Have a look here.

P

Pavel

Lately I have noticed that more and more people in these newsgroups reply
with pointers to some website that may or may not have the relevant answer
to the original question instead of give the answer in few of their own
words. It makes me very suspicious as to the actual knowledge that these
people have in regards to the question posed. Are the just using a search
engine to find these websites with out knowing or understanding the
question?
If you going to point to some website please do it as a last resort and
after you at least attempt to answer the question.
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Pavel said:
Lately I have noticed that more and more people in these newsgroups
reply with pointers to some website that may or may not have the
relevant answer to the original question instead of give the answer
in few of their own words. It makes me very suspicious as to the
actual knowledge that these people have in regards to the question
posed. Are the just using a search engine to find these websites with
out knowing or understanding the question?
If you going to point to some website please do it as a last resort
and after you at least attempt to answer the question.

Why?

When one can point to a single web page that gives pictures and thousands of
words (in a step-by-step process) that perhaps they created or contributed
to (or may have had nothing to do with) - does that lower the value of the
resultant fix to the OP in any way?

Some people complain when you give too detailed of an answer - others grip
when all you give is a link to the answer..

You can please some of the people some of the time.....
 
P

Pavel

How many times I have looked at the webpage suggested only to find that it
either had nothing relevant to my question or there was so much info that I
just did not bother to read it. Even worse is when you actually then have to
do your own search on the suggested web page.
 
R

Richard Urban

I have noticed that a few individuals (no names) often point to web pages
that have nothing to do with the problem.

If someone posts they have a problem, and says "I guess I'll have to back up
and take another look at it", you can bet some will point the person to a
page that explains Windows XP Backup!



--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
W

WTC

Even worse is when you actually then have to do your own search


What is wrong with searching for yourself? I suppose you are very lazy
and possibly lack intelligence to search on your own.

LOL
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Pavel said:
Lately I have noticed that more and more people in these newsgroups
reply with pointers to some website that may or may not have the
relevant answer to the original question instead of give the answer
in few of their own words. It makes me very suspicious as to the
actual knowledge that these people have in regards to the question
posed. Are the just using a search engine to find these websites
with out knowing or understanding the question?
If you going to point to some website please do it as a last resort
and after you at least attempt to answer the question.

Shenan said:
Why?

When one can point to a single web page that gives pictures and
thousands of words (in a step-by-step process) that perhaps they
created or contributed to (or may have had nothing to do with) -
does that lower the value of the resultant fix to the OP in any way?

Some people complain when you give too detailed of an answer -
others gripe when all you give is a link to the answer..

You can please some of the people some of the time.....
How many times I have looked at the webpage suggested only to find
that it either had nothing relevant to my question or there was so
much info that I just did not bother to read it. Even worse is when
you actually then have to do your own search on the suggested web
page.

I have no way of knowing how many times you have viewed a suggested web page
and found that it had nothing relevant to your question or that there was so
much info that you didn't bother to read it (the latter sounds like you
expect every answer to be simple/uncomplicated. *grin*.)

Personally - I think the OP should have to do a little "searching" on their
own to get an answer.. Otherwise they will continue the same habits that
got them here in the first place and products like this "OneCare" that
Microsoft is creating become the norm of security and things continue to
deteriate instead of getting better.

A little effort to not only fix a problem but learn why it occurred and how
to prevent it from happening again seems like something good to me. I'm not
saying a user should become an expert system administrator - but learning
proper maintenance for your system is no different than learning that (in
the mechanical world) keeping something clean can extend its useful life or
that keeping some things "oiled" can keep them functioning far beyond their
expected lives..

There is also many time multiple ways to fix something.. One way may be
more intuitive to certain people than others (and vice-versa.) So a web
page may have several descriptions for the same "fix", however - different
methods of getting to the end-result. For example - many things can be done
through registry edits - and I can describe them in detail - but that level
of involvement may be "too much" for some to follow and it would be easier
for them to use something like "MS PowerToys TweakUI" to do the same thing.
Listing the many ways to do one thing in a single response could become
quite long - and never compare to the detail that may already exist out
there.

In other words - why reinvent the wheel when there already are detailed
instructions on how to do it out there in several different ways?

I have no doubt that some may answer using links they googled for - if that
wasn't a skill, then there would be no questions here to answer in such
ways. *grin* Seriously - I state my original answer:

Some people complain when you give too detailed of an answer -
others gripe when all you give is a link to the answer..

You can please some of the people some of the time.....
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Richard said:
I have noticed that a few individuals (no names) often point to web
pages that have nothing to do with the problem.

If someone posts they have a problem, and says "I guess I'll have to
back up and take another look at it", you can bet some will point the
person to a page that explains Windows XP Backup!

*sigh*
Yes - it can happen that you get into a groove and misiterpret something you
read..
I did that very thing today. I went back and admitted the mistake - but
thankfully - it will be archived for my lifetime. *grin*
 
R

R. McCarty

Also answers have to account for the skill/understanding level of the
poster. That can only be guessed at, based on the descriptions they
provide. Some people can handle Registry edits, while others cannot,
so do you give the same answer to each ? It's like the grocery store
"Plastic or Paper" - both do the same thing, but each one has it's own
advantages.
 
T

T. Waters

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if you are concerned about people
wasting the timeof others, do not multi-post, as you have done in the case
at hand.
 
B

Bill McCartney

Shenan said:
*sigh*
Yes - it can happen that you get into a groove and misiterpret something you
read..
I did that very thing today. I went back and admitted the mistake - but
thankfully - it will be archived for my lifetime. *grin*


I don't want to sound like I'm snaping on the MVPs here,However, I have
to agree to some point with Pavel.
If a person is in need of help and they'er directed to Kelly's or Doug's
sites,Then the amount of information presented to them is quite
overwhelming.
Two or more years ago, if a question was asked, a answer was given here
in this forum.
Last year I asked how to get XP's windows explorer to open on my C:
drive and after going through Kelly's site for over an hour and not
finding the information I needed, I said to #$&% with it.
Do not take this as critisim, because it is not ment to be so. I have
always appreciated what you guys do with reguards to the "FREE" help you
supply to users of Windows. I would, however, like to see Kelly and Doug
make thier sites more navagational in reguards to finding answers to
problems.
Not flaming anyone here, just voicing my opinion,


--
Bill McCartney
Union City, Georgia

E-mail rot 13ed
(e-mail address removed)
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C

Chuck Davis

WTC said:
What is wrong with searching for yourself? I suppose you are very lazy and
possibly lack intelligence to search on your own.

LOL
Certainly believes that "read" is a four-letter word.
 
K

Kelly

Hi Bill,

I appreciate your reply. If "I" direct/send you to my site, I list the
exact line or link each and every time. If others do, I can't help that,
sorry! :blush:(

As per your mention, not that it is needed now, but you would have been
answered properly:

Right click Windows Explorer/Properties and type this into the Target path:

To have C: open (No folders)
%SystemRoot%\Explorer.exe /root, C:\

To have My Computer
C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe /n

To have C: open expanded - Examples
%windir%\EXPLORER.EXE /e,c:
%windir%\EXPLORER.EXE /e,f:\Limited Documents

To have C: open and My Documents
%windir%\EXPLORER.EXE /e,c:,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\My Documents

For it to open to My Documents:
explorer /n,/e,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\My Documents or
C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe /n,/e,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\My Documents

To have My Documents open only (No folders)
Explorer /root, c:\Documents and Settings\%username%\My Documents
Explorer /root, c:,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\Kelly's Computer

If you wish to have Explorer open at My Documents on another drive, you
would use:
%SystemRoot%\explorer.exe /e, f:\My Documents

To have another Drive letter assigned to opening: D for example
C:\Windows\Explorer.exe /e, d:\

d:\ can be modified for any folder/sub-folder you like. As in:
%SystemRoot%\Explorer.exe /e,d:\My Stuff

The /e switch tells Windows Explorer to open in the two pane explorer mode
and the c:\ tells it to open in folder C:\. If you omit the /e switch,
Windows Explorer opens in a single pane view.

Command Line Switches Examples for Windows Explorer
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_c.htm#comline

Command-Line Switches for Windows Explorer
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q130/5/10.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];307856

--

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
 
R

Rock

Pavel said:
Lately I have noticed that more and more people in these newsgroups reply
with pointers to some website that may or may not have the relevant answer
to the original question instead of give the answer in few of their own
words. It makes me very suspicious as to the actual knowledge that these
people have in regards to the question posed. Are the just using a search
engine to find these websites with out knowing or understanding the
question?
If you going to point to some website please do it as a last resort and
after you at least attempt to answer the question.

Why do you expect others to post answers in a format to suit you? What
about those that prefer to be directed to a link? Would you suggest the
person answering first ask if you would like it in link form or text
summary form - or maybe they should they just post it in both formats?

Geez, take each answer for the benefit it provides and move on to the
next. If it doesn't help, look elsewhere.

See this link for more information:
Text or Link to Answer a Question, What is Better?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...+answer+a+question+what+is+better&btnG=Search
 
K

kurttrail

Pavel said:
Lately I have noticed that more and more people in these newsgroups
reply with pointers to some website that may or may not have the
relevant answer to the original question instead of give the answer
in few of their own words. It makes me very suspicious as to the
actual knowledge that these people have in regards to the question
posed. Are the just using a search engine to find these websites with
out knowing or understanding the question?
If you going to point to some website please do it as a last resort
and after you at least attempt to answer the question.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&domains=microscum.com&q=****+off&btnG=Search&sitesearch=

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 
K

kurttrail

Richard said:
I have noticed that a few individuals (no names) often point to web
pages that have nothing to do with the problem.

If someone posts they have a problem, and says "I guess I'll have to
back up and take another look at it", you can bet some will point the
person to a page that explains Windows XP Backup!

http://www.google.com/search?source...GGLD,GGLD:2004-49,GGLD:en&q=Windows+XP+Backup

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 
R

Richard Urban

Ask and ye shall receive!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
B

Bill McCartney

Kelly said:
Hi Bill,

I appreciate your reply. If "I" direct/send you to my site, I list the
exact line or link each and every time. If others do, I can't help that,
sorry! :blush:(

As per your mention, not that it is needed now, but you would have been
answered properly:

Right click Windows Explorer/Properties and type this into the Target path:

To have C: open (No folders)
%SystemRoot%\Explorer.exe /root, C:\

To have My Computer
C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe /n

To have C: open expanded - Examples
%windir%\EXPLORER.EXE /e,c:
%windir%\EXPLORER.EXE /e,f:\Limited Documents

To have C: open and My Documents
%windir%\EXPLORER.EXE /e,c:,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\My Documents

For it to open to My Documents:
explorer /n,/e,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\My Documents or
C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe /n,/e,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\My Documents

To have My Documents open only (No folders)
Explorer /root, c:\Documents and Settings\%username%\My Documents
Explorer /root, c:,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\Kelly's Computer

If you wish to have Explorer open at My Documents on another drive, you
would use:
%SystemRoot%\explorer.exe /e, f:\My Documents

To have another Drive letter assigned to opening: D for example
C:\Windows\Explorer.exe /e, d:\

d:\ can be modified for any folder/sub-folder you like. As in:
%SystemRoot%\Explorer.exe /e,d:\My Stuff

The /e switch tells Windows Explorer to open in the two pane explorer mode
and the c:\ tells it to open in folder C:\. If you omit the /e switch,
Windows Explorer opens in a single pane view.

Command Line Switches Examples for Windows Explorer
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_c.htm#comline

Command-Line Switches for Windows Explorer
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q130/5/10.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];307856

Kelly,
I thank you kindly for this reply.
After having Explorer open to My Documents for so long now it will take
some getting used to having it open on the C: drive again.
Thanks,
--
Bill McCartney
Union City, Georgia

E-mail rot 13ed
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed) < this is here for the e-mail bots.
 
K

Kelly

Most welcome, Bill and I hear you. :blush:)

--

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


Bill McCartney said:
Hi Bill,

I appreciate your reply. If "I" direct/send you to my site, I list the
exact line or link each and every time. If others do, I can't help that,
sorry! :blush:(

As per your mention, not that it is needed now, but you would have been
answered properly:

Right click Windows Explorer/Properties and type this into the Target
path:

To have C: open (No folders)
%SystemRoot%\Explorer.exe /root, C:\

To have My Computer
C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe /n

To have C: open expanded - Examples
%windir%\EXPLORER.EXE /e,c:
%windir%\EXPLORER.EXE /e,f:\Limited Documents

To have C: open and My Documents
%windir%\EXPLORER.EXE /e,c:,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\My Documents

For it to open to My Documents:
explorer /n,/e,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\My Documents or
C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe /n,/e,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\My Documents

To have My Documents open only (No folders)
Explorer /root, c:\Documents and Settings\%username%\My Documents
Explorer /root, c:,%HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%\Kelly's Computer

If you wish to have Explorer open at My Documents on another drive, you
would use:
%SystemRoot%\explorer.exe /e, f:\My Documents

To have another Drive letter assigned to opening: D for example
C:\Windows\Explorer.exe /e, d:\

d:\ can be modified for any folder/sub-folder you like. As in:
%SystemRoot%\Explorer.exe /e,d:\My Stuff

The /e switch tells Windows Explorer to open in the two pane explorer
mode and the c:\ tells it to open in folder C:\. If you omit the /e
switch, Windows Explorer opens in a single pane view.

Command Line Switches Examples for Windows Explorer
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_c.htm#comline

Command-Line Switches for Windows Explorer
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q130/5/10.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];307856

Kelly,
I thank you kindly for this reply.
After having Explorer open to My Documents for so long now it will take
some getting used to having it open on the C: drive again.
Thanks,
--
Bill McCartney
Union City, Georgia

E-mail rot 13ed
(e-mail address removed)
(e-mail address removed) < this is here for the e-mail bots.
 

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