Files that did not defragment

[thufir]

Why won't these files defragment, pls?

Volume (C:
Volume size = 12,001 MB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7,215 MB
Free space = 4,786 MB
Percent free space = 39 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 16 %
File fragmentation = 32 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 41,193
Average file size = 243 KB
Total fragmented files = 8
Total excess fragments = 166
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 336 MB
Total fragments = 1

Directory fragmentation
Total directories = 1,964
Fragmented directories = 1
Excess directory fragments = 1

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 43,698 KB
MFT record count = 43,309
Percent MFT in use = 99 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

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Fragments File Size Files that did not defragment
2 47 KB \WINNT\security\logs\scepol.log
6 1 KB \WINNT\system32\config\software.LOG
2 1 KB \WINNT\system32\config\SECURITY.LOG
7 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\Administrator\ntuser.dat.LOG
2 812 KB \WINNT\ShellIconCache
5 2,352 MB \Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Desktop\FC3\FC3-i386-DVD.iso
thanks,

Thufir Hawat

 

[Rob Stow]

Why won't these files defragment, pls?

Volume (C:
Volume size = 12,001 MB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 7,215 MB
Free space = 4,786 MB
Percent free space = 39 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 16 %
File fragmentation = 32 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 41,193
Average file size = 243 KB
Total fragmented files = 8
Total excess fragments = 166
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 336 MB
Total fragments = 1

Directory fragmentation
Total directories = 1,964
Fragmented directories = 1
Excess directory fragments = 1

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 43,698 KB
MFT record count = 43,309
Percent MFT in use = 99 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

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Fragments File Size Files that did not defragment
2 47 KB \WINNT\security\logs\scepol.log
6 1 KB \WINNT\system32\config\software.LOG
2 1 KB \WINNT\system32\config\SECURITY.LOG
7 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\Administrator\ntuser.dat.LOG
2 812 KB \WINNT\ShellIconCache
5 2,352 MB \Documents and
Settings\Administrator\Desktop\FC3\FC3-i386-DVD.iso
thanks,

Thufir Hawat

Not sure why that last file wouldn't defrag - probably just
because it is too big.

The others are simply locked by the OS and you will have to do a
boot-time defrag to get those ones done.

 

[Rob Stow]

to do a



How does one do "a boot-time defrag"?

I'm posting your e-mail back into the newsgroup. That's what
newsgroups are all about - you ask a question, it gets replied
too, you ask follow-up questions, etc. It gives others a chance
to learn from the exchange or to make their own contributions.
It also gives others a chance to review and critique any answers
you are given.

Attempting to take this Q&A out of the newsgroup and into e-mail
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exception is when the discussion is going off-topic for the
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continue the off-topic discussion.

I doubt very much you intended to commit any netiquette foul and
I'm not trying to be a net nazi - I would just prefer that this
thread stay in this newsgroup and I wanted to explain why.


And now as to actual question ...

I should have said "off-line" rather than "boot-time", but in the
case of your C: partition an off-line defragmentation can only be
done at boot-time. For other partitions you may be able to do
an off-line defrag without rebooting.

How you do a boot time defrag depends on the defragging product
you are using. With PerfectDisk, for example, you can just start
up the application, right-click on one of the drive icons, and
select "Offline defragment".

I suggest you open up the defrag application and look in the help
for terms like "boot-time", "offline", "off-line", etc.

 

[CWLee]

I should have said "off-line" rather than "boot-time", but in the
case of your C: partition an off-line defragmentation can only be
done at boot-time. For other partitions you may be able to do
an off-line defrag without rebooting.

How you do a boot time defrag depends on the defragging product
you are using. With PerfectDisk, for example, you can just start
up the application, right-click on one of the drive icons, and
select "Offline defragment".

I suggest you open up the defrag application and look in the help
for terms like "boot-time", "offline", "off-line", etc.

I'm using the Microsoft defragmentation program that came
with Windows 2000, Pro version. I find no reference there
(on the screen or within help) to "boot-time", "offline", or
"off-line". Any other suggestions?

Thanks.

 

[Rob Stow]

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I'm using the Microsoft defragmentation program that came
with Windows 2000, Pro version. I find no reference there
(on the screen or within help) to "boot-time", "offline", or
"off-line". Any other suggestions?

At the time MS put that utility into W2K, Executive Software
had two non-server versions of their "Diskeeper" defragger - a
feature limited free trialware version and a fully featured
payware version.

The defragger in W2K was made by Executive Software and is the
functional equivalent of their trialware application. It is
feature limited in exactly the same ways - including the
inability to do an offline defragging.

Your options are to either live with the limitations of the
defragger that was installed by W2K, or to purchase a third party
defragger. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either PerfectDisk
by Raxco or Diskeeper by Executive Software.

 

[George Hester]

It is not neccessary to defrag those files and in fact can cause problems if done. The last one like Rob said
is questionable. Too big probably. And no it was never expected that ALL files could be 100% adjacent.
Not even a boot time defrag will do that and they explain why at the websites that specialize in this.
Remember for years Microsoft denied that NTFS required defrag anyway.

Maybe it would be more appropriate why you think it was necessary? Just using something you have and
didn't expect what you got?

 

[CWLee]

"Maybe it would be more appropriate why you think it was
necessary? Just using something you have and
didn't expect what you got?"

I rely on my adult son for computer advice, and he said it
is good to defrag now and then. I was not concerned that a
few files did not defrag, but was just curious. Then the
thread shifted to "offline" defragging, and that got beyond
my (system and mind)'s ability.

Thanks.

 

[thufir]

Rob Stow wrote:
[..]

I'm posting your e-mail back into the newsgroup. That's what
newsgroups are all about - you ask a question, it gets replied
too, you ask follow-up questions, etc. It gives others a chance
to learn from the exchange or to make their own contributions.
It also gives others a chance to review and critique any answers
you are given.

absolutely! BTW, a good google on this answers it without need to
re-ask

Attempting to take this Q&A out of the newsgroup and into e-mail
is generally bad usenet netiquette. The most common valid
exception is when the discussion is going off-topic for the
newsgroup *and* someone has invited you to move to e-mail to
continue the off-topic discussion.

I never received nor sent any e-mail on this. AFAIK I never tried to
take it to e-mail, nor to otherwise change the forum.

I doubt very much you intended to commit any netiquette foul and
I'm not trying to be a net nazi - I would just prefer that this
thread stay in this newsgroup and I wanted to explain why.

The reason I canceled the post was to avoid a bunch of RTFM responses,
which I tend to take a bit personal
no problem your with re-posting it, though.