Have you successfully dumped Vista and returned to XP?

[Mark Shirley]

If you have the right XP cd you can boot from cd and install like that

Ive removed Vista from 200pcs to date no problems
just stick XP in the cd drive reboot, at the prompt saying, press any key to
boot from cd hit enter
follow instructions and you MUST REMOVE the partitioon with the d key press
enter to confirm then hit enter and select NTFS / Fast format or summing
like that, i dont read the screens anymore, i know the key combo i just
press and wait lol

Mark

 

[john]

On Apr 4, 5:28 pm, "(e-mail address removed)" <[email protected]>
wrote: What unnerves me most,
actually, are ...<snip>... (2) MS's delight in renaming pretty much every
procedure used on the computer, thus wasting more of my time.

This is by design.
All the changes, including widespread renaming of "default" folders and
apps, rearranging of menus with no rhyme or reason, and apparently for no
real purpose, confusing new graphic interface, are all necessary to make
Vista look sufficiently different from previous versions of Windows.

Otherwise, people would see it for what it really is, just another XP
Service Pack, or as I prefer to call it, Windows 95 v4.0

This is just another example of how the Marketing Dept. is now the driving
force at Microsoft.

=======================================
"I'm not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers,
both business and home, the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think
our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what
full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how
important current applications are, and really understanding what the most
important problems our customers face are"
- Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.
=======================================

 

[Dale M. White]

Two more points of information: As soon as I started using the
computer, I called Toshiba "support" and was told that this computer
would only run Vista. And I took the computer to an authorized Toshiba
shop and asked them to perform the "upgrade" for cold, hard cash. They
tried for several hours and said they couldn't get the drivers and
that I was stuck.

Well, hopefully you didn't take offense to me saying, that I don't know your
technical abilities. It was simply a unknown variable, just like the model
number.

Here's my current theory, I see they do list XP drivers for that laptop,
though mainly for the Modem. Then I look at the BIOS and I see this
interesting and yet scary note

"Version 1.10 12-15-2006
This BIOS is ONLY for use with Windows Vista. Please do NOT install this
BIOS for use with Windows XP, or earlier Windows versions.
This is the initial production BIOS for Satellite A130/A135 (PSAD0U and
PSAD3U) models"

This makes me think, they may have actually wrote into the BIOS something
that breaks XP. Maybe on purpose, or maybe something to fix a Vista problem.
Looking over the bulletins for that Laptop, they talk about XP a fair
amount, and they talk about the Vista Upgrade express program, which tells
me it use to be a XP laptop.

This is partially why I had so many caveats with my original post. Sometimes
vendors do some things that I just think is wrong. If the laptop can run
either or, why write the BIOS to break XP ? (I know, support reasons and all
that)

You're only real option may be to call or e-mail toshiba and ask for a BIOS
you can install to get XP to work on. You'll first need to look and see if
your BIOS is the 1.10 rev or not. I'm going to guess that it is and that's
why the tech Shop couldn't get it to work.

 

[Guest]

Damn DanS: you sound like a commerical for Billyboy's Vista.
There ar people out there buying computers with the NEW--WOW--Vista, and it
is driving people crazy.

You may think Vista is God sent but, IT'S NOT..an people get so sick of all
of the clichs that they want to go back to XP.

So stop being a Narcissistic buttwipe and really help people.

 

[Guest]

YOU GO FRED: I have a new Toshiba Satellite laptop with the same Vista, with
about the same Operating systems. I am having as much trouble with Vista not
commucating with my XP desktop over my wireless network.

I can't share files or even use my printer remotely, and I have been trying
for weeks some info, and someone walking me thru the steps to correct this.

I know your frustration, And to you super Narcissistic Geeks that know it
all speak simple english so we can understand on how to make it work

 

[Dale M. White]

I think you mis-read DanS posts. I believe he is responding to Carey's post
in which she sounds a little snooty telling the Original Poster to maybe
Add ram and "Then learn to use Vista correctly", implying the OP's compliant
against Vista is because he doesn't know how to use it correctly. it's
completely irrelevent, whether the OP acutally likes Vista or can use it in
their job function.

It's that last little statement that will get people in trouble and it tends
to count double when you're an MVP.

Probably if FredPowerledge would have left off the "dangerous" part of his
description, he wouldn't have got such a return comment. After all, some
people are a little more protective of their babies, then others.

 

[Dale M. White]

We're not Narcissistic, we're geeks, that just means we're Anti-Social. And
like Whales prefer to communicate with our own kind.

Do you already have a thread\Post on this ? I hate hi-jacking Fred's post to
work on a different problem.

 

[Michael Solomon]

I (unfortunately) bought a new Toshiba Satellite notebook with Vista
home "premium" on it. The operating system is dangerous, unreliable,
and slow. I want to return to XP Pro. I have a paid copy of XP Pro.

Has anyone successfully removed Vista from a computer that came with
Vista installed and replaced it with XP? I've seen plenty of
speculation from people who haven't actually done it, and I've read
all the "just get a Mac" advice. But has anyone actually *done* this
"upgrade"? Thanks.
--Fred Powledge

Fred, how long have you had this laptop? It would seem, if you can't do the
things for which you purchased it and you are unable to install
XP due to BIOS issues mentioned in this thread, either the retailer or the
manufacturer or both have an obligation to take it back if you are within a
reasonable time period. Depending upon store policy, this is usually an
option.

I just did a quick check of TigerDirect and found this HP Centrino Core 2
Duo that comes with Windows XP Pro. There are other similar machines up
there and I'm sure at other suppliers who probably still have Vista
"capable" machines that currently have Windows XP installed and that would
seem to be the answer to taking care of current needs as well as future
nees.

This is just one example and is a little light on memory, especially
considering its price but if you can return your Toshiba, you might want to
check out TigerDirect, perhaps Buy.com and some other Internet retailers
that might have some deals on laptops with XP. Here's a link to the laptop
I mentioned:
http://tinyurl.com/294l5b

 

[Guest]

Well Dale thanks for the THREAT...wow you guys think your some kind of God's
and I beleive I did read it correctly "and then

learn how to use Vista correctly.

If that isn't snooty.....

What is there to learn to do 'correctly' ?

All you should need to do is power up and launch a few programs. Not much
to re-learn there.

You make it out like it some all new powerful OS that can be mind-
controlled, when you learn how to do it correctly."

Sooo if you can't speak to people Nicely, or with Respect so why do you even
try to help someone, and their problems??

Forgive me again "OH MASTER'

 

[Richard Urban]

Toad!

Well Dale thanks for the THREAT...wow you guys think your some kind of
God's
and I beleive I did read it correctly "and then

If that isn't snooty.....

What is there to learn to do 'correctly' ?

All you should need to do is power up and launch a few programs. Not much
to re-learn there.

You make it out like it some all new powerful OS that can be mind-
controlled, when you learn how to do it correctly."

Sooo if you can't speak to people Nicely, or with Respect so why do you
even
try to help someone, and their problems??

Forgive me again "OH MASTER'

 

[DanS]

Damn DanS: you sound like a commerical for Billyboy's Vista.
There ar people out there buying computers with the NEW--WOW--Vista,
and it is driving people crazy.

You may think Vista is God sent but, IT'S NOT..an people get so sick
of all of the clichs that they want to go back to XP.

So stop being a Narcissistic buttwipe and really help people.

It's obvious that you mis-read my post or have me mixed up with someone
else, as I am NOT a VistaBoi.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Return the computer for a refund. It's obvious your issues
are hardware related and not the fault of the Windows Vista
operating system.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----

I (unfortunately) bought a new Toshiba Satellite notebook with Vista
home "premium" on it. The operating system is dangerous, unreliable,
and slow. I want to return to XP Pro. I have a paid copy of XP Pro.

Has anyone successfully removed Vista from a computer that came with
Vista installed and replaced it with XP? I've seen plenty of
speculation from people who haven't actually done it, and I've read
all the "just get a Mac" advice. But has anyone actually *done* this
"upgrade"? Thanks.
--Fred Powledge

Thank you (well, most of you) for your comments. Like one of the other
repliers, I also gag at the sight of the initials "MVP," especially
when they're accompanied by some self-serving, faux-superior, snobby
flapmouth.

The machine in question is a Toshiba Satellite A135-S4407. The part
number is PSADOU-03J00P. It came with 1GB of system memory, which I
have changed to 2GB. It has a 160GB hard drive.

Someone raised the question of my abilities. Fair question. I have
been using computers since the 1980s, and am no stranger to their
insides. I know how to format a drive. Because I have used only
Microsoft inadequate OSs, I am more than familiar with having to
reformat and restore drives. It is one of the abiding shames of my
life that I never achieved the exalted status of MVP.

Despite what someone said in the replies to my original message, this
machine (with Vista installed) will *not* run several of the programs
I depend upon. Also, I am (perhaps unreasonably) unwilling to put the
machine on a shelf and wait until Micros**t fixes some of its faults
just before the next Christmas shopping season. What unnerves me most,
actually, are (1) its inability or unwillingness to easily synchronize
data with my desktop, (2) MS's delight in renaming pretty much every
procedure used on the computer, thus wasting more of my time, and (3)
its eerie message, when I try to overwrite a data file (that exists on
a thumb drive, say) to a similarly-named file on the Toshiba, that
asks me if I want to "merge" the files. Replace, yes. Overwrite, yes.
Ignore, maybe. But merge? To me, this is a glowing example of how bad
a job MS has done on this computer.

Two more points of information: As soon as I started using the
computer, I called Toshiba "support" and was told that this computer
would only run Vista. And I took the computer to an authorized Toshiba
shop and asked them to perform the "upgrade" for cold, hard cash. They
tried for several hours and said they couldn't get the drivers and
that I was stuck.

--FP

 

[Dale M. White]

What threat ? I was explaining to you the series of events in the previous
threads and how things unfolded and how it could have been avoided with some
word choice changes.

So I'm guilty of interpreting and adding commentary to a outside
conversation, but I didn't make any threats. So I'm now curious what did I
say that falls into the "threat" group ?

 

[Guest]

Well Carey you tell the to Best Buy..two days after I bought the laptop I
tried to return it explaining it the problem..Now Best Buy's policy is "TUFF
LUCK" and their responds is " we didn't make the laptop, and we didn't
install the VISTA, so what do you want us to do"?

Also check out the horror stories about Best Buy at www.bestbuysux.org

And to Dale...your right like Whales you all "WET" and your threat was not
welcome at all..think about it.

 

[Dale M. White]

Still waiting to know what threat ?

Well Carey you tell the to Best Buy..two days after I bought the laptop I
tried to return it explaining it the problem..Now Best Buy's policy is
"TUFF
LUCK" and their responds is " we didn't make the laptop, and we didn't
install the VISTA, so what do you want us to do"?

Also check out the horror stories about Best Buy at www.bestbuysux.org

And to Dale...your right like Whales you all "WET" and your threat was not
welcome at all..think about it.

 

[Richard Urban]

It is not YOUR computer we are talking about. If you want to start a thread
about YOUR problem, feel free to do so.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

 

[Guest]

“It's that last little statement that will get people in trouble and it tends
To count double when you're an MVP.â€

Now do you remember>>>>?

It’s like my god I made a terrible mistake for asking for help on your
precious thread. This was my first time to M/S community website, and I
didn’t know all of the RULES AND REGULATIONS on posting.

Now your comment above led me to believe that because I had posted on
multiple threads that I would be in trouble with the Great and Mighty MVP for
doing so. And as for High jacking someone’s post I wasn’t aware that this
was some kind of crime.

Look Dale if you really don’t know what you’re talking about in giving
advice…. Don’t. Stop feeding you ego to make your Geek’ish behavior
Look so all mighty.

And as for your advice on my problem…STICK IT.

If you still cant remeber go back up to your response.

 

[Michael Solomon]

Well Carey you tell the to Best Buy..two days after I bought the
laptop I tried to return it explaining it the problem..Now Best Buy's
policy is "TUFF LUCK" and their responds is " we didn't make the
laptop, and we didn't install the VISTA, so what do you want us to
do"?

Also check out the horror stories about Best Buy at
www.bestbuysux.org

And to Dale...your right like Whales you all "WET" and your threat
was not welcome at all..think about it.

:

A couple of constructive things you can do. One, if you paid by credit
card, you can dispute the charge. You will be asked for a written
explanation in which you can explain the problem and that you were in the
store two days after purchase and Best Buy refused to do anything. Second,
you can file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. This, almost
always gets a response, especially now that the BBB is online and consumers
can check out an establishment's record. I'm not saying you'll get a refund
but if you have your receipt and explain that you were in the store
complaining about the problem just two days after purchase, you will likely
be able to exchange the laptop for something else of comparable retail
value.

 

[Guest]

Michael: You don't even have a clue. I have done all of these thing and
more. You could never believe the insanity I have gone thur.

I have filed complaints with The BBB in my state, in the state where Best
Buy Corp is Minnesota. With my states A/G the FTC and have file suit with my
Attorney against BB..

Go to www.bestbuysux.org and read the horror stories.

But it still does not help me an my problem with the Vista laptop

 

[Dale White]

Well, I'm afraid you took my statments out of context. As I was talking and
commentating on the post Carey made and not talking directly to you. I
though maybe you had misread the string, and didn't understand that DanS was
rebuking Carey's statement, not defending Vista

""It's that last little statement that will get people in trouble and it
tends to count double when you're an MVP"

I was referring to Carey's last parting shot of "Then Learn to use Vista
Correctly". Those kind of statement condecending remarks will get people in
trouble in general and with her being an MVP, it's going ot inflame the
people twice as much, since some already have bitterness towards MVPs to
begin with. Some would even say that MVP's should never make such comments.
But it's pretty much free speech so people can say whatever.

I'm not trying to critize you, but if you're new to a community or group,
it's just a suggestion to look around and try to follow the "general rules"
of that communit. You know, the whole, when in Rome, do as the Romans. Some
consider it rude to Hi-Jack a thread. Some consider it like a little kid in
a classrom who seeing someone else get attention, jumps and in demands
everyone focus on them. I AM NOT saying you're a little kid or demanding
attention, just that's how some people view Hi-jackign threads.

I even asked (nicely I thought) if you already had you're own post on it, so
we could look at it and start work on it. I didn't say I'm not going to let
you hi-jack this thread you dirt bag, I said, I hate Hi-jacking someone
else's thread to work on a different problem.

Finally, I don't think I offered any advice on your problem. I believe that
was Richard Urban, who used stronger terms then I used, scolded you for
hi-jacking multiple threads. So I think you're mixing me and Richard
together and maybe mis-reading what I am saying