Harddrive question

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calabash30

I'm rebuilding my father's computer. I've installed a new ASRock
motherboard. My question is about the new harddrive I'm using. The
connections on the back are different from the old 2003 harddrive he
was using before (they're both made by Western Digital). See picture:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/totalrod2/HardDrives.png?t=1225417380
Can the pins marked "A B C D" be used for power? If so, how do I hook
it up? (in relation to the numbers on the plug).
Bryan
 
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RobV

I'm rebuilding my father's computer. I've installed a new ASRock
motherboard. My question is about the new harddrive I'm using. The
connections on the back are different from the old 2003 harddrive he
was using before (they're both made by Western Digital). See picture:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/totalrod2/HardDrives.png?t=1225417380
Can the pins marked "A B C D" be used for power? If so, how do I hook
it up? (in relation to the numbers on the plug).
Bryan

The old drive has a IDE, or parallel interface and the power connector
you show is the "standard" power connector for IDE drives, amongst other
items.

The new drive you have has a SATA, or serial interface. The data cable
is very thin and the power connector is completely different from the
one shown (although the same voltages are used).

You could get an adapter for the power, but you would need a SATA
controller on the MB. If you have SATA capability on the MB, then all
you need is to get an adapter for the power. The first couple on this
page will do nicely:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ATCH&Description=sata+power+adapter&x=17&y=30
 
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RobV

RobV said:
The old drive has a IDE, or parallel interface and the power
connector you show is the "standard" power connector for IDE drives,
amongst other items.

The new drive you have has a SATA, or serial interface. The data
cable is very thin and the power connector is completely different
from the one shown (although the same voltages are used).

You could get an adapter for the power, but you would need a SATA
controller on the MB. If you have SATA capability on the MB, then all
you need is to get an adapter for the power. The first couple on this
page will do nicely:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ATCH&Description=sata+power+adapter&x=17&y=30

That should be any of the first few on the page will work fine. Also,
if you have only IDE connections on the MB, there are adapters for that
as well. Here's one that will connect to the back of the new drive you
have and supply a power connector and the parallel IDE data cable
connection as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156011
 
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spodosaurus

I'm rebuilding my father's computer. I've installed a new ASRock
motherboard. My question is about the new harddrive I'm using. The
connections on the back are different from the old 2003 harddrive he
was using before (they're both made by Western Digital). See picture:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/totalrod2/HardDrives.png?t=1225417380
Can the pins marked "A B C D" be used for power? If so, how do I hook
it up? (in relation to the numbers on the plug).
Bryan

NO!!!!!!

You have a SATA drive there, not an IDE drive like the old one. You'll
need a SATA cable and a SATA power connector for the new drive. If your
PSU does not have a SATA power connector, go buy a little Molex (like on
the old ide drive) to SATA power adapter.

Ari

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Paul

I'm rebuilding my father's computer. I've installed a new ASRock
motherboard. My question is about the new harddrive I'm using. The
connections on the back are different from the old 2003 harddrive he
was using before (they're both made by Western Digital). See picture:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/totalrod2/HardDrives.png?t=1225417380
Can the pins marked "A B C D" be used for power? If so, how do I hook
it up? (in relation to the numbers on the plug).
Bryan

From left to right, your old drive has

<--- 40 pin IDE ---> <--- 2x4 jumper area ---> <--- 1x4 Molex power --->

From left to right, on your new drive

<--- 15 contact power ---> <--- 7 contact SATA data ---> <--- 2x4 jumper area --->

Pinout on SATA is described here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sata

The 15 contact power connector, is 5 groups of three contacts.
3.3V, 5V, 12V are three of the five groups. The other two groups
are ground (or auxiliary functions).

You can buy adapter cables, going from 1x4 Molex on an old
power supply, to the new SATA wafer. Such an adapter will not
have 3.3V on it (1x4 Molex carries +5V and +12V only). But
the current generation of drives are still content to
use +5V and +12V anyway, so missing out on +3.3V is not
currently a problem.

The jumper area on either kind of drive is not standardized.
SATA drives can vary from no jumpers (Hitachi) up to your
example of a 2x4 area. Typically, there is room for two
useful jumpers, one controlling spread spectrum (to reduce
interference to TV/radio etc). Spread spectrum cannot be used
on some older Macintosh computers with SATA, but otherwise
you don't need to change the jumper. The second jumper forces
the communications rate on the cable, from 300MB/sec down to
150MB/sec, for better compatibility with first generation
equipment. For example, motherboards with VIA Southbridges
and 150MB/sec interfaces, are candidates for installing
that "force" jumper.

There is one drive per SATA cable, most of the time. You
can buy a device called a port multiplier, which converts
one SATA cable into five SATA connectors. They cost about
$100 and are uncommon (never run into anyone who has used
one).

When you see "Master" or "Slave" in the BIOS screen for
the SATA interfaces, that is a labeling convention, and
in fact the drives don't have the notion of master or
slave. The old IDE drives were "two per cable", with one
a master and the other a slave. For SATA implementations
that emulate IDE hardware, it is easier to label them
as master and slave, as part of the old labeling scheme.

Don't apply power to the jumper pins, because the
magic smoke will escape if you do :) You need a SATA
power connector to do it right.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186043

HTH,
Paul
 
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geoff

You have a SATA drive there, not an IDE drive like the old one. You'll
need a SATA cable and a SATA power connector for the new drive. If your
PSU does not have a SATA power connector, go buy a little Molex (like on
the old ide drive) to SATA power adapter.

That is exactly what I have, a connector converter that is Molex on one end
and a SATA power connector on the other end.

However, someone suggested using an IDE to SATA converter cable, I would be
a little doubtful of that one.

--g
 
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calabash30

Thanks everyone for answering my questions. I went ahead and ordered
that adapter a few hours ago. But I just looked in the box my
motherboard came in and it turns out that adapter came with the board!
Grrr.
Bryan
 

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