Emachines Restore CD's Don't work anynore!!!

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Guest

I Flashed a New BIOS on a Emachines I got a 1 1/2 yrs ago, and right after I booted into windows I had to reactivate XP Home. but here's the problem???? my copy of XP came w/ the emachines, so when
had to talk to MS, they told me, to give them my product I
when I did, they told me that your copy is not a real copy of XP it's an Emachines OEM, so you will have to contac
Emachines for Help, or you will have to buy a copy of XP
well I was lucky to have a retail copy of XP laying around, so I just reformated and installed that, I guee
the Restore Disk that came w/ the Emachines, are TOAST!!! due to upgdating the BIOS, I thought flashing the BIOS had nothing to do w/ windows, but Boy , was I wrong!!
BTW this new BIOS flash came form the mobo manufacture, & they have no idea why the Restore CD's don't work, guess Emachines BIOS-Locks-it's Restore CD's, but why does this suprize me!!!
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Michael Stevens

denb46 said:
I Flashed a New BIOS on a Emachines I got a 1 1/2 yrs ago, and right
after I booted into windows I had to reactivate XP Home. but here's
the problem???? my copy of XP came w/ the emachines, so when I had to
talk to MS, they told me, to give them my product ID
when I did, they told me that your copy is not a real copy of XP it's
an Emachines OEM, so you will have to contact
Emachines for Help, or you will have to buy a copy of XP!
well I was lucky to have a retail copy of XP laying around, so I just
reformated and installed that, I guees
the Restore Disk that came w/ the Emachines, are TOAST!!! due to
upgdating the BIOS, I thought flashing the BIOS had nothing to do w/
windows, but Boy , was I wrong!!!
BTW this new BIOS flash came form the mobo manufacture, & they have
no idea why the Restore CD's don't work, guess Emachines
BIOS-Locks-it's Restore CD's, but why does this suprize me!!!!

Unless you got the bios update from eMachines, the restore media will see it
as a non-eMachines motherboard and will require manual activation. Try
flashing the bios back to the original if you want to continue using the
original eMachines configuration.
When you flashed the MB, it was essentially seen as a new system.
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----- Michael Stevens wrote: ----

denb46 wrote
I Flashed a New BIOS on a Emachines I got a 1 1/2 yrs ago, and righ
after I booted into windows I had to reactivate XP Home. but here'
the problem???? my copy of XP came w/ the emachines, so when I had t
talk to MS, they told me, to give them my product I
when I did, they told me that your copy is not a real copy of XP it'
an Emachines OEM, so you will have to contac
Emachines for Help, or you will have to buy a copy of XP
well I was lucky to have a retail copy of XP laying around, so I jus
reformated and installed that, I guee
the Restore Disk that came w/ the Emachines, are TOAST!!! due t
upgdating the BIOS, I thought flashing the BIOS had nothing to do w
windows, but Boy , was I wrong!!
BTW this new BIOS flash came form the mobo manufacture, & they hav
no idea why the Restore CD's don't work, guess Emachine
BIOS-Locks-it's Restore CD's, but why does this suprize me!!!

Unless you got the bios update from eMachines, the restore media will see i
as a non-eMachines motherboard and will require manual activation. Tr
flashing the bios back to the original if you want to continue using th
original eMachines configuration
When you flashed the MB, it was essentially seen as a new system
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No ,I got the BIOS Update form the mobo manufacture, Emachines, do not supply BIOS upgrades, are so they say! but why does that suprize me, one things for sure, I'll never, nerer buy and pre-installed OEM PC ever again, it's a lot cheaper to just build your on system and use a REAL MICROSOFT XP CD!!! it's a real shame, what OEM's are doing to consumers, in regaurds to upgrading them, your so limited in what kinds of upgrades you can do, unless the OEM provides them, your pretty much SCREWED!!! I'm real mad about the 749 bucks I paid for this CRAP a 1 1/2 ago!!!! but I'm a lot Smarter & Wiser now!!!!
 
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Michael Stevens

denb46 said:
----- Michael Stevens wrote: -----

right > after I booted into windows I had to reactivate XP Home.
but here's > the problem???? my copy of XP came w/ the
emachines, so when I had to > talk to MS, they told me, to give
them my product ID > when I did, they told me that your copy is
not a real copy of XP it's > an Emachines OEM, so you will have
to contact > Emachines for Help, or you will have to buy a copy
of XP! > well I was lucky to have a retail copy of XP laying
around, so I just > reformated and installed that, I guees
to > upgdating the BIOS, I thought flashing the BIOS had nothing
to do w/ > windows, but Boy , was I wrong!!!
have > no idea why the Restore CD's don't work, guess Emachines

Unless you got the bios update from eMachines, the restore media
will see it as a non-eMachines motherboard and will require
manual activation. Try flashing the bios back to the original if
you want to continue using the original eMachines configuration.
When you flashed the MB, it was essentially seen as a new system.
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No ,I got the BIOS Update form the mobo manufacture, Emachines,
do not supply BIOS upgrades, are so they say! but why does that
suprize me, one things for sure, I'll never, nerer buy and
pre-installed OEM PC ever again, it's a lot cheaper to just build
your on system and use a REAL MICROSOFT XP CD!!! it's a real shame,
what OEM's are doing to consumers, in regaurds to upgrading them,
your so limited in what kinds of upgrades you can do, unless the OEM
provides them, your pretty much SCREWED!!! I'm real mad about the 749
bucks I paid for this CRAP a 1 1/2 ago!!!! but I'm a lot Smarter &
Wiser now!!!!

Was there a need to upgrade the bios? eMachines are very cheap for the
features they include with a given system. I would suspect they make it
difficult to upgrade because of the additional costs of support.
If you check the price of hardware and software necessary to build a
comparable system with the specs of many OEM systems, you will see it is
actually cheaper to purchase the OEM system. eMachines in particular makes
it very difficult to upgrade their systems without purchasing all of the
software bundled with the computer. The do make this quite clear on their
web site if you want to make a further investigation.
The reason I asked if there was a need to upgrade the bios was because if
you did need to upgrade the bios, it is usually because you changed some
hardware. With the OEM restore disks as the only means to restore systems
supplied from eMachines, bios updates would only be a priority if it was
need to fix a bug or usability issue. I would also bet the MB eMachines
purchases are different from the retail versions.
I know you don't like it, but eMachines really didn't screw you, your pain
was self inflicted by not researching the pros and cons of making
unauthorized bios upgrades. The bios is like the nervous system in your
body, if it gets messed up by accident or by playing Russian roulette with
recreational enhancements the results are not good.
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Was there a need to upgrade the bios? eMachines are very cheap for th
features they include with a given system. I would suspect they make i
difficult to upgrade because of the additional costs of support
If you check the price of hardware and software necessary to build
comparable system with the specs of many OEM systems, you will see it i
actually cheaper to purchase the OEM system. eMachines in particular make
it very difficult to upgrade their systems without purchasing all of th
software bundled with the computer. The do make this quite clear on thei
web site if you want to make a further investigation
The reason I asked if there was a need to upgrade the bios was because i
you did need to upgrade the bios, it is usually because you changed som
hardware. With the OEM restore disks as the only means to restore system
supplied from eMachines, bios updates would only be a priority if it wa
need to fix a bug or usability issue. I would also bet the MB eMachine
purchases are different from the retail versions
I know you don't like it, but eMachines really didn't screw you, your pai
was self inflicted by not researching the pros and cons of makin
unauthorized bios upgrades. The bios is like the nervous system in you
body, if it gets messed up by accident or by playing Russian roulette wit
recreational enhancements the results are not good
 
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Bob Harris

The other replies have already given you the bad news about OEM versions of
XP, and you have figured out that E-machines is perhaps not the best place
to buy a PC, at least not in the long run. Here are a few related thought
to help you avoid future grief:

If you buy any PC with an OEM license for any software, it means that you
must see only the OEM (PC vendor) for help. OEM licenses are cheaper
primarily because the software vendor is relieved of all responsibility to
answer questions from users. For example, in this case Microsoft told you
to contact E-machines. That is fair form the point of view of Microsoft,
who got paid less form the OEM license than for a full retail license.

In is unfortunate that E-machines does not provide better support, but then
they make money by selling very cheap PCs not by providing free support. In
the future check a PC magazine, or Consumer Reports about the satisfaction
rating for various PC vendors, before you buy.

In contrast to E-machines, Gateway and Dell and other major PC vendors do
provide some support. On my last computer I downloaded four BIOS upgrades
directly from Gateway, plus many other patches. They also have FAQs that
are useful, and at least semi-helpful support people. I have also heard
good things about Dell support. They walked a friend through replacing her
hard drive and re-installing all software.

Still, even Gateway or Dell will often ask you to use the system restore
CDROM, rather than spend their time debugging your PC's problem. Of course,
if you use their CDROM, all your files will be erased and the PC will be
restored to the day it was purchased. This is not what most users want, but
it is often what they offer. **Hint** If you do not backup your personal
files, start doing it soon!

Thus, like many other users I decided to finally built a PC, rather than buy
one. It is really fairly easy, and there are many websites with general
instructions, cautions, hints, etc. Most non-OEM motherboards come with
extensive manuals. My ASUS manual is 144 pages! However, most of that was
not necessary, since I took the defaults and they worked fine. Just be sure
to get a motherboard and CPU and other hardware that is few months old, so
most of the patches are already available. If you do build your own PC,
avoid buying a "cheap" version of XP, since those are usually OEM licenses.
Consider what would happen if you called Microsoft and they told you to
contact your PC vendor for help (i.e., yourself).

If you do not feel up to building a PC yourelf, then find a small mom&pop
computer shop, who can build you one, and will support it, if necessary for
some fee. You could specify that they use retail licences for major
products, although OEM licenses would probably be fine for minor software.
Such a shop would probably install several demo and/or free programs; ask
about those, since some might be useful, but others just waste space; none
should be harmful. I have had a few friends that did well by this approach.
One guy even saved a few bucks by asking the local PC shop to re-using an
old 15 inch monitor he had lying around. Eventually he upgraded to a 17
inch flat panel, and it was litterally plug and play. I was there to help,
but he did the swap all by himself. For bigger changes, he will probably go
back to the PC shop, since he is timid about opening the box.

By the way, why did you upgrade the BIOS? The rule "do not fix it if it
ain't broke" definitely applies to BIOS upgrades. Going back to your
previous BIOS, the one from E-machines, might have been good idea bfore you
installed a new version of XP, unless there was a pressing reason for the
new BIOS. However, be warned that OEM motherboards often use slightly
different BIOSes than do the equivalent non-OEM motherboard. Mixing and
matching BIOSes and motherboards can lead to the PC becoming an expensive
paperweight.

denb46 said:
I Flashed a New BIOS on a Emachines I got a 1 1/2 yrs ago, and right after
I booted into windows I had to reactivate XP Home. but here's the
problem???? my copy of XP came w/ the emachines, so when I
had to talk to MS, they told me, to give them my product ID
when I did, they told me that your copy is not a real copy of XP it's an
Emachines OEM, so you will have to contact
Emachines for Help, or you will have to buy a copy of XP!
well I was lucky to have a retail copy of XP laying around, so I just
reformated and installed that, I guees
the Restore Disk that came w/ the Emachines, are TOAST!!! due to upgdating
the BIOS, I thought flashing the BIOS had nothing to do w/ windows, but Boy
, was I wrong!!!
BTW this new BIOS flash came form the mobo manufacture, & they have no
idea why the Restore CD's don't work, guess Emachines BIOS-Locks-it's
Restore CD's, but why does this suprize me!!!!
 
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Guest

I found a Norton Ghost Image that I burned of the original emachines XP Home configuration, and I installed that image, w/ that image, I was able to reactivate XP Home w/ the activation wizard!!! so that worked, but the restore CD's didn't work? how strange is that!!! when I ask the MS person about Why this wouldn't work w/ the Emachines restore CD's, they said that they just didn't know Why? also they told me that a New BIOS that you did has nothing to do w/ Windows, even tho you Flashed your Old BIOS your OEM emachine copy of XP should still work, if it won't then emachines has to offer you some kind of solution, but if you changed the original OEM/BIOS, so,they aren't obilgated to help you in anyway, unless you used a BIOS provided by Emachines, but you didn't, instead you used the manufactures New BIOS, so,there is your answer, as to why emachines won't help you!!! you will just have to reactivate it every 120 days, as for the Restore CD's not working, I guess I'm SOL!!! Good thing I burned a DVD-R Ghost Image of that? at least I can use that Image & it still works
as for the the emachines restore CD's, I guees they will make Great COASTERS on my coffee table, since they aren't worth anything anymore, and can't even be used, as for the original BIOS, I saved it, but when I tried to reflash the old BIOS, it just won't work anymore, just like the Restore CD don't work! "word of the wise" DONT FLASH YOUR BIOS unless they come form the OEM, and not the mobo manufacture, if you do, your restore CD's won't work!!!!!!
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Guest

The Restore Disk are working NOW!!!, but before they didn't, I really did think that they were TOAST, strange, they even Run with the new BIOS Update!!! WOO-HOO!!!
 
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Michael Stevens

denb46 said:
Was there a need to upgrade the bios? eMachines are very cheap for the
features they include with a given system. I would suspect they make it
difficult to upgrade because of the additional costs of support.
If you check the price of hardware and software necessary to build a
comparable system with the specs of many OEM systems, you will see it is
actually cheaper to purchase the OEM system. eMachines in particular makes
it very difficult to upgrade their systems without purchasing all of the
software bundled with the computer. The do make this quite clear on their
web site if you want to make a further investigation.
The reason I asked if there was a need to upgrade the bios was because if
you did need to upgrade the bios, it is usually because you changed some
hardware. With the OEM restore disks as the only means to restore systems
supplied from eMachines, bios updates would only be a priority if it was
need to fix a bug or usability issue. I would also bet the MB eMachines
purchases are different from the retail versions.
I know you don't like it, but eMachines really didn't screw you, your pain
was self inflicted by not researching the pros and cons of making
unauthorized bios upgrades. The bios is like the nervous system in your
body, if it gets messed up by accident or by playing Russian roulette with
recreational enhancements the results are not good.
things, just to see what the results would be, now, some of the features
worked, or were a little better than the original emachines configuration,
the PC works Great, better than before, it's just that there FAKE XP HOME
WINDOWS Image, is just that, an Image, it's not the real thing, as it should
be, when will OEM's manufactures Start Shipping the Real XP windows OEM CD,
that is why, most consumers wont buy a pre-configured OEM PC, they seem to
have taken away what the whole MS CD thing is all about, It's just not
RIGHT, and this partice needs to be STOPPED!!! it's just Plain WRONG!!! and
anyboby who's ever purchaced an OEM PC knows whats really going on Here, if
you buy a PC then you should be get a real Microsoft Windows OEM CD, and
not some FAKE IMAGE of the same, emachines should give you a real OEM CD &
just put the Drivers on the 2nd CD, you should have a choice NOT to install
all of the CRAP, and be able just to install a clean version of WINDOWS, but
this is not what most OEM's seem to be doing here, after buying an OEM, and
then changing or updating hardware, you shouldn't have to go out and buy
another copy of windows, to me it's called double-dipping, the comsumer who
has to do that is the one that is being RIPPED-OFF, no one should should
have to buy Windows twice, Bill Gates is already RICH, why make him anymore
RICHER than he already is.
I can understand your frustration of not knowing the limitations of an entry
level computer system. I did the same thing many years ago, but my price of
admission to learn what I didn't know at the time was 4X the price you paid.
The practice of not supplying a real XP CD will not affect the majority of
the consumers purchasing computers from eMachines, but it would most likely
bump up the price and lose the shopper looking for the bottom line on a
comparable system. Most consumers do not purchase an entry level system to
OC or make other major changes. They purchase the system and keep it for an
average of three years and then they buy a new one.
The eMachines computers I have had the opportunity to work on have been
solid systems relatively trouble free when used within the intended design
limitations and certainly worth the price paid.
Like I said in my original reply, have you checked what it would cost to
build a system with the same specs of an eMachines computer? I don't believe
the average person could match, much less beat the price, when you factor in
the cost of shipping and if your time is valuable, the searching and time to
setup and assemble the system.
I am not defending eMachines, I am just putting a different perspective on
how I think the OEM's entry level systems are so cheap.
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