Dye-based or Pigment-based?

[O R]

Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?

As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?

 

[WeInk]

We have a white paper about the use of pigment inks
in dye-based printers:

http://www.weink.com/ecom/support/technotes/tsn16.htm

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[Graeme Cogger]

Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?

As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?

I believe that Epson are the only company using pigment ink,
and then only on certain printers (R800, C80 series?,
2000/2100/2200 and some of the larger format printers).All of
them, except the R800, suffer from 'bronzing' problems on
glossy paper.

 

[Tony]

Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?

As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?

Epson: C80/82, C64/C84 then Stylus 2000 etc.
Now Lexmark is a printer ? Oh well: some pigment based blacks.
Canon have several that use pigmented black - jet i455, i560, i865, the i965
up use Dye.
Tony
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Epson C64/ C84 Lighfast (30% more free) pigmented inks.
Canon BCI-3 i560 i750 BCI-6 i865 S-820 / S-900 series.
Specialist ink refill kits... http://www.inkylink.co.uk
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[Mark Herring]

Which of course is not what the man asked....

You guys are pretty aggressive about promoting yourself here--just to
level the field a bit, I'll say that I think MIS is the preferable 3rd
party supplier.

We have a white paper about the use of pigment inks
in dye-based printers:

http://www.weink.com/ecom/support/technotes/tsn16.htm

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Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

 

[Mark Herring]

Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?

As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?

As one responder already said, Epson is the only one selling pigment
printers.

For what it's worth, there is a wide selection of 3rd party pigment
inks for use in "dye-based" printers. biggest selection is for Epson,
But Canon will follow. My choice for 3rd party inks is MIS
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Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

 

[Hecate]

Which of course is not what the man asked....

You guys are pretty aggressive about promoting yourself here--just to
level the field a bit, I'll say that I think MIS is the preferable 3rd
party supplier.

In the US. In the UK & Europe I'd go for Permajet every time.

There's that's evened it up even more

Don't you just hate spammers posing as helpful people?

 

[Jack]

I have read that the black ink cartridge for HP printers is pigmented.
JackM

 

[Bill Crocker]

Not sure about Canon, and HP. I know Epson has both, depending on the
model. I think they claim pigment-based inks last longer.

Bill Crocker

 

[Joe Peach]

I don't have a problem with a guy/ company that post a possible answer or
something that will help me understand......

Sure, he mentioned "their site", ....big deal, you don't have to go there,
it would be different if he just mentioned the

www.weink.com

site........and by the way, has Excellent refill inks for the at least the
BCI-6 series printers....wink, wink.... ;-)

 

[WeInk]

Actually, the answer to his question is found
midway down the article. Other than Epson no other
desktop printer uses pigment colorants as standard
for there colors. HP, Lexmark, and Canon use pigment
(text grade) for their black 4-color process printers. The article
goes further to explain one of the reasons for this limitation and
how Epson was able to get around this limitation with the development
of encapsulated pigments and a new cartridge design.

As for promotion, even charities promote. I don't
work for a charity. As a part of the services and products we promote,
I provided a link to free information that answered a question
and provided additional information that may be of interest
since the question concerned both pigment and dye colorants.

You may not appreciate access to free information, but others may.
If you have something useful to add to this thread I'm sure it
would be appreciated.

John Mills - Technical Support Manager
http://www.weink.com/

 

[Jack]

I for one appreciate this approach.

Sound technical information is a real asset to most of us to help us in
making informed purchasing decisions.

I felt John's response was tasteful, providing a link we could follow if
desired. I did, and learned answers to several questions - one of which
I posted earlier with no response!

I don't spend a lot of money on the net, but most of it goes to sites
that provide the kind of info John has supplied.

Jack Wetmore, NB, Can.

 

[Hecate]

I don't have a problem with a guy/ company that post a possible answer or
something that will help me understand......

Sure, he mentioned "their site", ....big deal, you don't have to go there,
it would be different if he just mentioned the

www.weink.com

site........and by the way, has Excellent refill inks for the at least the
BCI-6 series printers....wink, wink.... ;-)

Most people offering advice here, and in other newsgroups, manage to
do so without promoting their "wares" at the same time, as do I.
There is a fine line between providing information, and merely passing
on info in an attempt to gain custom (aka shilling).

 

[jbuch]

As far as I know, Epson is the only major manufacturer using pigment
inks. That is why their printers clog a lot more.

In reality, only a few recent Epson printers use pigments.

Thus, that isn't the reason why Epson printers are reported as clogging
a lot more.

The print head stays inside the Epson printer "forever" because it isn't
a part of the cartridge and replaced every time the cartridge is replaced.

That is the basic step towards understanding why Epson printers are
reported as having a log more clogs.

Jim

 

[Jan George Frajkor]

Do Canon and Hewlett-Packard inkjet printers use pigment-based or
dye-based inks? Or does it vary depending on model? Or is there a
difference between the standard cartridges and the photo cartridges?

As long as I'm on the subject, how about Epson and Lexmark?

As far as I know, Epson is the only major manufacturer using pigment inks.
That is why their printers clog a lot more.

 

[Mark Herring]

As far as I know, Epson is the only major manufacturer using pigment inks.
That is why their printers clog a lot more.

My personal experience---supported by a lot of reading--says that the
clogging issue is both manageable and to some extent avoidable. There
are some well-published precautions, and there are cleaning
proceedures.

My experience:

1280--OEM dye for 2 years--no trouble
1280 converted to MIS pigment---still no trouble
900 (same design and carts as the 1280_ MIS dye--no trouble

We are in average humidity (So. Cal), I dont take any dist
precautions, but I do shut off and I try to print something every 2-3
weeks.
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Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

 

[John H]

My personal experience---supported by a lot of reading--says that the
clogging issue is both manageable and to some extent avoidable. There
are some well-published precautions, and there are cleaning
proceedures.

My experience:

1280--OEM dye for 2 years--no trouble
1280 converted to MIS pigment---still no trouble
900 (same design and carts as the 1280_ MIS dye--no trouble

We are in average humidity (So. Cal), I dont take any dist
precautions, but I do shut off and I try to print something every 2-3
weeks.
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Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

Mark, I see your name in here a lot because, for me, it's very noticeable. My
last name is also Herring!

I don't have an Epson, which you seem to prefer, but I am the new owner of a
brand new Canon i960. As I plan to do a lot of photo printing (four grandkids
and an embryo), I am interested in refilling my cartridges.

Could you recommend a good ink and refill kit supplier? I would greatly
appreciate it.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

 

[Mark Herring]

Mark, I see your name in here a lot because, for me, it's very noticeable. My
last name is also Herring!

I don't have an Epson, which you seem to prefer, but I am the new owner of a
brand new Canon i960. As I plan to do a lot of photo printing (four grandkids
and an embryo), I am interested in refilling my cartridges.

Could you recommend a good ink and refill kit supplier? I would greatly
appreciate it.

MIS--dont know how much they have for Canon, but it will be there soon
enough. In other forums many folks mention Weink.

Herrings---fishy bunch
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Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

 

[John H]

MIS--dont know how much they have for Canon, but it will be there soon
enough. In other forums many folks mention Weink.

Herrings---fishy bunch
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Mark Herring, Pasadena, Calif.
Private e-mail: Just say no to "No".

Yup, getting called "Fish" during every year I was in school sure screwed up my
personality!

Now, what does "MIS" mean, if you'll be so kind.

Thanks.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

 

[Joe Peach]

Most people offering advice here, and in other newsgroups, manage to

do so without promoting their "wares" at the same time, as do I.
There is a fine line between providing information, and merely passing
on info in an attempt to gain custom (aka shilling).

I do see your point...........