from eXPerience to an amature OS!

[carl feredeck]

Vista gives me the feeling of an amateur OS made by programmers that have no
experience in designing software.

Did Microsoft fire all the knowledgeable people who made the superb Win2k
and XP,
and brought in new blood right out of collage to work on vista?

Giving new opportunities to young people is good but unleashing an OS like
vista is a crime!

MS really blew it this time!

 

[NotMe]

They hired all the programmers fired from AOL.
Can't you tell by the 'don't let me customize' and 'protect me from myself
at all costs' "features"?
I liked the article from
http://www.computerworld.com/action...ewArticleBasic&articleId=9026940&pageNumber=1

 

[Mike]

Vista gives me the feeling of an amateur OS made by programmers that have no
experience in designing software.

Did Microsoft fire all the knowledgeable people who made the superb Win2k
and XP,

How soon we forget. 6 years ago XP was "buggy, insecure, bloated,
ugly, too much eye candy, incompatible, needs too much hardware for
decent performance" - the very same complaints we hear today about Vista.

Now, XP is "superb"! It's magically no longer "buggy, insecure,
bloated, ugly, too much eye candy, incompatible, needs too much hardware
for decent performance". Now it's the perfect OS!

Yes, Microsoft fired all the knowledgeable people who made the superb
Win2k and XP, and hired all the knowledgeable people who made the superb
Vista. These are the knowledgeable people who will be fired so
Microsoft can hire the knowledgeable people who will build the next
superb OS.

In case you still don't get it, Vista is only 6 months old! Every new
OS has problems. Come back in a year or so and we'll see where Vista
is.

Mike

 

[Guest]

I agree with Carl. If I have to watch that whirling circle while it works in
the background doing something (of what, I don't know) I'll scream. If I had
a dollar for all the times I manually rebooted the computer after waiting for
eternity for the whirling dervish to finish whatever it was doing, I'd be
rich enough to buy an Apple. I'd like it better if it wasn't so proprietary
and just took over whenever it wants to do whatever it wants to. I did slow
it down some by finally getting it to ask me before doing MS updates. I do
like it when it actually works and think I have been able to remove some junk
to make it work but when it wants to do its thing, the user takes the back
seat. Not very user friendly in my opinion. Maybe as has been suggested, in
6 months or a year (or 10) they may have it to the point where it will
actually do what I want it to do (after a zillion MS updates while I wait...).

 

[Brian]

Hi Carl,

in what way do you find the software amateurish? You made a very broad
statement without really relating it to anything specific issues.

Best regards,
Brian.

 

[Brian]

Hi RockCreekRocketman,

as far as the whirling circle goes, why not just change it back to the
hourglass (in Mouse Pointer options) as per previous versions of Windows? It
is easy enough to do.

What things are causing you issues? As in - what is causing you delays that
you wait forever for and maybe have to reboot? I am only asking out of
curiosity as I have had no problems (yet) and I am wondering what is in
store for me at a later date. I have noticed no instability in Vista in the
few weeks I have been using it. On the same computer system it is noticeably
slower than XP, that's for sure! There are some fiddly methods too, like
making a file shareable is FAR longer and more fiddly than doing it in XP.
Getting to System Restore is more fiddly too and to display settings. In
fairness though, the navigation in the address bar is fantastic and being
able to place any shortcuts you like at the left in Computer is terrific.
The features of the Photo Gallery (cataloguing, display options, etc) are
vastly superior to the equivalent or non-existent features in XP. There are
a lot of things that are better, far outweighing the drawbacks.

Overall, I think Vista is a nice step forwards. Just my take.

Best regards,
Brian.

 

[Adam Albright]

So we have to wait another five and a half years before Vista is half-way
decent? I'm sorry, but MS has been in the biz long enough that they should
be able to release a better product on launch.

Twenty one years and counting and Microsoft has yet to release any
version of Windows in it's initial release that wasn't buggy as hell.
The fanboy nitwits think that's fine. Talk about brainwashing.

Name just ONE other product any other non software company could
produce for over two decades and never quite get it right. They would
be laughed out of business.

 

[Richard Urban]

You can wait 5 1/2 years. I am 95% happy with Vista now. When SP1 is
released it will likely bump me closer to 100%.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

[GO]

How soon we forget. 6 years ago XP was "buggy, insecure, bloated,
ugly, too much eye candy, incompatible, needs too much hardware for
decent performance" - the very same complaints we hear today about
Vista.

Now, XP is "superb"! It's magically no longer "buggy, insecure,
bloated, ugly, too much eye candy, incompatible, needs too much
hardware for decent performance". Now it's the perfect OS!

Yes, Microsoft fired all the knowledgeable people who made the superb
Win2k and XP, and hired all the knowledgeable people who made the
superb Vista. These are the knowledgeable people who will be fired
so Microsoft can hire the knowledgeable people who will build the next
superb OS.

In case you still don't get it, Vista is only 6 months old! Every
new OS has problems. Come back in a year or so and we'll see where
Vista is.

Mike

So we have to wait another five and a half years before Vista is half-way
decent? I'm sorry, but MS has been in the biz long enough that they should
be able to release a better product on launch.

 

[Robert Firth]

It's an aimless attack. Besides, amateurs made Linux, right? It sounds like
Carl Feredeck is one of those people who support Linux, so coming from him
it might be a complement.

Robert Firth
http://www.winvistainfo.org

 

[Guest]

You had best get yourself employed by MS and write us the ultimate faultless
OS.
If you are in any way comparing Vista to Linux check out the fault log of a
linux machine and WOW.
--
Regards
Bob J
If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
another source,post back & let us know.
Then we all benefit.

 

[Shane Nokes]

Any Symantec Product would fit your bill.

Any McAfee product would fit your bill.

Any AOL product would fit your bill.

Any Ubisoft product would fit your bill

I could go on Adam, but do you really want me to?


There is no such thing as a bug free, perfect version of a product.

Every product has bugs and flaws, not every product is as scrutinized and
torn apart as Windows though.

Other than MacOS lately

 

[Shane Nokes]

Yes you'd be rich enough to buy an Apple PC and deal with just as many
issues.

I've had Macs hard-lock on me over 100 times before.

Also Macs are way more proprietary than standard PC's using
Windows/Unix/Linux, etc variants.

So if you'd like it better if it wasn't proprietary then why in the world
would you want any Apple product?


To me it sounds like you don't really have that much experience with
anything other than Windows.

If you did you'd know that it's a trade-off. For everything you gain on one
OS you lose 10 things from another at least.

 

[The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy]

How soon we forget. 6 years ago XP was "buggy, insecure, bloated,
ugly, too much eye candy, incompatible, needs too much hardware for
decent performance" - the very same complaints we hear today about Vista.

Now, XP is "superb"! It's magically no longer "buggy, insecure,
bloated, ugly, too much eye candy, incompatible, needs too much hardware
for decent performance". Now it's the perfect OS!

Yes, Microsoft fired all the knowledgeable people who made the superb
Win2k and XP, and hired all the knowledgeable people who made the superb
Vista. These are the knowledgeable people who will be fired so
Microsoft can hire the knowledgeable people who will build the next
superb OS.

In case you still don't get it, Vista is only 6 months old! Every new
OS has problems. Come back in a year or so and we'll see where Vista
is.

Mike

What Mike is saying is that Vista is imperfect now and you should not
try it or upgrade to it for at least 6 years because that's how long it
took for XP to improve enough. Makes sense to me Mike.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"They hacked the Microsoft website to make it think a linux box was a
windows box. Thats called hacking. People who do hacking are called
hackers."

"Only religious fanatics and totalitarian states equate morality with
legality."
- Linus Torvalds

 

[Guest]

Brian,
Actually, that was just a turn of a phrase. Whether a whirling circle or a
timer, I experience a death stop from time to time and can't determine what
causes it. It simply stops and just goes to the whirling circle. I would be
thrilled if I could determine what it was but obviously something is going on
in the background. I can't "ctrl/alt/del" with any success to see what it is
and clicking on anything else to try just makes me wait longer. Seems if I
go away and let it process through whatever it is doing and come back later,
all is well.

I did change the auto-Windows update to make it ask me first before starting
and that helped some. And I have altered the Start menu to keep some things
from starting that helped also. Generally, if I let it start and go through
it's paces for awhile before I want to use it, all is well. If I don't,
well, might as well go get a cup a joe. Either way I wait.

After it gets going, however, I do like the graphics and the way things
work. I don't really even mind it asking me a zillion questions. Like having
a buddy along for the ride. And truly, if I wanted a Mac, I would'a bought
one. Just frustration talking.

Thanks for the note.
Regards,

 

[Charlie Tame]

Brian,
Actually, that was just a turn of a phrase. Whether a whirling circle or a
timer, I experience a death stop from time to time and can't determine what
causes it. It simply stops and just goes to the whirling circle. I would be
thrilled if I could determine what it was but obviously something is going on
in the background. I can't "ctrl/alt/del" with any success to see what it is
and clicking on anything else to try just makes me wait longer. Seems if I
go away and let it process through whatever it is doing and come back later,
all is well.

I did change the auto-Windows update to make it ask me first before starting
and that helped some. And I have altered the Start menu to keep some things
from starting that helped also. Generally, if I let it start and go through
it's paces for awhile before I want to use it, all is well. If I don't,
well, might as well go get a cup a joe. Either way I wait.

After it gets going, however, I do like the graphics and the way things
work. I don't really even mind it asking me a zillion questions. Like having
a buddy along for the ride. And truly, if I wanted a Mac, I would'a bought
one. Just frustration talking.

Thanks for the note.
Regards,

Have you checked your drive properties to see if the "Index" box is checked?

God knows what it was doing but this simple setting on all of my drives
made a hell of a difference, and the indexing is about worthless anyway.

 

[Guest]

I did it. I'll see if it makes a difference. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Lang Murphy]

Vista gives me the feeling of an amateur OS made by programmers that have
no experience in designing software.

Did Microsoft fire all the knowledgeable people who made the superb Win2k
and XP,
and brought in new blood right out of collage to work on vista?

Giving new opportunities to young people is good but unleashing an OS like
vista is a crime!

MS really blew it this time!

Gee... that sounds familiar... like right after W2K was released... and
right after XP was released... What's your point? I see no specifics. (And,
yes, there are Vista specific issues... but you fail to disclose -your-
Vista specific issues.) This will no doubt generate replies that label me as
a fanboi and an MS apologist... but I'm neither. If all one does is cast
aspersions without specifics, then one is a troll. If one cares to share
his/her specifics, then one might open communications regarding how to
address those specific issues.

I've had lots of issues with Ubuntu. Do I go into the Ubuntu ng and proclaim
it crap? Uh, no?

Lang

 

[Mike]

So we have to wait another five and a half years before Vista is half-way
decent?

No, probably just a year or so, until the 1st SP.

I'm sorry, but MS has been in the biz long enough that they should
be able to release a better product on launch.

No complex software product launches perfect and bug-free. It's not
possible.

Mike

 

[Mike]

Twenty one years and counting and Microsoft has yet to release any
version of Windows in it's initial release that wasn't buggy as hell.

And each time the same people are whining about it. Why do you
*expect* an new OS to be bug free and perfect on release? It simply
is not possible.

Mike