Epson sucks

[Eyron]

Long time Epson user here.
I had a 870 and a 890
clogs, clogs ,clog with both oem and 3rd party inks

Now have a canon i950.
Better prints.
No clogs.
No color casts.
Easy to refil.

Epson sucks

 

[Mark Herring]

Yes, Epsons sometime ahve clogging issues, but my reading of the
various groups says there are ways to avoid the issue.

I'm getting very nice results from both photo900 and 1280. (The
results definitely do not "suck".

Good for you on the Canon--I hear good things about them.

 

[Billy Goat Gruff]

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there Eyron,

For myself, I've had a Stylus 600 and more recently a C80 (both Epson of
course). Same as you with the clogging etc, having to do a clean EVERY time
I used it.
Finally threw the C80 in the bin and bought myself a Canon i560 last month.
WOW what a difference, same improvements as with your i950. My Epson scanner
still works fine though so I'd have to correct your last phrase to....

Epson PRINTERS suck

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?BenOne=A9?=]

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there Eyron,

For myself, I've had a Stylus 600 and more recently a C80 (both Epson of
course). Same as you with the clogging etc, having to do a clean EVERY time
I used it.
Finally threw the C80 in the bin and bought myself a Canon i560 last month.
WOW what a difference, same improvements as with your i950. My Epson scanner
still works fine though so I'd have to correct your last phrase to....

Epson PRINTERS suck

I've not had that problem with my 5 year old Epson Photo 700.

I have had to clean the heads a few times, but not every time I use it - maybe
twice a year.

 

[Larry Lynch]

I've not had that problem with my 5 year old Epson Photo 700.

I have had to clean the heads a few times, but not every time I use it - maybe
twice a year.

I had a few Epsons, starting with the Stylus 600, and
they have been a "mixed bag" as far as clogs are
concerned.

I own 2 right now, a Stylus Photo 825 and a Stylus Photo
785 EPX.

The EPX cant seem to EVER print without a few cleaning
cycles first. The 825 has never (yet) needed any more
than a prime cycle after putting in a fresh cartridge.

Both have seen the same amount of service, and have
produced the same number of prints (HUNDREDS) but the
785 EPX has used twice as much ink because of the
cleaning cycles.

Go figure.

 

[Old Nick]

On 14 Jan 2004 23:16:19 -0800, (e-mail address removed) (Mark Herring)
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

Having a clogged Epson, (I feel that while it's nice to find ways
around the problems, it was not until I had the printer and started
getting trouble that I found out about the trouble I already had. <G>.
What I mean is, it should not have to be some sort of arcane procedure
to avoid a stuffed printer.

Yes, Epsons sometime ahve clogging issues, but my reading of the
various groups says there are ways to avoid the issue.

**************************************************** sorry
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

I was frightened by the idea of a conspiracy that was
causing it all.
But then I was terrified that maybe there was no plan,
really. Is this unpleasant mess all a mistake?

 

[Old Nick]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:52:02 GMT, BenOne© <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

Sorry, not having a go at you, but that's the trouble. Anybody who
says "I have a 6 year old printer that works well" is not helping. The
printers have changed in quality (an IMO the amount of profiteering
going on) that the infoirmation means little to somebody lookig at a
new printer.

For a start, try "cleaning the heads" on a really new Epson....:-<

I've not had that problem with my 5 year old Epson Photo 700.

I have had to clean the heads a few times, but not every time I use it - maybe
twice a year.

--

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remove ns from my header address to reply via email

I was frightened by the idea of a conspiracy that was
causing it all.
But then I was terrified that maybe there was no plan,
really. Is this unpleasant mess all a mistake?

 

[Kennedy McEwen]

On 14 Jan 2004 23:16:19 -0800, (e-mail address removed) (Mark Herring)
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

Having a clogged Epson, (I feel that while it's nice to find ways
around the problems, it was not until I had the printer and started
getting trouble that I found out about the trouble I already had. <G>.
What I mean is, it should not have to be some sort of arcane procedure
to avoid a stuffed printer.

You can run any procedure you like with any piece of equipment you own,
but if it doesn't comply with the manufacturers requirements then,
sooner or later, it will leave you high and dry. Try filling your SUV
with cheap heating oil - or just ignore the service requirements - and
see where it leaves you. No matter how idiot proof they make the
printers, there's always a better idiot out there!

 

[Kennedy McEwen]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:52:02 GMT, BenOne© <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

Sorry, not having a go at you, but that's the trouble. Anybody who
says "I have a 6 year old printer that works well" is not helping. The
printers have changed in quality (an IMO the amount of profiteering
going on) that the infoirmation means little to somebody lookig at a
new printer.

Yes, they have improved substantially in that time and new Epsons suffer
a LOT less from clogging that 6 year old ones!

For a start, try "cleaning the heads" on a really new Epson....:-<

In what way do you think the head cleaning is any different on "really
new" Epson printers from those which are 6 (or more!) years old?

 

[Safetymom123]

I have new Epsons and old ones and never had a problem with clogging on any
of them. I keep the printer turned off by the power button until I need to
print. Many people leave their printers on all the time and that seems to
be the ones that have lots of problems with clogging. By keeping it turned
off until you are ready to print you won't have as long a cleaning cycle as
one that is left one all the time.

Reading the manual usually helps too!!!

 

[Ayaz Ahmed Khan]

"Eyron" typed:

Long time Epson user here.
I had a 870 and a 890
clogs, clogs ,clog with both oem and 3rd party inks

Now have a canon i950.
Better prints.
No clogs.
No color casts.
Easy to refil.

I wouldn't say. My ESC 480 loyally served me for over four years,
given that I had used, for the most part, average quality ink
re-fills.

 

[Martin]

I have an 890 and although I have to do the occassional clean cycle, I have
not really had any clogs as such. The most important piece of advice is to
make sure that you turn the printer off via its power off button and not via
a power strip or any other method.

Martin

 

[Malev]

Epson sucks

And swallows (ink)

 

[Old Nick]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:29:02 +0000, Kennedy McEwen
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

Stop being so high and mighty and show me in the manual where it
details the troubles people are getting with their printers, or that
if you clog the heads, the printer is toast, or that if the ink runs
out in one colour you cannot print, or refill the colour.

My last printer (an HP) was cheaper to run and more idiot proof than
this one. It also cost a lot more. It did have some problems, beyond
my knowledge or control, that made me try Epson. So far I have not
been on a winner as far as I can tell.

Even then, show me a place that will let me read the manual in the
first place, before I buy the printer.

The manufacturers' requirements in these cases seem largely to have a
printer that lasts one set of cartridges, unless you are very lucky,
or bugger the first one, then learn all the tricks, then buy the same
model and get it right, and get lucky again.

Comparing cars with printers is dangerous, for various reasons:

- One is that cars are much more complex, and operate in a far wider
and more agressive environment, than most printers. They also have
tiny tolerances, and these days have tiny nozzles and such. But they
keep going in the vast majority of cases, under often terrible
conditions.

- Another is that I, and many, many other people, have at some time or
another grossly abused motor vehicles and other machinery, and it has
gone on going with the absolute minimum of maintenance. These printers
are not going _near_ that. Even with such foul treatment, most
failures have coime later rather than sooner. With printers, this is
not so.

- any motor vehicle is a major investment, upon which I depend for my
convenience, my work, and often ny life. I expect it to need some
work. I place a printer about on a par with my vacuum cleaner as far
as importance in my life. That is the level of care it should get, and
the level of failure it should have (that is, easily repairable) if I
neglect to clean the filter or change the bag. If the maintenace and
care of my car, in time or money, started to get to a point where it
vastly overshadowed the usefulenss or price of the vehicle, I would be
pissed off.

- the difference in cost per kilometre between good oil and heating
oil........oh sorry, you mean _running_ it on heating oil. I have not
done the equivalent of that to my printer. I have run it on ink sold
as being suitable for the purpose. It was cheaper, but so it damned
well should be, at the cost of original stuff.
- in reply I say that if the first tank of petrol cost half as much
as the car, so that fueling the car overran the capital and other
costs in the first few trips, then people would be asking about
heating oil mods, believe me!

So leave SUVs out of it. It is not a parallel in any useful way.

I have done nothing _to_ this printer to make it stop working, except
apparently to not get it _exactly_ right at all times. It should be
tougher than that.

You can run any procedure you like with any piece of equipment you own,
but if it doesn't comply with the manufacturers requirements then,
sooner or later, it will leave you high and dry. Try filling your SUV
with cheap heating oil - or just ignore the service requirements - and
see where it leaves you. No matter how idiot proof they make the
printers, there's always a better idiot out there!

These printers are far from idiot proof.

I resent the implication that I am an idiot. It's the sort of thing
jerks say on these groups.
**************************************************** sorry
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

I was frightened by the idea of a conspiracy that was
causing it all.
But then I was terrified that maybe there was no plan,
really. Is this unpleasant mess all a mistake?

 

[Old Nick]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:50:48 GMT, "Safetymom123"
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

Yes. I left my printer on. Oh woe is me! No I did not realise this.
No I did not know that I should not print one page at a time because
this uses heaps of ink by cleaning. One page at a time is how I
usually print!

Maybe the amount of cleaning has not changed. But in that case the
tank sizes sure have, without lowering the price. I know my HP did not
cost as much to run, by a long chalk.

Does it _say_ all that in the manual?

According to you oh so perfect ....people, I am an idiot, or a fool,
because I did not baby my day-to-day, used once per week maybe, cheap
_printer_. I am a casual user, who is rather surprised by all the fuss
to run....a printer. That puts me in common with a hell of a lot of
people as far as I can see. This thing should not need to be that
bloody hard to keep in order.

Whether I turned it off or not, cleaning was using up at least as much
ink as printing for me as a casual user. It still got clogged. It
makes the cost per page a joke, clogged or not. Maybe it was clogged
because I used after-market ink, as has been suggested. Maybe it would
have clogged anyway. In any event, if the originals did not cost such
ridiculous amounts, then maybe aftermarket ripoffs would not be
around.

sheesh!

I have new Epsons and old ones and never had a problem with clogging on any
of them. I keep the printer turned off by the power button until I need to
print. Many people leave their printers on all the time and that seems to
be the ones that have lots of problems with clogging. By keeping it turned
off until you are ready to print you won't have as long a cleaning cycle as
one that is left one all the time.

Reading the manual usually helps too!!!

**************************************************** sorry
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

I was frightened by the idea of a conspiracy that was
causing it all.
But then I was terrified that maybe there was no plan,
really. Is this unpleasant mess all a mistake?

 

[NCHA]

I have new Epsons and old ones and never had a problem with clogging on any
of them. I keep the printer turned off by the power button until I need to
print. Many people leave their printers on all the time and that seems to
be the ones that have lots of problems with clogging. By keeping it turned
off until you are ready to print you won't have as long a cleaning cycle as
one that is left one all the time.

Reading the manual usually helps too!!!

I have tried to "kill" my Epson's, Leaving it on for weeks and not
printing, unplugging it to turn it off, running at least 3 reams of paper
threw it without stopping.. Hell I have run my CX5200 all in one so hard
that I have had to relube the bar that the carriage head rides on twice!
Only one time have I had to clean the heads, and that was when I took it out
of the box.

 

[Kennedy McEwen]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:29:02 +0000, Kennedy McEwen
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

Stop being so high and mighty and show me in the manual where it
details the troubles people are getting with their printers,

The troubleshooting guide, starting on page 55 of my printer's manual -
YMMV!

or that
if you clog the heads, the printer is toast,

It doesn't, because it isn't - you just need to learn to clean them and
keep them from drying out: instructions on page 50 of the same location
as above.

or that if the ink runs
out in one colour you cannot print, or refill the colour.

Page 60, same location.

My last printer (an HP) was cheaper to run and more idiot proof than
this one.

Sounds like it needed to be!

Even then, show me a place that will let me read the manual in the
first place, before I buy the printer.

Amongst others there is
http://www.epson.co.uk/support/manuals/index.htm
or
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/SupportProductCategory.jsp?BV_
UseBVCookie=yes&oid=-10237&infoType=Doc
or, if you read Japanese, at
http://www.i-love-epson.co.jp/products/printer/inkjet/colorio/printer.htm

But since you are clearly a troll you'll find the Norwegian versions of
the manuals at http://www.epson.no/technical/manuals/

Now crawl back into your cave, FOAD!

 

[Kennedy McEwen]

Yes. I left my printer on. Oh woe is me! No I did not realise this.

Does it _say_ all that in the manual?
YES!

According to you oh so perfect ....people, I am an idiot, or a fool,

If the cap fits, wear it. having squeezed your enormous troll skull
under it, crawl back into your cave, then FOAD!

Some things are just to stupid to own Epson, or any other, printers.

 

[Joel]

Long time Epson user here.
I had a 870 and a 890
clogs, clogs ,clog with both oem and 3rd party inks

Now have a canon i950.
Better prints.
No clogs.
No color casts.
Easy to refil.

Epson sucks

Good for you! and I hope Canon won't sux cuz who knows what will be the
next suxer (the newer printer or the operator) <g>

 

[CecilWilliams]

Regarding Epson printers clogging up, I've owned several Epsons
starting with the Stylus 400 Color and currently a Stylus Photo 1270
and Photo 820. What I have found, consistently over the past few
years, is that my home photo printer NEVER clogs, and my office photo
printer is always clogged, to the point of being unusable most of the
time. The difference is in the environment. My home printer is in a
cool (50-65 degreesF) humid basement computer room, and my office
printer is in a warm, sometimes hot (72-90F), low-humidity office. My
home printer is almost always left turned on and ready to go.
Sometimes I don't print for weeks, and it still is not clogged. My
office printer is guaranteed to be clogged and unusable on a Monday
morning if left on over the weekend and always in the hot summer
months...

To resolve a cloogging problem on my office printer, the strategy I've
found works best is to run one cleaning cycle (that almost never works
right away)and then let it sit for an hour or more. Then run another
cleaning cycle, and let it set again for at least an hour or
preferably more. If that still doesn't work, run a third cleaning
cycle and let it set over night. An outrageous solution, yes, but this
has always resolved my toughest Epson printer clogging problems.
YMMV...


- Cecil