Files not showing in webs with tilde ~

N

Nancy

For years we have had subwebs that begin with a tilde
(i.e. /~user) with no trouble. Now we can't see any of the
files or folders in these webs in FrontPage2000. These
files can be seen in the browser, just not in FrontPage.
We can still work in other subwebs if they don't have the
tilde. What happened and how do we fix it?
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Subweb are a function of the FP extensions. For years, have you had the FP
extensions installed on the server?

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N

Nancy

Thomas,

Yes, we've always used the FP extensions on two servers
and sub webs with tildes were no problem.

Nancy
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Ok, then most likely do the tightening of security in all MS products, this
has been changed via a recent service pack or update.

Has this ever work under FP2000?

What real benefit is there to having a ~ in the folder name?

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T

Thomas A. Rowe

Nancy,

When you say FP2000 can't see the subwebs, what do you actually mean that
you can't see them when you have the root web open in FP?

Which FP extensions are you running on the server?

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N

Nancy

When the root web is open in FP2000, we can see all the
subwebs listed, both with and without the ~. When we open
one of the subwebs that begin with the tilde, it opens in
a new FP2000 window, but no files or folders are visible.
If we open a subweb that does not have a ~, it looks
normal, with all the files and folders visible and
editable. This is happening on two different servers that
have never had this problem before.

It looks like we have server extensions version 4.0.2.2717.

Nancy
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Nancy,

I am working locally again a Windows 2000 server with all service pack,
however I have not install the IIS Lockdown application.

I can not duplicate this issue.

I am running FP2000 with all service packs installed, under Windows XP Home
I am running FP2000 server extensions, version 4.0.2.7802 (as seen from FP
Client)
I am running FP2000 server extensions, version 4.0.2.6513 (as seen from IIS
MMC Server Extensions tab for any web)


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W

Wally S

The advantage to having a tilde in the folder name is that it puts the
folder at the top of the list.

Wally S
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

So does an _underscore.

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S

Stefan B Rusynko

But since they are trying to use them as subwebs they can't create them as _hidden folders
- but all subweb are already at the top (above normal folders) so they don't need to use anything

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| So does an _underscore.
|
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|
| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
|
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| MS KB Quick Links, etc.
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| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| | > The advantage to having a tilde in the folder name is that it puts the
| > folder at the top of the list.
| >
| > Wally S
| >
| > | > > Ok, then most likely do the tightening of security in all MS products,
| > this
| > > has been changed via a recent service pack or update.
| > >
| > > Has this ever work under FP2000?
| > >
| > > What real benefit is there to having a ~ in the folder name?
| > >
| > > --
| > >
| > > ==============================================
| > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > >
| > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > ==============================================
| > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > >
| > > | > > > Thomas,
| > > >
| > > > Yes, we've always used the FP extensions on two servers
| > > > and sub webs with tildes were no problem.
| > > >
| > > > Nancy
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > >-----Original Message-----
| > > > >Subweb are a function of the FP extensions. For years,
| > > > have you had the FP
| > > > >extensions installed on the server?
| > > > >
| > > > >--
| > > > >
| > > > >==============================================
| > > > >Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > > > >WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| > > > >
| > > > >FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| > > > >MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| > > > >==============================================
| > > > >To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage
| > > > support see:
| > > > >http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > >
| > > > message
| > > > >| > > > >> For years we have had subwebs that begin with a tilde
| > > > >> (i.e. /~user) with no trouble. Now we can't see any of
| > > > the
| > > > >> files or folders in these webs in FrontPage2000. These
| > > > >> files can be seen in the browser, just not in FrontPage.
| > > > >> We can still work in other subwebs if they don't have
| > > > the
| > > > >> tilde. What happened and how do we fix it?
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >.
| > > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
N

Nancy

I understand why you are all saying the ~ isn't necessary,
except that's the way all these folders were set up and
they worked fine. To remove them now would be a massive
maintenance job and would break links all over the place.

I just don't see why they should have stopped working all
of a sudden.

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
But since they are trying to use them as subwebs they
can't create them as _hidden folders
- but all subweb are already at the top (above normal
folders) so they don't need to use anything
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

I agree it's a pain and wasn't recommending removing them, but you may have to

You need to try to find the OS / IE SP or patch (or new software installed) that has made them not visible in FP2000

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| I understand why you are all saying the ~ isn't necessary,
| except that's the way all these folders were set up and
| they worked fine. To remove them now would be a massive
| maintenance job and would break links all over the place.
|
| I just don't see why they should have stopped working all
| of a sudden.
|
| Nancy
|
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >But since they are trying to use them as subwebs they
| can't create them as _hidden folders
| >- but all subweb are already at the top (above normal
| folders) so they don't need to use anything
| >
| >--
| >
| >_____________________________________________
| >SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
| >"Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
| >To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| | >| So does an _underscore.
| >|
| >| --
| >|
| >| ==============================================
| >| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| >| WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| >|
| >| FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| >| MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| >| ==============================================
| >| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage
| support see:
| >| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >|
| >| | >| > The advantage to having a tilde in the folder name is
| that it puts the
| >| > folder at the top of the list.
| >| >
| >| > Wally S
| >| >
| >| > | >| > > Ok, then most likely do the tightening of security
| in all MS products,
| >| > this
| >| > > has been changed via a recent service pack or
| update.
| >| > >
| >| > > Has this ever work under FP2000?
| >| > >
| >| > > What real benefit is there to having a ~ in the
| folder name?
| >| > >
| >| > > --
| >| > >
| >| > > ==============================================
| >| > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| >| > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| >| > >
| >| > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| >| > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| >| > > ==============================================
| >| > > To assist you in getting the best answers for
| FrontPage support see:
| >| > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >| > >
| in message
| >| > > | >| > > > Thomas,
| >| > > >
| >| > > > Yes, we've always used the FP extensions on two
| servers
| >| > > > and sub webs with tildes were no problem.
| >| > > >
| >| > > > Nancy
| >| > > >
| >| > > >
| >| > > > >-----Original Message-----
| >| > > > >Subweb are a function of the FP extensions. For
| years,
| >| > > > have you had the FP
| >| > > > >extensions installed on the server?
| >| > > > >
| >| > > > >--
| >| > > > >
| >| > > > >==============================================
| >| > > > >Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| >| > > > >WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| >| > > > >
| >| > > > >FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
| >| > > > >MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| >| > > > >==============================================
| >| > > > >To assist you in getting the best answers for
| FrontPage
| >| > > > support see:
| >| > > > >http://www.net-
| sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >| > > > >
| >| > > > >"Nancy" <[email protected]>
| wrote in
| >| > > > message
| >| > > > >| >| > > > >> For years we have had subwebs that begin with
| a tilde
| >| > > > >> (i.e. /~user) with no trouble. Now we can't
| see any of
| >| > > > the
| >| > > > >> files or folders in these webs in
| FrontPage2000. These
| >| > > > >> files can be seen in the browser, just not in
| FrontPage.
| >| > > > >> We can still work in other subwebs if they
| don't have
| >| > > > the
| >| > > > >> tilde. What happened and how do we fix it?
| >| > > > >
| >| > > > >
| >| > > > >.
| >| > > > >
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| >
| >| >
| >|
| >|
| >
| >
| >.
| >
 
T

Todd

Thomas A. Rowe said:
I am working locally again a Windows 2000 server with all service pack,
however I have not install the IIS Lockdown application.

I can not duplicate this issue.

I am running FP2000 with all service packs installed, under Windows XP Home
I am running FP2000 server extensions, version 4.0.2.7802 (as seen from FP
Client)
I am running FP2000 server extensions, version 4.0.2.6513 (as seen from IIS
MMC Server Extensions tab for any web)

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for checking this out. I work with Nancy and am trying to help
diagnose the issue.

As a point of interest, the domain/~username convention was used during
a transition many years ago from a Unix web server to maintain link
integrity, and has been carried on ever since.

Through experimentation, we have confirmed the ~ in the web name is
apparently the only differentiating factor in this malfunction. Another
symptom is an error when trying to create a new subweb with a ~name from
Frontpage: "Server error: You cannot convert a virtual directory into a
subweb remotely." (The subject directory is definitely not a virtual
directory, but apparently FPSE thinks it is.)

I agree this is probably a security update issue, perhaps with a patch
that prevents tree-traversal or other similar vulnerabilities. However,
we've rolled back the updates that were done prior to this problem
appearing with no improvement. My hope was that an FPSE update would
help, but have noticed some oddities there that perhaps you or others
could help with.

As Nancy reported, the FPSE version appearing in IIS MMC Server
Extensions tab for our default web was 4.0.2.2717. Interestingly,
another top-level web had a different version number (4.0.2.4something).
I downloaded and installed FP 2000 SE release 1.3, and after reboot the
versions still reported the same. I ran the "Check Server Extensions"
process from the contextual menu on the default web, and the version
number still didn't update.

As an experiment, I removed the extensions from the other top-level web
(the one with the differing version number) using the MMC contextual
menu, and then reapplied them. The wizard asked about creating
permissions groups and so on, and after the setup was finished, the
version in the Server Extensions tab for that web is 4.0.2.7802.

From FP Client, the version for both the default web and this "test" web
show 4.0.2.7802.

Does the version number mismatch in IIS MMC indicate anything
meaningful? If it's possible this version disconnect is contributory to
this issue, is there a non-destructive way to remove and reapply the
server extensions to the default web and all subwebs, without the
existing permissions getting munged?

In any case, thanks for your input.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Todd/Nancy,

With my current setup (4.0.2.7802 / 4.0.2.6513), I created a "~test" folder
under a web, then converted it to a subweb with no problems seeing or
accessing it from FP2000.

Next using the same web with the "~test" subweb, on the server I
un-installed the FP2000 extensions, then re-apply them, so that now I have
the following (4.0.2.7802 / 4.0.2.7802) configuration on this web. Still no
problems seeing or accessing the "~test" subweb in FP2000.

If you have installed the IIS Lockdown application, that would be the only
thing that is different between my and your setup as far a very basic setup
goes.

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Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
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FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
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T

Todd

Thomas A. Rowe said:
If you have installed the IIS Lockdown application, that would be the only
thing that is different between my and your setup as far a very basic setup
goes.

And that we're running NT 4 SP6a and IIS 4.

We have not applied the IIS Lockdown application. However, we have
performed many of the NT4/IIS4 system hardening procedures outlined in
Microsoft security best practices documentation, which include actions
that the IIS Lockdown tool performs.

We have made an inquiry with Microsoft support directly on this issue,
and in the meantime are implementing a workaround using file shares. We
are also considering upgrading to Win2k or Win2k3 and the corresponding
version of IIS. If we find a solution on the current platform, I'll post
a summary.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Oops, didn't recall that you were running NT4/IIS4.

Also renaming your folders, may not really be as big as problem as you
think, depending on how your site is linked. Feel free to contact me offline
if you wish.

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