DX9.0b On windows update

[Mark B]

See Subject

 

[Bill L]

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Not really sure what you're asking but DX9.0b is designed to fix a security
hole rather than add any new features etc. I just downloaded the patch
rather than the whole shooting match.

HTH

Bill L

 

[ugg]

Not really sure what you're asking but DX9.0b is designed to fix a
security

hole rather than add any new features etc. I just downloaded the patch
rather than the whole shooting match.

Not exactly correct. Per Microsoft:
"This patch package is provided for minimum download size to address the
security issue. Microsoft prefers that customers obtain and install the full
DirectX 9.0b update, which contains additional non-security core graphics
and DirectShow fixes." Check it out.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...familyid=22F990CB-E9F9-4670-8B4F-AC4F6F66C3A2

best-0-luck,
mikey

 

[HillBoy]

DX9.0b is hosing PAL-based AIW cards. ATI has recommended NOT upgrading to
DX9b for the time being. A lot of the problems stem from the fact that many
XP users have autoupdate set for automatic operation and were updated to
DX9b during the night. I have it set manually so I can decide to install the
updates or not.

 

[Andrew Rossmann]

DX9.0b is hosing PAL-based AIW cards. ATI has recommended NOT upgrading to
DX9b for the time being. A lot of the problems stem from the fact that many
XP users have autoupdate set for automatic operation and were updated to
DX9b during the night. I have it set manually so I can decide to install the
updates or not.

I though the automatic update only installed Critical updates. DX 9.0b
was a RECOMMENDED update. Only the security patch for 9.0a or older was
marked as CRITICAL.

 

[The Duke]

Andy - you are correct.

Duke

I though the automatic update only installed Critical updates. DX 9.0b
was a RECOMMENDED update. Only the security patch for 9.0a or older was
marked as CRITICAL.

 

[Carol Haynes]

I just updated to DX9.0b (PAL system) MMC 8.5 TV didn't work properly
afterwards so I uninstalled/reinstalled. Now it doesn't have a list of TV
antennae during initialisation which means I can't use TV at all.

Stupidly I didn't do a backup first!

WinDVR works fine (no problems at all) so it seems to be a problem with MMC
8.5 rather than hardware/drivers/DX9.0b but it is irritating and I find
MMC8.5 records better that WinDVR on my system.

Any ideas how to revert DX9.0b back to 9.0a or how to get MMC PAL TV working
again?

Carol

 

[=?iso-8859-2?Q?S=B3awomir_=AFaboklicki?=]

I just updated to DX9.0b (PAL system) MMC 8.5 TV didn't work properly
afterwards so I uninstalled/reinstalled. Now it doesn't have a list of TV
antennae during initialisation which means I can't use TV at all.

Stupidly I didn't do a backup first!

See
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?&threadid=33700362
and
http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4254.html

or wait
SZ

 

[Carol Haynes]

Thanks - I'll wait a few days and see if it gets resolved.

 

[patrickp]

Thanks - I'll wait a few days and see if it gets resolved.

w

If you can, you need to go back to a restore point or restore an appropriate
registry from just before you installed DX 9.0b. Possibly this points up
the value of creating a restore point or saving your registry immediately
prior to installing fundamental and non-uninstallable software.

patrickp

 

[patrickp]

Trouble is Win2k doesn't have restore points ;-)

I usually do full backups before important updates but since DX9.0b was only
supposed to be a security update - and they finally produced an admin
install version I thought I would go for it!!

Should have known better - bl***y M$ !

Carol

You should be able to save your registry in any version of Windows fairly
easily, I think, Carol. You may be able to roll back, as well: in W98,
which everyone thinks of as not having any restoration ability, you can in
fact boot to DOS, enter <scanreg /restore> and be given the option to
restore (as I recall) one of four previous system configurations. With
scanreg, you can also save your system configuration, not just the
registry - I don't know if there's anything like that in W2K? Open a
command box and type <scanreg /?>.

HTH patrickp

 

[Carol Haynes]

You should be able to save your registry in any version of Windows fairly
easily, I think, Carol. You may be able to roll back, as well: in W98,
which everyone thinks of as not having any restoration ability, you can in
fact boot to DOS, enter <scanreg /restore> and be given the option to
restore (as I recall) one of four previous system configurations. With
scanreg, you can also save your system configuration, not just the
registry - I don't know if there's anything like that in W2K? Open a
command box and type <scanreg /?>.

Yes you can do that but I can't see what that will achieve?

The reason TV doesn't work is because one of the modified files in the DX
update doesn't cope with multi region antennae - how would restoring an out
of date registry help? The same file would be used (or it may simply crash
the system).

Rolling back the registry without synchronising the files
registered/referenced is likely to cause a lot of trouble isn't it?

C

 

[Villain]

I just updated to DX9.0b (PAL system) MMC 8.5 TV didn't work properly
afterwards so I uninstalled/reinstalled. Now it doesn't have a list of TV
antennae during initialisation which means I can't use TV at all.

Stupidly I didn't do a backup first!

WinDVR works fine (no problems at all) so it seems to be a problem with MMC
8.5 rather than hardware/drivers/DX9.0b but it is irritating and I find
MMC8.5 records better that WinDVR on my system.

Any ideas how to revert DX9.0b back to 9.0a or how to get MMC PAL TV working
again?

Carol

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There is, IIRC, a Direct X remover out there. It's called
"DirectX Buster" I believe. Don't know if it works with the latest
version of DX, though. Hope it helps.


Villain
"A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend" -Willow-

 

[patrickp]

Yes you can do that but I can't see what that will achieve?

The reason TV doesn't work is because one of the modified files in the DX
update doesn't cope with multi region antennae - how would restoring an out
of date registry help? The same file would be used (or it may simply crash
the system).

Rolling back the registry without synchronising the files
registered/referenced is likely to cause a lot of trouble isn't it?

C

If you roll back, you should be able to reinstall the previous version, if
it is not reinstated. I usually reinstall whatever DX version I'm using
after cleaning up my PC before upgrading/changing videocard drivers, in case
the various processes might have messed anything up. On older versions of
DX you used to be able to specifically reinstall; now you're actually
installing again (probably no difference; just that they gave you a display
page which said you were reinstalling ;-)). You would also need to bear in
mind any other changes you've made since the restore version you're rolling
back to.

patrickp

 

[Carol Haynes]

There is, IIRC, a Direct X remover out there. It's called
"DirectX Buster" I believe. Don't know if it works with the latest
version of DX, though. Hope it helps.

Thanks I'll give it a week or two before I resort to such measures though!

WinDVR seems to be working fine? Strange!

Carol

 

[Al Kaufmann]

I have the ATi Radeoo 9700 Pro and the ATI TV Wonder (PCI) which also
does not work properly with DirectX9.0b. I can tune the TV but cannot
capture. The ATI Multimedia Center configuration complains that DX
is not installed properly and that the WDM (capture) drivers have a
problem. It suggests getting the latest DirectX and ATI drivers.

Ak

 

[patrickp]

I have the ATi Radeoo 9700 Pro and the ATI TV Wonder (PCI) which also
does not work properly with DirectX9.0b. I can tune the TV but cannot
capture. The ATI Multimedia Center configuration complains that DX
is not installed properly and that the WDM (capture) drivers have a
problem. It suggests getting the latest DirectX and ATI drivers.

Ak

Did it work Ok before you upgraded to DX 9.0b, Al? AFAIK the DX 9.0b update
prevents PAL tuners working; if yours is still working, then presumably
you're not using a PAL model? Did the card work properly before the update
to DX 9.0b?

As far as the ATi configuration app is concerned, that's notorious for
inaccurate reporting anyway - recent ones have been getting the DX version
right, but I've seen a few reports of it getting it wrong again since DX
9.0b came out. The capture driver not being installed one has never been
fixed properly; I still get that report but capture seems to be fine.
Bottom line on the configuration app is ignore it - it's as likely as not
just that it's reporting wrong. If you really can't capture, it might be
worth reinstalling your drivers.

patrickp

 

[Al Kaufmann]

Did it work Ok before you upgraded to DX 9.0b, Al?

This was a clean install and DX 9.0b was loaded right at the start so
I can't tell you if it was working prior. The TV card was laying
around in a box because I used to have a non-ATI video card and I
could not get it working properly with that.

I have now been trying a few re-installs and it is getting worse not
better. :-( I am going to try another clean install and this time
without the DX 9.0b and see if things improve. Maybe the TV card will
go back into the box.

Al

 

[Al Kaufmann]

I did another Window XP Pro clean install and the ATI TV Wonder Tuner
& Capture seem to be working with one exception - it can't play the
mpeg2 files it creates. If it creates Windows Media files, it can
play those back.

I installed things in this order:
MS Directx 9.0a
From the Radeo section:
ATI Display driver
ATI Control Panel
MS Window Media Encoder 9.0
From ATI TV Wonder section:
mmc-7-9-dao-mdac
tvw-pci-ve-driver-1-11-0-1
mms-7-9
Then again from the Radeon section
ATICD wiz for the DVD Player
mmc-8-5-0-0

I left out the mmc-8-1-0-0-dao-mdac.

There should be an easier way to do this!

Al

 

[patrickp]

I did another Window XP Pro clean install and the ATI TV Wonder Tuner
& Capture seem to be working with one exception - it can't play the
mpeg2 files it creates. If it creates Windows Media files, it can
play those back.

I installed things in this order:
MS Directx 9.0a
From the Radeo section:
ATI Display driver
ATI Control Panel
MS Window Media Encoder 9.0
From ATI TV Wonder section:
mmc-7-9-dao-mdac
tvw-pci-ve-driver-1-11-0-1
mms-7-9
Then again from the Radeon section
ATICD wiz for the DVD Player
mmc-8-5-0-0

I left out the mmc-8-1-0-0-dao-mdac.

There should be an easier way to do this!

Al

You don't mention a installing a capture driver, Al, although I guess if you
can capture, you must have. I'm not clear about this for a TV Wonder, but I
would have thought that if you have a capture card, you need the capture
driver. Or is the "tvw-pci-ve-driver-1-11-0-1" a capture driver?

Also, AFAIK MMC 8.5 is not recommended for TV Wonder cards; ATi recommend
that 7.9 is used (you would appear to be installing 7.9 and then upgrading
to 8.5? Or does that mean you're trying either version?

patrickp