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William Lefkovics [MVP]
Sorry... I am just bummed that I need a graphics accelerator video card to
play solitaire. I might actually have to get some work done now.
play solitaire. I might actually have to get some work done now.
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Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)
Awww, I really do feel sorry for you 
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MarchGDB
me too
Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) said:Awww, I really do feel sorry for you
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]
All the Games are written in WPF which based on Direct X, so it is
responsible for rendering the Game which depends on the Graphics card.
Learn more here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/greg_schechter/archive/2006/04/02/566767.aspx
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responsible for rendering the Game which depends on the Graphics card.
Learn more here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/greg_schechter/archive/2006/04/02/566767.aspx
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Edward Wohlman
I don't think the games are WPF, they are just plain DirectX.
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Zack Whittaker
Nah they are WPF based.
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Edward Wohlman
I just checked out the new FreeCell using Process Explorer.
Its not even running any managed code, and absolutely no sign of WPF.
It is using DirectSound, Direct3D, XInput, even MSXML6 but no .Net
assemblies and no sign of milcore either.
I didn't think they could be, since the games were already shipping in
versions of Vista that didn't come with the WinFX runtimes installed.
Very little of Vista uses .Net, only the MediaCenter shell and the event log
viewer that I have seen so far.
Its not even running any managed code, and absolutely no sign of WPF.
It is using DirectSound, Direct3D, XInput, even MSXML6 but no .Net
assemblies and no sign of milcore either.
I didn't think they could be, since the games were already shipping in
versions of Vista that didn't come with the WinFX runtimes installed.
Very little of Vista uses .Net, only the MediaCenter shell and the event log
viewer that I have seen so far.
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Zack Whittaker
Please take it from me - they are made using WPF. It's up to the machine
running the application to have WPF (or WinFX as a bundle) installed to get
the full "flavour" of the game itself.
It's made using WinFX (WPF), in Visual Studio 2005... take it from me)
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running the application to have WPF (or WinFX as a bundle) installed to get
the full "flavour" of the game itself.
It's made using WinFX (WPF), in Visual Studio 2005... take it from me
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Edward Wohlman
You do understand how to use ProcessExplorer don't you?
If I go to http://www.charlespetzold.com/blog/2006/04/NewtonsCradle.xaml I
get a nice animation of some swinging balls and I see in process explorer
that PresenationHost.exe is running using PresentationCore.dll,
PresentationFramework.dll, PresentationUI.dll and also mscorwks.dll
mscorlib.dll etc, in other words, a process running managed code and using
WPF.
If start up FreeCell.exe all I see is D3d9.dll, dsound.dll, gdiplus.dll,
msvcrt.dll, winmm.dll etc.
In other words an unmanaged process using DirectX.
Why do I need to "Take it from you" when I can already see exactly whats
running on my own machine?
If I go to http://www.charlespetzold.com/blog/2006/04/NewtonsCradle.xaml I
get a nice animation of some swinging balls and I see in process explorer
that PresenationHost.exe is running using PresentationCore.dll,
PresentationFramework.dll, PresentationUI.dll and also mscorwks.dll
mscorlib.dll etc, in other words, a process running managed code and using
WPF.
If start up FreeCell.exe all I see is D3d9.dll, dsound.dll, gdiplus.dll,
msvcrt.dll, winmm.dll etc.
In other words an unmanaged process using DirectX.
Why do I need to "Take it from you" when I can already see exactly whats
running on my own machine?
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Zack Whittaker
*sigh* because I know of the people who helped develop it - yeh a lot of it
was done internally, but other third-party programmers helped out as well on
some of them, especially ones like Chess.
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was done internally, but other third-party programmers helped out as well on
some of them, especially ones like Chess.
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Zack Whittaker
You know what, I give up. I'm not going to spend all my time saying "yes, it
was made using WPF" because you're obviously not going to listen - I've said
it, Andre's said it, what else do you want, a written statement by
Microsoft?
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was made using WPF" because you're obviously not going to listen - I've said
it, Andre's said it, what else do you want, a written statement by
Microsoft?
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Guest
How about an example of one of the games that uses PresentationCore.dll or
even mscorwks.dll?
It's very simple to understand, if is isn't using PresentationCore.dll then
it isn't using WPF.
even mscorwks.dll?
It's very simple to understand, if is isn't using PresentationCore.dll then
it isn't using WPF.
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Slugsie
Zack Whittaker said:
And if you read the link that Andre posted, you'll see quite clearly that
the in box games are written in DirectX.
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Edward Wohlman
Looks more like none of it was done internally. The Vista games were
outsourced to Oberon Games.
http://www.oberongames.com/
Vista games not made using WPF
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/?PROCESS=show&ID=20049348&AT=39218124-39024180t-30000029c
http://www.answers.com/topic/purble-place
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm?thread=74835&fp=1280,1024,1146622927234,20060502222207
Here are a couple of people who actually worked on them.
http://europe.casuality.org/html/ericTams.htm
http://www.brendanwalker.net/index.html
Chess doesn't use WPF either.
outsourced to Oberon Games.
http://www.oberongames.com/
Vista games not made using WPF
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/?PROCESS=show&ID=20049348&AT=39218124-39024180t-30000029c
http://www.answers.com/topic/purble-place
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm?thread=74835&fp=1280,1024,1146622927234,20060502222207
Here are a couple of people who actually worked on them.
http://europe.casuality.org/html/ericTams.htm
http://www.brendanwalker.net/index.html
Chess doesn't use WPF either.
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Edward Wohlman
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Adahn
so, Zack, you + Andre == a written statement by Microsoft - 1?
It'd help your stance more to provide some relevant technical reasoning
behind your argument, like Edward has for his, instead of this kindergarten
playground "is not, is TOO!"
It'd help your stance more to provide some relevant technical reasoning
behind your argument, like Edward has for his, instead of this kindergarten
playground "is not, is TOO!"