Got me a USB2 butt-kickin'


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Flasherly

Migrated over to that Gigabyte G41MT-S2PT F2 (Intel x2 2.66). Looked
fine initially - problems anticipated largely weren't there.

Until I hit a wall with these Intel ICH7/8 chipset drivers. Looks
like the MB CD driver disk is shit, too. Damn header for Gibabyte's
menu is labeled VISTA, for one thing, does its own sys analysis, comes
up wanting to instal the USB drivers. Whereupon,

Shows an error:
x-isntall-cps
create process error

[strangely, vaguely related to ADOBE via a google search]

intel ich7/ich8 usb2 driver
5.1.2600.0
From Intel, that's an executable.

Broadest possible Gigabtye driver circulations are MB F2 revions 2.1,
and 2.0 -- note: these are chipset only (not LAN, Sound, Video).

Flashed the BIOS, and manually changed out MS generic (SP1 XP is the
first support for USB2 standards) "enhanced" USB drivers for those of
Intel ICH7/8 Family.

Still, a no go, got worried and installed a fresh XP/SP3. Worked like
a champ with Intel provisions within the MS install. So now I know
I've got a case of the crabs after screwing with system updates and
driver-cram for so long.

Sure wish I knew OS programming well enough to destroy all OS's USB
references, physically, irrovcably forcing, as it were, a way to get
these Intel drivers to take.

I'm getting USB 1.1 speeds until thinking up another angle of attack.
 
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Flasherly

forgot to add -

one wacked-out Gigabyte driver resource disc:

the drivers, some, are actually in large integrated database type
files called from the hardware "inspection" program. IOW - some
resources can't be manually obtained from that disc.

Never seen that ever before on MB disc.
 
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Paul

Flasherly said:
forgot to add -

one wacked-out Gigabyte driver resource disc:

the drivers, some, are actually in large integrated database type
files called from the hardware "inspection" program. IOW - some
resources can't be manually obtained from that disc.

Never seen that ever before on MB disc.

You should install a copy of the free 7ZIP, as it has
the ability to "burrow" into a lot of archive formats.

7ZIP still cannot deal with the 20 to 30 different "packers"
used for executables. But the driver package won't be using
those anyway. Packers are used by disreputable software
companies, to hide the details of any code they're installing.
(Packers are used more often, for hiding the functions in the
software, than they are for legitimate bandwidth-conserving
purposes during a download.)

*******

The deal with USB2, is Microsoft "owns" the USB driver. Hardware
companies are not allowed to bundle USB2 (the Microsoft files) with
their installers.

What does this mean ?

It means, when you download an Intel INFINST chipset installer
package, the so-called USB installer, immediately calls a
particular INF file already on your Windows OS, and Windows
installs the generic USB2 driver. So in fact, Intel contributes
*nothing* to the driver experience. All the "USB2 goodness"
comes from Microsoft. And using XP SP3, brings you up to date
as best as possible.

The only thing the Intel driver contributes, is it adds some
text strings to Device Manager for you, in the USB section.

*******

The situation on USB3 could be quite different, and I don't
have an overview of who provides what software, for that.
It's a mystery to me at the moment.

Paul
 
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generic name

You should install a copy of the free 7ZIP, as it has
the ability to "burrow" into a lot of archive formats.

7ZIP still cannot deal with the 20 to 30 different "packers"
used for executables. But the driver package won't be using
those anyway. Packers are used by disreputable software
companies, to hide the details of any code they're installing.
(Packers are used more often, for hiding the functions in the
software, than they are for legitimate bandwidth-conserving
purposes during a download.)

*******

The deal with USB2, is Microsoft "owns" the USB driver. Hardware
companies are not allowed to bundle USB2 (the Microsoft files) with
their installers.

What does this mean ?

It means, when you download an Intel INFINST chipset installer
package, the so-called USB installer, immediately calls a
particular INF file already on your Windows OS, and Windows
installs the generic USB2 driver. So in fact, Intel contributes
*nothing* to the driver experience. All the "USB2 goodness"
comes from Microsoft. And using XP SP3, brings you up to date
as best as possible.

The only thing the Intel driver contributes, is it adds some
text strings to Device Manager for you, in the USB section.

*******

The situation on USB3 could be quite different, and I don't
have an overview of who provides what software, for that.
It's a mystery to me at the moment.

Paul

microsoft owns the usb3 drivers for win8; don't know of any company
that provides win8 usb3 drivers. At least, intel, renasas, asmedia
siig states definitely that they are not providing usb3 drivers
because m$ took over the doing the win8 usb3 drivers.

And m$ did a crappy job on the win8 usb3 drivers as win8 on my desktop
doesn't work since it doesn't recognize the hard drive?????
Reason the desktop is back on win7 & listening to music from my usb3
attached 2 Tb hard disk.
 
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Flasherly

You should install a copy of the free 7ZIP, as it has
the ability to "burrow" into a lot of archive formats.

7ZIP still cannot deal with the 20 to 30 different "packers"
used for executables. But the driver package won't be using
those anyway. Packers are used by disreputable software
companies, to hide the details of any code they're installing.
(Packers are used more often, for hiding the functions in the
software, than they are for legitimate bandwidth-conserving
purposes during a download.)

*******

The deal with USB2, is Microsoft "owns" the USB driver. Hardware
companies are not allowed to bundle USB2 (the Microsoft files) with
their installers.

What does this mean ?

It means, when you download an Intel INFINST chipset installer
package, the so-called USB installer, immediately calls a
particular INF file already on your Windows OS, and Windows
installs the generic USB2 driver. So in fact, Intel contributes
*nothing* to the driver experience. All the "USB2 goodness"
comes from Microsoft. And using XP SP3, brings you up to date
as best as possible.

The only thing the Intel driver contributes, is it adds some
text strings to Device Manager for you, in the USB section.

*******

The situation on USB3 could be quite different, and I don't
have an overview of who provides what software, for that.
It's a mystery to me at the moment.

Paul

That sounds to disallow if I were to go back and do the same reinstall
I made mention with XP/SP3, with XPSP1, and determine if there's
hi-speed support. No support you're right. Support evident, then
I've gummed up SP1 subsequently over time [to a point where it
wouldn't pick up Intel ICH7/8 as opposed to a fresh SP1 that does].

Of course, pointless futility in the second instance and better if
resetting a whole OS install just to stick to SP3, as not to go
backwards.

Didn't look up the extensions, just that creation error (possibly tied
to ADOBE generators). . .

(And, btw- there is, may be, also another way to skin the fatted cat:
3rd party hardware add-on USB PCI card.)

Directory of Z:\
08/01/2007 03:16 AM <DIR> Antivirus
08/01/2007 03:16 AM <DIR> Audio
08/01/2007 03:16 AM <DIR> BootDrv
03/28/2007 06:15 AM 281,408 CheckVer.ocx
08/01/2007 03:16 AM <DIR> Chipset
07/20/2006 02:04 PM 98,304 DisWhql.dll
06/07/2007 04:40 AM 52,570 DriverCD.js
07/31/2007 03:38 AM 354,880 DriverCDHtml.ocx
06/21/2007 02:34 AM 203,328 GSetup.exe
09/14/2004 02:31 PM 299,008 JBrowser.exe
08/01/2007 03:16 AM <DIR> Network
08/01/2007 03:16 AM <DIR> Other
06/21/2007 02:31 AM 223,808 Run.exe
08/01/2007 03:16 AM <DIR> Utility
 
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Flasherly

(And, btw- there is, may be, also another way to skin the fatted cat:
3rd party hardware add-on USB PCI card.)

Another oddity. I set this Gigabyte up about three months ago, a
quick test bed, for a slab of Samsung SSD memory I'd ordered.

Can't say now I do remember testing the USB ports, although I did have
both SP1 and SP3 going viz an *nix boot arbitrator, Smart Boot
Manager. Thought I did. Also made binary images of both OS's for
roughing-in some SSD potential. Still have those original images on
the SSD, (set for a Hidden Partition for now), as a matter of fact.

Those images, now, one of them, the SP3 install, anyway, has since
puked all over since going back into this Gigabyte machine for more
work. Difference machine logic simply say: What did you do now,
dumb ass, that you didn't do then? Answer: I put in an high-end ASUS
Xonar soundcard, (whereas I hadn't turned on RealTek BIOS audio
support before, leaving out added driver bloat to the equation).

Maybe I had USB2 back then. Maybe I didn't even notice if I didn't.

Pulling out that Xonar soundboard and restoring the original OS, from
its binary, will be at least be a try to duplicate a working system, I
couldn't for some reason bring up this time (without a fresh SP3 OS
install).

Maybe, just maybe, USB2 was working then. I noticed through
run/cmd "msinfo32" - that the Xonar soundboard has hooked shared
resources with at least one IRQ on the USB devices. FWIW, though easy
enough to try and test w/out the Xonar for the sake of Lady Lucky.
 
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Flasherly

Another oddity.

Last oddity: I give up - You Win Microsoft. Special thanks to Intel
and Gigabyte.

Got SP1 to pickup, identify the Intel USB support chips as ICH7/10.
Interesting thing is even in MS Safe Mode -Do Not Load Drivers- w/
command prompt, MS still loads its USB driver detection routine and
reboots the computer for effectively shutting down USB2 (before I even
got a chance ever so slickly to slipstream Intel's in).

Let's see VISTA, that's the thingy on the titlebar menu to Gigabyte's
CD, what -- must be post XP or pre-Millennium. I sometimes get
confused with Mick Jagger's shrewd start up, becoming fertility for
all over Gates. Or was that the one nearby the press party to
introduce USB coming out, USB1.1 maybe, when the USB demonstration was
rendered impotent?

As for Gigabyte engineering assessments of Intel's USB
provisions/support - Very sweet product, a MB CD that flatassed errors
out, doesn't work except for going off into a circular loop of
self-congratulatory errors on XP. Keep up the good advertising. Sell
more like products over the widest platform and be prosperous. Give
yourself an at'a-boy on the house you Gigabtyle guys in Taiwan.

Well, since I now know MS owns USB, should about cover it. I can shut
up. That's just the way it is. Buy your chips within those
provisions, not Gigabyte's, nor Intel's -- (just maybe Rosewill's,
though).

Tell me. How you UNIX types like them apples, running without USB,
....do you get firewired, or something, or do MB manufacturers write
such drivers, maybe taking driver/program donations from the broader
"nix support communicity, adding them into the boxed MB as a
convenience feature? Know it's bigger now, *nix, with technologically
advanced Android cell phones, but last year, at the former PC stage 1
optimistically to maybe .5, or less, were on a *nix platform. Must
kinda cut into hardware selections and respective drivers available,
eh. . .
 
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Flasherly

Last oddity: I give up - You Win Microsoft.

Fixed. I win.

Went into a busted binary SP3 backup, that wouldn't boot, and pulled
the drivers out of System32 for comparison. Found the file
differences for the old SP1, with prior USB2 functionality, by
manually copying over the same SP3 files to replace the SP1 named file
revisions.

Although they still do show registered for offending prior-dated
versions --MS file listings were oddly cited for later revisions than
discrepancies by those actually provided SP1-- all important
functionality nevertheless has been restored, without USB device error
instances, to hual-ass status on hi-speed, quad-channel Class 10 USB
sticks.

What a joyful trip in learning this was with Gigabyte's/Intel ICH7/10
support drivers. (Found another MB disc, btw, besides the VISTA only,
ostensibly -- takes better to XP, though surprisingly no help there,
either -- gets the same results in a song/dance routine for breaking
USB2 down to USB1).

Too bad about blind bats flying to brick walls. Looks to be an
adequately built MB that didn't skimp on solid hardware components,
otherwise.
 

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