Epson cartridge nozzle film

[Beemer]

I'm getting fuzzy edges on text and on investigating I see that the edge of
the pierced protective film is ragged. Removing this film cures the
problem. This has happened on three occasions always on the black
cartridge.

Is there any reason why I should not remove the film when I change the Epson
brand cartridge?

Beemer

 

[Mr Hanky Poo]

I'm getting fuzzy edges on text and on investigating I see that the edge of
the pierced protective film is ragged. Removing this film cures the
problem. This has happened on three occasions always on the black
cartridge.

Is there any reason why I should not remove the film when I change the Epson
brand cartridge?

Beemer

hmm good question, i've also wondered about the same thing. The only
thing i can think of, since i haven't changed my cartridges in a while,
would be that more ink flow would result of it? Other than that, if its
a sealed contact with the ink dispensing mechanism, i don't think there
would be a problem.

 

[Davy]

Jeepers no one replied yet...?
Well first of all fuzzy edges on text, thats called feathering varies
with printer models, could also be due to ink and paper type...do you
use inkjet paper which is coated..? Looks like printing on blotting
paper but not as bad eh..!

Epson cartridges has a clear tape looking film stuck over the nozzles
for a very good reason, when you insert the cartridge....hopefully
the nozzle will peirce this film as it is pushed into the end of the
cartridge and suppose help to 'air seal' the connection, like a
rubber gasket if you will.

Am I right folks.....?

Davy

 

[Tony]

Jeepers no one replied yet...?
Well first of all fuzzy edges on text, thats called feathering varies
with printer models, could also be due to ink and paper type...do you
use inkjet paper which is coated..? Looks like printing on blotting
paper but not as bad eh..!

Epson cartridges has a clear tape looking film stuck over the nozzles
for a very good reason, when you insert the cartridge....hopefully
the nozzle will peirce this film as it is pushed into the end of the
cartridge and suppose help to 'air seal' the connection, like a
rubber gasket if you will.

Am I right folks.....?

Davy

Davy
I doubt it (just this once <g>).
I suspect the film is unimportant, I have often removed them if they were
ragged when inspecting cartridges and printheads. I believe the printer relies
on the rubber like seals that are on the head.
Having said that I am surprised that removing it also removes any print
blemishes, I cannot see how that could happen. I think you are nearer the mark
with ink/paper compatibility.
Tony

 

[Beemer]

| (e-mail address removed) (Davy) wrote:
| >Jeepers no one replied yet...?
| >Well first of all fuzzy edges on text, thats called feathering varies
| >with printer models, could also be due to ink and paper type...do you
| >use inkjet paper which is coated..? Looks like printing on blotting
| >paper but not as bad eh..!
| >
| >Epson cartridges has a clear tape looking film stuck over the nozzles
| >for a very good reason, when you insert the cartridge....hopefully
| >the nozzle will peirce this film as it is pushed into the end of the
| >cartridge and suppose help to 'air seal' the connection, like a
| >rubber gasket if you will.
| >
| >Am I right folks.....?
| >
| >Davy
|
| Davy
| I doubt it (just this once <g>).
| I suspect the film is unimportant, I have often removed them if they were
| ragged when inspecting cartridges and printheads. I believe the printer
relies
| on the rubber like seals that are on the head.
| Having said that I am surprised that removing it also removes any print
| blemishes, I cannot see how that could happen. I think you are nearer the
mark
| with ink/paper compatibility.
| Tony
|
Sorry to have totally misinterpreted the problem. I had a brain flip and
still was thinking of my other printer which is an HP and had jets in the
print heads which of course the Epson does not. Problem reoccured and with
my correct brain I removed the fuzz from around the wiper near the drain
tray and problem disappeared.
New problem now being separately reported!

Thanks,

Beemer

 

[digisol]

Epson work OK BUT never change to non genuine ink, for one you voi
the warranty, "I know that from personal experience", i
the print head is blocked, it's cheaper to buy a new printer, th
canon Pixma ip4000 or higher series work OK

Seperate ink tanks is a must have these days

My old Epson had a good life until I got slack and bought cheap in
tanks, it lasted 1 day and a new print head was near $300, you ca
get a pretty good new printer for $250 or much less, an ip3000 can b
had for $150

 

[Jan Alter]

Epson work OK BUT never change to non genuine ink, for one you void

the warranty, "I know that from personal experience", if
the print head is blocked, it's cheaper to buy a new printer, the
canon Pixma ip4000 or higher series work OK.

First, in my experience I have not encountered the problem of one's warranty
being voided for using third party inks from Epson, nor have I read that in
any Epson warranty. If Epson can prove that whatever problem has arison was
a result of the ink then that's a different story. There is a difference in
the way one says this.
But even further, your inference that third party ink should not be used
with an Epson is incredulous from my experience with these printers for the
past fourteen years. After the OEM runs out I've used nothing but third
party inks with complete success on more than fifty Epson 740 and 880
printers, at our school and currently am testing third party dye-base ink on
three (new-taken out of the box) C-84 printers because the Epson OEM ink
previously caused five other C-84 printers to clog and become trash for the
dump. If you don't know the story behind Epson's Dura-brite inks then I
would suggest you do some research before recommending anyone with a printer
use it.
Third party ink from quality sources, equals and often exceeds what Epson
has to offer. It is easy to make a generalization to catch the masses. It is
far better to give facts that support those theories, and not just from one
experience.

Seperate ink tanks is a must have these days.

Well, that's your opinion, and I can respect that.

 

[Davy]

When I had troubles with the C62's yonks ago I was told that I shoul
leave the clear film over the exit nozzle on the ink tanks on fo
that very reason, it was stressed that I should never remove them
not that I had of course, but you do tear away the yellow strip o
top to uncover the breathing vent

So who's telling me porkies...?

Dav

 

[digisol]

Jan, read the warranty, all of it, I have owned 2 Epson printers, on
was as said fitted with non genuine inks that did not agree with th
genuine ink, blocking the print head, the other had an electrica
malfunction out of warranty

Once sent away for warranty service I received an email stating tha
as they found non genuine ink in the print head no warranty would b
honored, end of subject, what part of that is hard to understand
all inks are not the same, and considering that I put the genuine in
tanks back in before returning the printer, YES, they obviously ca
tell the difference

Having said I have personally been there is not BS as I gain nothin
by teling you that, there is a section in the warranty fine prin
stating that use of non genuine inks is classified as modifying th
printer, which is a giant no no and thus voids the warranty

If ya don't beleive me simply call Epson

That should be fairly simple, YES they obviously can tell th
difference between the ink it should have and what is actually i
it

As for this clear film ? most ink tanks have a cover over the exi
with a strip of thin metal tape, that is sealed so the ink tank last
in storage, it's also sealed on the top, both need to be removed
pretty easy stuff, after all the info on how to do it is on th
packaging

Some ink is rubbish, plain and simple, and while some printers ca
handle cheaper alternatives, others can not, the Epson is one that i
very fussy with ink types, while on the other hand I still have an OL
BJC4000 that has been refilled over and over with "Quink
black fountain pen ink and it still works fine, it simply can't b
killed

Buying ink cheap may help your bank balance immediately but it is no
recomended for all printers, a print head costs more than a ne
printer, remember the Epson I had the dramas with never ran out o
ink, it was just low and was replaced with Calidad ink refills, no
cheap Ebay rubbish, and as was stated it lasted 1 day before th
print head partially blocked up and just got worse from there to th
point it printed only 10% of any given letter

Read the Epson warranty, it has not changed, but get out the glasses
it's in fine print

 

[Frank]

Jan, read the warranty, all of it, I have owned 2 Epson printers, one
was as said fitted with non genuine inks that did not agree with the
genuine ink, blocking the print head, the other had an electrical
malfunction out of warranty.

Once sent away for warranty service I received an email stating that
as they found non genuine ink in the print head no warranty would be
honored, end of subject, what part of that is hard to understand ?
all inks are not the same, and considering that I put the genuine ink
tanks back in before returning the printer, YES, they obviously can
tell the difference.

Having said I have personally been there is not BS as I gain nothing
by teling you that, there is a section in the warranty fine print
stating that use of non genuine inks is classified as modifying the
printer, which is a giant no no and thus voids the warranty.

If ya don't beleive me simply call Epson.

That should be fairly simple, YES they obviously can tell the
difference between the ink it should have and what is actually in
it.

As for this clear film ? most ink tanks have a cover over the exit
with a strip of thin metal tape, that is sealed so the ink tank lasts
in storage, it's also sealed on the top, both need to be removed,
pretty easy stuff, after all the info on how to do it is on the
packaging.

Some ink is rubbish, plain and simple, and while some printers can
handle cheaper alternatives, others can not, the Epson is one that is
very fussy with ink types, while on the other hand I still have an OLD
BJC4000 that has been refilled over and over with "Quink"
black fountain pen ink and it still works fine, it simply can't be
killed.

Buying ink cheap may help your bank balance immediately but it is not
recomended for all printers, a print head costs more than a new
printer, remember the Epson I had the dramas with never ran out of
ink, it was just low and was replaced with Calidad ink refills, not
cheap Ebay rubbish, and as was stated it lasted 1 day before the
print head partially blocked up and just got worse from there to the
point it printed only 10% of any given letter.

Read the Epson warranty, it has not changed, but get out the glasses,
it's in fine print.

That's pure unadulterated bullshit if you reside in America. Please show
us where in the Epson warranty is says explicitly, that non-Epson Inks
(in those exact words) will void the warranty.
No lies.
Frank

 

[digisol]

Read it (especially the last line) and weep

Warranty Exclusions
This Warranty will not apply if during the warranty period

A Product's serial number or any rating label is removed or changed i
any way;
A Product is repaired other than by a Service Agent;
You use a Product contrary to any technical or operating environmen
guidelines recommended in its user guide or manual;
A part in your Product, (including without limitation the waste pads)
reaches the end of its service life;
A Product's malfunction or failure results from:

deliberate or accidental damage;
neglect or modification;
incorrect voltage or a power surge; or
your use of any non-genuine consumables, software, parts, accessorie
or interfacing

OUCH ! :eek

 

[Tony]

When I had troubles with the C62's yonks ago I was told that I shoulf
leave the clear film over the exit nozzle on the ink tanks on for
that very reason, it was stressed that I should never remove them,
not that I had of course, but you do tear away the yellow strip on
top to uncover the breathing vent.

So who's telling me porkies...?

Davy

Probably no-one Davy. Just opinions is my guess.
Tony

 

[Frank]

Read it (especially the last line) and weep.

Warranty Exclusions
This Warranty will not apply if during the warranty period:

A Product's serial number or any rating label is removed or changed in
any way;
A Product is repaired other than by a Service Agent;
You use a Product contrary to any technical or operating environment
guidelines recommended in its user guide or manual;
A part in your Product, (including without limitation the waste pads),
reaches the end of its service life;
A Product's malfunction or failure results from:

deliberate or accidental damage;
neglect or modification;
incorrect voltage or a power surge; or
your use of any non-genuine consumables, software, parts, accessories
or interfacing.

OUCH !

Wrong! The Epson warranty will not cover "damage caused by non-oem
products". The key wording here is ..."damaged caused by"....
If you're stupid enough to let some low level phone jerk buffalo you in
to believing that the non-oem ink you used damaged your Epson printer,
then you deserve what you got.
I've used Epson printers for over 10 yrs now and have sent three of them
back under warranty, with non-oem carts still in them. Only once did I
have a phone hack try to blow by me the "non-oem" corp bullshit line. My
answer was,â€according to your written warranty, you must prove that the
non-oem product I used caused the damageâ€. Are you willing to dothat?
If yes then you must send me the independent lab report that verifies
that my use of non-oem ink caused the damage so my lawyer can review it,
ok? You must also make the printer available should my lawyer want to
have another lab test it to verify your results.
The phone hack said…â€hold on a min pleaseâ€â€¦after a short time he
returned and said…"uhhh...we’ll send you a referb model".No problem.
The warranty is written to scare unknowing people...like you. The major
printer companies don’t ever want to go to court having to prove non-oem
ink damages their printers. Because they already know it doesn’t.They
know you don’t have to be a ****in rocket scientist to correctly
formulate ink. It’s only water and dye/pigment for pete’ssake! Hello!
It’s been around for thousands of years!
More importantly, the major printers manufacturers out source their ink
manufacturing. It’s called “contract manufacturingâ€. They also know
these ink factories sell their surplus ink in bulk, to other ink
suppliers, relabeled of course.
Wise up, oem is a game of very high profits that pays for top exec’s
huge salaries and benefits out of your pocket
But not out of my pocket!
Frank

 

[Davy]

quote="Tony"][email protected] (Davy) wrote

quote]When I had troubles with the C62's yonks ago I was told that shoul
leave the clear film over the exit nozzle on the ink tanks on fo
that very reason, it was stressed that I should never remove them
not that I had of course, but you do tear away the yellow strip o
top to uncover the breathing vent

So who's telling me porkies...

Dav

Probably no-one Davy. Just opinions is my guess
Ton

I'd rather believe you guy's rather than Epson UK, they've seem t
have told us a couple of things that folks dis-agree with.... th
devils had me wasting a set of brand new ink tanks

....by the time I'd finished on the phone a dog flea could have made
bigger puddle of what was left.

When it comes to servicing under warranty, I guess that ink busines
depends on the mood of the guy at the other end.... if it's a servic
agent probably the guy will lose nothing either way whether he hands
new printer or repairs it under warranty... the guy I would imagin
would get paid just the same

So why go round a mountain when you can take a short cut through it..
This is the impression I got when he clodded mine in the tras
bin...."litterally clodded...".

A proper Epson guy wouldn't do such thing's would he, at least I go
the impression what he thought of them without a word bein
said

Sorry folks a little off topic

Dav

 

[digisol]

Well Frank, i'll be frank, that was taken from the current Epson we
site "today" for Australian warranties given out with th
extended warranty, while your Epson printers actual warranty are rea
in far more detail, to read that if you should use ANY non genuin
ink you are noted as modifying the printer from it's standard form a
sold to you, the warranty reads as given, but instead of calling me
liar, call Epson and have them tell you the same thing

As said I have personally gone through the drama of having th
"authorised repairer" tell me that as I had used no
genuine ink a new print head "on it's own" + labour + ne
ink tanks + freight added up to a tidy sum of near $500 for a $20
printer, now what part of that is hard to follow

Try it on and see for yourself how far your warranty gets ya, and tha
particular printer was only 6 months old on it's third ink change an
also under an extented warranty...

If anyone bothered to actually read the post, they did in fact tes
the inks found in the head and inks are not inks, all are different
some water based, some oil based, some special chemical compound
that are likely to be easy found, not presant, put simply Epson know
what their own ink is, it was tested and found to have used no
genuine ink, voiding the warranty

 

[Davy]

One thing, how are they gonna find out...unless you returned th
printer with a non Epson tank

Does it not pay to always keep a set of original tanks... they'er no
gonna send a sample of the ink to the labs are they..

Dav

 

[digisol]

Read the post ! the print head was blocked (that was the fault) don
by mixing the two inks inside the print head, it had genuine in
tanks in it, returned to Emerald, our closest Epson service centre
and allbeit low the tanks were not empty

 

[Davy]

The C62's I had clogged on the 2nd day with OEM ink, it's replacemen
clogged on the 4th day with OEM ink

Just because the heads are clogged does not say you have been usin
non OEM inks... So, how do they prove it..?

Perhaps they are taking the easiest way out

Dav

 

[Jan Alter]

To digisol,

I don't doubt what the Epson rep told you about your C62 printer, but I'm
not living in Australia. I went to the Epson web site this morning and
looked at the warranty of a C-88 printer under the manual section. It does
not say that the warranty will be voided if one uses non-Epson ink. I would
have copied the thing in its entirety but I can't figure out how to copy
from a PDF file so I can paste it. However, for proof's sake look at
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/...e=yes&infoType=Doc&oid=58602&prodoid=58654751

and it will not show anything about using non-Epson ink in the printer that
would void Epson's warranty here in the U.S. What it does say is

" This warranty does not cover damage to the Epson product caused by parts
or supplies not manufactured, distributed or certified by Epson."
What I said in my original response to your post was

If Epson can prove that whatever problem has arison was a result of the ink
then that's a different story. There is a difference in the way one says
this.

If Epson can get away with denying you a warranty for installing 3rd
party inks then I feel for you and I can only say I didn't know you were
from Australia when I responded and didn't know Epson was able to get away
with supplying a worse warranty than they do in the U.S.
But as I said before, there are many quality non-OEM inks that work
just fine or better than Epson's, at a significant savings, and give
outstanding output. The facts that I and thousands of printer users have
been using these inks in their printers for years testifies to those facts.
I don't know the Australian market so I can't comment on where to get those
inks should you be interested.

 

[Davy]

Think you'll find it was I who mentioned the C62's Jan for want of
name..

From my postings of yonks ago with the gripes I had... think there wa
variations on how Epson treated folks in various regions of th
globe.... it maybe due to using service agents rather than Epso
themselves

Dav