and not just on the latter: necessary, redundant, irrelevant?
Thanks,

Gene

Hi Gene,

Turning off "same as previous" for the filler page in this case, would
be optional, since the page is just going to be pulled anyway. Its only
necessary to uncheck "same as previous" for the page after the filler
page.

Best,

Susan