Extended usb printer cable/ where buy ?

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[Top posting corrected]
Reflection of a signal is just one cause of signal degradation. See
wikipedia
definition, which is about as good as any in the field of technology:
"Degradation (telecommunications), the loss of quality of an electronic
signal".

Whilst you are right in the grand scheme of things, the entire gamut of
degradation they discus is in reletively long transmission lines. A 5 metre
USB cable is a relatively short transmission line. Provided the cable is of
adequate specification, the main driver for limitation of length of cable is
reflections. If these could be eliminated (and they could be - if the users
were prepared to pay humungous amounts of cash for the terminations and
connectors), USB cables could be far longer than 5 metres before the other
factors come into play. Indeed the method of termination has to change
between USB1 speeds and USB2, because the simple resistive termination
technique used for USB1 speeds creates far too much reflection for USB2
speeds to reliably operate which has had to employ back termination. Of
course, if cable that is barely able to carry USB1 signals is employed to
carry USB2 signals then your point becomes very valid indeed..

We use serial bus systems for aerospace purposes and as long as the bus
segments are short, there are no problems. But our limit on bus segments is
far shorter than USB at just 5 feet, after which reflections can stop the
system working. Certainly none of the other factors applies to any
significant extent to the expensive highly specified cable at that short
length*. There are techniques that we have to use when a segment exceeds 10
feet to minimise reflections, but the method we use involves transformers
and resistors to absorb the reflections.

*In fact withf the reflections are properly controlled, the cable works
without problems when it runs the length of an entire Airbus A380 (bearing
in mind that the cable is unlikely to go in a straight line), though fibre
optics are taking over.
 
Frank-FL said:
Q1: How long of a cable can I use to connect my device?
A1: In practice, the USB specification limits the length of a cable between full speed devices to 5 meters (a little under 16 feet 5 inches). For a low speed device the limit is 3 meters (9 feet 10 inches).

The Cable Spec for 1.0 or 2.0 is 5 meters.
 
Does this mean that the reliability of airplanes in the US Govt contract with
Airbus depends on USB cables longer than 5 meters? I think Bill Gates should
get into bed with Boeing here to reverse the decision and manufacture special
USB cables in his castle basement while he counts his money a la Scrooge McDuck.
We do need Windows everywhere, after all, even up in the air to keep our
military navigating smoothly... Ben Myers

PS: Another top post, in case you didn't notice, you bottom-posting bigot!

[Top posting corrected]
Reflection of a signal is just one cause of signal degradation. See
wikipedia
definition, which is about as good as any in the field of technology:
"Degradation (telecommunications), the loss of quality of an electronic
signal".

Whilst you are right in the grand scheme of things, the entire gamut of
degradation they discus is in reletively long transmission lines. A 5 metre
USB cable is a relatively short transmission line. Provided the cable is of
adequate specification, the main driver for limitation of length of cable is
reflections. If these could be eliminated (and they could be - if the users
were prepared to pay humungous amounts of cash for the terminations and
connectors), USB cables could be far longer than 5 metres before the other
factors come into play. Indeed the method of termination has to change
between USB1 speeds and USB2, because the simple resistive termination
technique used for USB1 speeds creates far too much reflection for USB2
speeds to reliably operate which has had to employ back termination. Of
course, if cable that is barely able to carry USB1 signals is employed to
carry USB2 signals then your point becomes very valid indeed..

We use serial bus systems for aerospace purposes and as long as the bus
segments are short, there are no problems. But our limit on bus segments is
far shorter than USB at just 5 feet, after which reflections can stop the
system working. Certainly none of the other factors applies to any
significant extent to the expensive highly specified cable at that short
length*. There are techniques that we have to use when a segment exceeds 10
feet to minimise reflections, but the method we use involves transformers
and resistors to absorb the reflections.

*In fact withf the reflections are properly controlled, the cable works
without problems when it runs the length of an entire Airbus A380 (bearing
in mind that the cable is unlikely to go in a straight line), though fibre
optics are taking over.
 

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