Downgrade from Vista to XP

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Anton K.

Hi All

I've recently purchased a new laptop with a pre-installed Vista and I would
like to go back to XP. My old laptop (now dead) of a similar configuration
had XP (also pre-installed) and I have the recovery disk and my serial # for
XP. Can I use it for my new laptop to change from Vista to HP? What would
be the right steps to do so?

Thanks
 
M

Matt I.

The correct steps would to be keep the betterness of Vista and wait for you
to get used to it.
 
A

Anton K.

Thanks for your advice, I appreciate many things implemented in Vista
however I have my own reasons to go back to XP, quite a few applications I'd
been using did not work and also the computer config is not the right for
this system, also I believe (as well as one of IBM experts I read recently
in the news) that you need 4MB of RAM to be happy.

Thanks
 
H

HeyBub

Anton said:
Hi All

I've recently purchased a new laptop with a pre-installed Vista and I
would like to go back to XP. My old laptop (now dead) of a similar
configuration had XP (also pre-installed) and I have the recovery
disk and my serial # for XP. Can I use it for my new laptop to change
from Vista to HP? What would be the right steps to do so?

Yes, you can downgrade to XP.

You'll have to buy a retail copy of XP.

I have enormous confidence your OEM copy from laptop #1 won't work - and
can't be made to work - on laptop #2 (99+% certainty). Many OEM-supplied OS
distributions (and virtually all laptop OSes) are tied directly to the
hardware.
 
J

John Whitworth

Anton K. said:
Thanks for your advice, I appreciate many things implemented in Vista
however I have my own reasons to go back to XP, quite a few applications
I'd been using did not work and also the computer config is not the right
for this system, also I believe (as well as one of IBM experts I read
recently in the news) that you need 4MB of RAM to be happy.

Thanks

1GB is perfectly usable with Vista. 2GB is comfortable. I doubt there are
many who would benefit from 4GB quite yet.

Have you considered using the now free Virtual PC, to run an instance of XP
from within Vista. It works well, and can share drives and printers just as
any other machine on your network would do.

JW
 
G

Ghostrider

Matt said:
The correct steps would to be keep the betterness of Vista and wait for
you to get used to it.

Why? And waste the use of a perfectly good computer whilst waiting for Vista
to mature properly. We never install any new OS until it has achieved at
least Service Pack 2 or equivalent. Based on past experience with Windows
products.
 
A

Anton K.

Is that known for a fact that an OEM system cannot be transferred to another
PC?

Thanks
 
J

Jane C

Yes. OEM copies die with the machine they are first installed on and cannot
be transferred to another machine.
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Anton said:
Is that known for a fact that an OEM system cannot be transferred
to another PC?

Technically - it might work okay - although LAPTOP OEM copies sometimes are
more vendor/model specific than other type of OEM copies of the OS.

It goes against the agreement you agreed to daily by use and initially by
purchase of the original laptop (ie: your word, an agreement with another
entity.) The End-User License Agreement of an OEM like the one that came
pre-installed on your laptop pretty specifically states you may not transfer
this license to another system - no matter what. Laptop melted to slag?
Too bad the CD was saved - because you might as well throw it into the fire
too.

So, to review... Although it *might* work technically (might not) - it does
go against the EULA in every way.

Your best bet - buy an OEM copy of Windows XP from a legitimate dealer for
$100 and install it. Know that OEM copy is now forever tied to the new
laptop - although later you might decide to use the Vista the laptop came
with anyway and XP licensing won't matter much to you then anyway.
 
H

Hugh Wyn Griffith

Before you commit yourself and the laptop to back-grading rmember two
things:

(1) It may nullify your warranty or at best you will have to reinstall
the factory condition (VISTA -- and how are you going to do that?)
before yuo send it in for repair.

(2) That in some cases the laptop manufacturers are not making
available XP files for models sold with VISTA on them. Youy may be able
to work around this by finding an equivalent model number that came
with XP and using the files for that one but ........

Believe me -- I do support in a LAPTOP Forum on Compuserve and we are
seeing a lot of this, especially with Toshiba but that may be because
more Toshiba users know about the forum.
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

No. Your old Windows XP recovery disc is only licensed for
use with the old laptop computer it originally shipped with.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

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Hi All
|
| I've recently purchased a new laptop with a pre-installed Vista and I would
| like to go back to XP. My old laptop (now dead) of a similar configuration
| had XP (also pre-installed) and I have the recovery disk and my serial # for
| XP. Can I use it for my new laptop to change from Vista to HP? What would
| be the right steps to do so?
|
| Thanks
 
S

Scott

Thanks for your advice, I appreciate many things implemented in Vista
however I have my own reasons to go back to XP, quite a few applications I'd
been using did not work and also the computer config is not the right for
this system, also I believe (as well as one of IBM experts I read recently
in the news) that you need 4MB of RAM to be happy.

No that was Windows 3.1.

--
Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
be cheerfully ignored, so don't waste our time.
 
L

Lang Murphy

Yeah... you don't mean 4MB, I hope...

Lang

Anton K. said:
Thanks for your advice, I appreciate many things implemented in Vista
however I have my own reasons to go back to XP, quite a few applications
I'd been using did not work and also the computer config is not the right
for this system, also I believe (as well as one of IBM experts I read
recently in the news) that you need 4MB of RAM to be happy.

Thanks
 
L

Lang Murphy

Are you talking about recovery disks or OS disks? I've used OEM OS disks on
completely different hardware without issue, other than having to install
appropirate drivers...

Lang
 
A

Anton K.

sorry 4Gb of course.
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IBM'er says Vista's RAM sweet spot is 4GB
Patrick Thibodeau



February 20, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Configuring a PC around the minimum
hardware requirements of an application or operating system is lot like
agreeing to live in a basement apartment. Sure, it will work as a place to
live -- if you don't mind damp and dim living conditions.

Such may be the case for Windows Vista's minimum requirement of 512MB of
RAM.

Microsoft's on-the-box minimum RAM requirement "really isn't realistic,"
according to David Short, an IBM consultant who works in its company's
Global Services Divison. He says users should consider 4GB of RAM if they
really want optimum Vista performance. With 512MB of RAM, Vista will deliver
performance that's "sub-XP," he warned.

Short has been beta testing Vista for two years and was at the IBM-oriented
Share user group conference in Tampa, Fla., last week discussing some of
Vista's performance requirements. His XP system has 2GB of RAM, which he
calls the "sweet spot" for that operating system, but on Vista, 4GB of RAM
may be closer to its "Nirvana," he said.

That's due in part to Windows SuperFetch, which takes data from the hard
drive, stores it in the available RAM and makes it readily accessible to the
processor. SuperFetch depends a great deal on user predictability and takes
snapshots of user activity. If SuperFetch determines that an application is
launched at a particular time, it will have it loaded into the available
RAM. With more RAM, there's more caching and better software response, said
Short.

Hardware vendors, of course, will offer systems built on Microsoft's minimum
hardware requirements called "Windows Vista Capable," configured with 512MB
of system memory and a processor that is at least 800MHz. But their heart
may not really be in it.

For instance, Dell offers a Windows Vista Capable configuration that isn't
capable of much, according to what Dell says about it on its Web site:
"Great for ... Booting the Operating System, without running applications or
games."

Dell recommends 2GB of system memory.

Microsoft may be using PCs loaded with 4GB of RAM for some of its customer
demos; At least that's what Ann Westerheim, president of Ekaru LLC, reports.
A Microsoft representative recently demonstrated Vista on a system with 4GB
of system memory to some of its customers, and the performance was so
impressive that it drew some "ohs and ahs" from the audience, said
Westerheim. The Westford, Mass.-based company provides technology services
for small and mid-sized business.

Westerheim said that for her personal use she may configure a system with
2GB RAM, only because of the cost of loading 4GB on a laptop.

Mueez Deen, director of graphics memory and consumer DRAM at Samsung
Electronics, also recommends 2GB of RAM, calling that amount the "optimal
density for the complete Vista experience - economically and
technologically."
 
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Guest

I can also see this issue coming to the forefront a lot in the future. Matter
of fact this week I've had to decline a computer-order because it would've
come with Vista, which is unsuitable for the network it will be on.

I think the whole question of downgrading needs to be looked-at from a legal
aspect; with previous Windows releases we didn't have WPA, so it was purely a
moral/legal issue as to whether you were for example entitled to put 98 onto
a computer preinstalled with 2000.

Now, with WPA, we have to use illegal methods such as cracking if we want to
downgrade. Is that an acceptable situation? Personally, I think not,
especially as I can see Vista becoming universal very quickly, that's the way
it always goes. It will inevitably become the ONLY option on new computers
long before the problems of software-compatibility are sorted-out.
 
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Guest

Yes, now all sw is tied up to the machine, I bought at Xmas a new Fujitsu
Siemens laptop with Intel core 2 duo procdessor and 2GB memory and several sw
installed. When I wanted to install on my desktop thenewer version of Nero
with the CD that came with the laptop to my surprise I found out I couldn't,
a message popped up telling me that this Nero cd is only for the laptop and
that it can't be installed on another pc. Same applied with the cd for
windows XP SP2. which I needed for formatting the HD of the desktop
 
J

John Whitworth

niki said:
Yes, now all sw is tied up to the machine, I bought at Xmas a new Fujitsu
Siemens laptop with Intel core 2 duo procdessor and 2GB memory and several
sw
installed. When I wanted to install on my desktop thenewer version of Nero
with the CD that came with the laptop to my surprise I found out I
couldn't,
a message popped up telling me that this Nero cd is only for the laptop
and
that it can't be installed on another pc. Same applied with the cd for
windows XP SP2. which I needed for formatting the HD of the desktop
--

That's a slightly different scenario. The Nero CD is checking your PC's
BIOS. You would likely be able to use it on any Fujitsu laptop with the same
motherboard.

Microsoft OEM software has been locked to machines since the launch of XP.
HOWEVER...I have found that, providing no activations are made on OEM
licenses for a period of time, the slate is wiped clean, and it WILL
reinstall on a completely different machine. I've proved that three times
now, with XP Home. I know it's not the correct application of the license,
but it was used for a full reinstall, as the owners of the original machine
(and OEM license) upgraded the majority of their hardware.

JW
 
F

fred_eg_bowinatuck

John Whitworth said:
Microsoft OEM software has been locked to machines since XP.
I have found that, providing no activations are made on OEM
licenses for a period of time, the slate is wiped clean,
and it WILL reinstall on a completely different machine.

I do not know what you mean by activation!

Anyhow, as I think you say, I also have reused
XP, having waited some time, since last using
the computer that (previously) had it loaded.
 
G

Guest

Ian said:
I can also see this issue coming to the forefront a lot in the future. Matter
of fact this week I've had to decline a computer-order because it would've
come with Vista, which is unsuitable for the network it will be on.

I think the whole question of downgrading needs to be looked-at from a legal
aspect; with previous Windows releases we didn't have WPA, so it was purely a
moral/legal issue as to whether you were for example entitled to put 98 onto
a computer preinstalled with 2000.

Now, with WPA, we have to use illegal methods such as cracking if we want to
downgrade. Is that an acceptable situation? Personally, I think not,
especially as I can see Vista becoming universal very quickly, that's the way
it always goes. It will inevitably become the ONLY option on new computers
long before the problems of software-compatibility are sorted-out.

I just read that a Windows Vista Business or Ultimate can be legally
downgraded to Windows XP Pro, accordiing to the MS EULA.

Just look here for the info:
http://www.reasonco.com/vista/vistadowngraderights.htm

Gert
 

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