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[Unknown]

They (the manufacturer's) are being forced to include a method of
reinstalling Windows as it is now, so why aren't they suing about that?

Are you sure about that? How long would you expect a manufacturer to be in
business
if he provided no recovery? Since most manufacturers have their own menu of
what is shipped with their computers a 'real' XP CD would be useless anyway.

It's a non issue, being told to include a real Windows cd with the sale
of a Windows license would not be a trade restriction, they could still
ship their restoration cd along with the real McCoy if they wanted to.
The manufacturers say nothing because they too do not have the better
interests of the consumers in mind, they have other motives in mind, which
I might add is why companies are in business.

Their motive is to create profits, customer relations and to cut costs.
Technical support is a high expense and poor customer relations
(not having restore) does not lead to repeat customers.

But we all know what is going on with this and why none of the players
say anything or do anything about it. We know all too well who the losers
are in this game, we know who it is that pays the price. Surprising that
you could mention A-G in your post and not be censored, must be because
the wrong party was at the receiving end in my earlier posts ;-)

John

What is really going on is not what you erroneously think. Your (emotional?)
logic is flawed.

 

[John John]

You seem to think that having consumers to pay twice for their operating
system is an acceptable practice, lets face it, half of the folks who
get sucked in to buying and accepting computers with these crappy
restoration disks sooner or later end up having to go to the nearest big
box store and buying another Windows copy to properly service their
operating system, they have to pay twice for it! Let's not fiddle
around the issue, that is what happens and everybody knows it! Now you
put two and two together and figure out why the parties involve say
nothing about this, you figure out who gets paid twice! If the state
A-Gs need to get involved in this it won't be to protect manufacturers,
it will be to protect the consumers from the blatant collusion that is
happening with the sale of every new Windows computer!

Are there other goods that you think that consumers should have to pay
for twice for no good reasons?

John

 

[Unknown]

You are totally confused. I cannot think of a single large manufacturer that
ships an XP CD.
IBM, Dell, HP, Lenovo, name one. They each however provide a means to
restore the
computer to its 'shipped state'.
Consumers do not pay twice for their operating systems.
Where on earth do you get the fact that half of the people that buy these
computers go back and buy
another Windows copy?
You say that is what happens and everyone knows it. I DON'T KNOW THAT.
What's more it is a ridiculous statement and untrue. I can't think of a
single person in my groups
that have purchased 'another copy' of Windows. And there are many in my
groups.
Lets take a poll. See next post!

 

[Unknown]

Will everyone who had to buy another copy of Windows CD because they
couldn't
restore their computer please say so here

 

[Uncle Grumpy]

Microsoft has censored three of my posts in this thread so obviously
this is a pretty touchy subject for them, they don't want their
customers to know what is going on with this.

You're delusional if you think what you have to say is of importance
to MS.

And you're a moron if you think MS is censoring messages here.

This is a peer-to-peer group (common folks talking to common folks),
not an official MS group.

 

[John John]

This is turning into another one of your discussions where you
completely turn everything upside down. You really don't understand
what you read! The whole point of my posts was that large OEMs no
longer ship "real" windows cds with their computers, they only ship
crappy useless restore cds, then at the last minute you post that you
"...cannot think of a single large manufacturer that ships an XP CD."!
Well duh! Isn't that what I have said right from the start of my
"complain session"! Sheesh! Pay attention to what others write and
reread the posts before you reply!

To properly maintain a Windows installation these restore cd are
useless, so many of the people who got these disks with their computers
end up having to go out and buy real Windows cd, sooner or later they
need the real cd to properly service their Windows installation. The
consumers bought and paid for their license when they purchased the
computer and when they need the real real Windows cd they go at Walmart
or Best Buy and they pay for the license again!

It is something that we see over and over again in these groups and it
is something that those of us who repair computers for others often see,
people get tired of not being able to even do anything as simple as a
repair install, they are stuck with all or nothing disks that can only
wipe and return the computer to factory conditions! You were just
minutes ago having a discussion with another fellow on another
discussion group where he flatly said that to fix his Dell computer he
was going to have to go out and buy a real Windows cd. What is it that
you don't understand in the posts? On second thought don't bother
answering, because I see exactly where you are going with this, I have
seen it before...

John

 

[Unknown]

No, you have it twisted. You originally stated that for MS to allow
manufacturers to
NOT ship original CD's shows what MS thinks of their customers. (Charging
customers twice)
I said it would be illegal for them to edict that.
You disagreed. I said check with any corporate attorney.
Now you say that HALF the people who don't get the orig. CD end up buying
it. I completely disagree.
I pointed out that none of the big manufacturers ship the orig CD. Name one!
You are saying OEM only ship 'crappy, useless restore CD's. I disagree.
Where do you get the data that half of the buyers of OEM buy the original
Windows CD?
You infer that 50% of the people who buy a Dell, IBM, Lenovo, HP, etc. end
up buying
an original Windows CD. I COMPLETELY DISAGREE. If you misunderstand, I
mean that OEMs provide a means of restoration.

 

[Bob I]

I think you are presuming a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't exist. Why
should Microsoft force the vendor to include/create two different system
restore CD's for a single model of a PC? You don't think the crap would
hit the proverbial fan? As for the current methods, the vendor is going
to pick one that costs the least and provides a return to factory
status. It may have a whole bunch of 3rd party wares included that need
to be installed to receive the compensation. The net result is that the
consumer will be the determining factor as to what the PC vendor
supplies, not Microsoft. If the consumer demands a system disk, then the
consumer will get a system disk, it's merely a case of who will pay for
it. Once again Microsoft is not in that loop. You seem to be confused as
to what a company is in business for. Sell product and turn a profit.
The consumer will buy what they believe is the best value for the money,
and it is in the "best interest" of both to be happy with the trade. If
the consumer isn't happy, the company loses sales, no profit, not happy.
So there you have it, system works, occasionally an unhappy customer
that is handled on an individual basis, and everybody's happy except an
occasional malcontent that nobody can please. And believe me I've seen
those. As to censoring, this group isn't censored, unless something is
really out of whack as per terms of use.