DOS

G

Guest

Hi, i need to use DOS for some work that i am currently
learning. i want to learnt about dos. Can i use the
command prompt in xp, is that DOS? will the DOS commands
work etc.

regards
 
W

Will Denny

Hi

There is no 'DOS' in XP, only the Dos Command Prompt. The only way to gain
access to 'DOS' is to boot your PC with a WIn 9x Emergency Boot Disk - and
this will only work if your hard disk/partition is using the FAT32 file
system.
 
J

Jim Macklin

The XP command prompt is very "similar" to using DOS, but
not all commands are supported. And they all do not work in
the same way, but you can learn the general function and
syntax of a DOS command.

You can also use a W98 computer to create a DOS floppy with
command com and use that to boot your XP computer and then
you can actually use DOS.

To see a list of all supported commands at the command line,
open a command window (start / run CMD) [you can make a
shortcut on your desktop to make this quicker, just find
cmd.exe in the system32 folder and right click, select
create shortcut].
To see the list of commands, type "help" to see the details
of how to use any particular command type the command's
name, a space and a /? [example xcopy /?] or another
method, just type "help xcopy" without the quotes.

But remember this XP command line is not DOS.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.


| Hi, i need to use DOS for some work that i am currently
| learning. i want to learnt about dos. Can i use the
| command prompt in xp, is that DOS? will the DOS commands
| work etc.
|
| regards
 
G

Guest

Hi, thank for your response. I want ot create a .BAT file
in DOS, and i have just ordered a book on dos 6.2. I
think it will be best to pick up a old computer running
windows 98 and use that for my work.

regards
 
J

Jim Macklin

Having two computers is always handy, you can also learn
networking.


| Hi, thank for your response. I want ot create a .BAT file
| in DOS, and i have just ordered a book on dos 6.2. I
| think it will be best to pick up a old computer running
| windows 98 and use that for my work.
|
| regards
|
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >The XP command prompt is very "similar" to using DOS,
| but
| >not all commands are supported. And they all do not
| work in
| >the same way, but you can learn the general function and
| >syntax of a DOS command.
| >
| >You can also use a W98 computer to create a DOS floppy
| with
| >command com and use that to boot your XP computer and
| then
| >you can actually use DOS.
| >
| >To see a list of all supported commands at the command
| line,
| >open a command window (start / run CMD) [you can make a
| >shortcut on your desktop to make this quicker, just find
| >cmd.exe in the system32 folder and right click, select
| >create shortcut].
| >To see the list of commands, type "help" to see the
| details
| >of how to use any particular command type the command's
| >name, a space and a /? [example xcopy /?] or another
| >method, just type "help xcopy" without the quotes.
| >
| >But remember this XP command line is not DOS.
| >
| >
| >--
| >The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| >But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| >
| >
| >| >| Hi, i need to use DOS for some work that i am currently
| >| learning. i want to learnt about dos. Can i use the
| >| command prompt in xp, is that DOS? will the DOS
| commands
| >| work etc.
| >|
| >| regards
| >
| >
| >.
| >
 
M

Michael

Hi, i need to use DOS for some work that i am currently
learning. i want to learnt about dos. Can i use the
command prompt in xp, is that DOS? will the DOS commands
work etc.

regards

I feel you pain.

Too late now for you...? I still boot too/from DOS.

My primary partition is tiny, 200 meg, FAT, thus bootable.

I went the boot disk route for awhile but floppies are of poor quality
any more--I discoved I had a stack of apps of floppies that had a high
failure rate.

In that partiton I have a plethora of Dos utilities (yes, it is still
being developed, and even has a couple of great GUIs) that are very
handy. I even have network have network access. Google "Bart" and
diskbuilder---this guy offers some amazing bootdisks.

A good many "disk" operations are safer, quicker and more thorough with
direct disk access (outside the OS). I've done things in Dos that
weren't *allowed* from the various Windows GUI

Yes, XP/W2k console is remarkably utilitarian, a nice thought---do a bit
of reading to get the most out of it (it is more than the list of
commands)---Sadly, it is not and was not meant to be a replacement for
some of the Dos tools I have. You will notice many third party utilities
suggest using DOS even though they can run under Windows.

Try to bootdisk route---bootdisk.com---but make sure anything critical
is on a second floppy.

Also, explore the many fine Dos utilities. Quietly, DOS has evolved
after MS gave up the ghost. I doubt few people even know how "current"
it is.

Good luck, I believe you'll be among the converted



--
Lead, follow or get of of the way.

I'll help you if I can.

If you don't have a solution? I don't want to hear from you.
 
M

Mike Hall

Has DOS quietly evolved to the point where MS Office 2003 or MS Publisher
will run on it?.. can you now download pictures from a digital camera and
print then in full colour to glossy paper with any of your DOS utilities?..

I remember using Tasword, WP 5.1, DBASE III and Lotus 123 on a versions of
DOS, but also remember the print quality.. I don't remember using scalable
fonts, or being able to put pictures into a document..

It was all fun though, eh.. limited productivity, but a great learning
experience.. messing with memory managers.. editing autoexec.bat,
config.sys, and win.ini.. and it all led to home networks running Win XP Pro
SP2.. great productivity.. multitasking.. so many possibilities..

We feel no pain, but might if we all had to revert to DOS.. :)
 
C

Colin Barnhorst

You don't need an old computer to do what you want. Microsoft Virtual PC
2004 is exactly what you are looking for. It will allow you to run MSDOS
6.22 and other versions of DOS and earlier versions of Windows (as well as
other operating systems) on your computer. You can run virtual computers
right on your desktop. Not only is it cheaper than another computer, it can
be many computers. No legacy hardware hanging around. See for details:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx

Hi, thank for your response. I want ot create a .BAT file
in DOS, and i have just ordered a book on dos 6.2. I
think it will be best to pick up a old computer running
windows 98 and use that for my work.

regards

-----Original Message-----
The XP command prompt is very "similar" to using DOS, but
not all commands are supported. And they all do not work in
the same way, but you can learn the general function and
syntax of a DOS command.

You can also use a W98 computer to create a DOS floppy with
command com and use that to boot your XP computer and then
you can actually use DOS.

To see a list of all supported commands at the command line,
open a command window (start / run CMD) [you can make a
shortcut on your desktop to make this quicker, just find
cmd.exe in the system32 folder and right click, select
create shortcut].
To see the list of commands, type "help" to see the details
of how to use any particular command type the command's
name, a space and a /? [example xcopy /?] or another
method, just type "help xcopy" without the quotes.

But remember this XP command line is not DOS.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.


| Hi, i need to use DOS for some work that i am currently
| learning. i want to learnt about dos. Can i use the
| command prompt in xp, is that DOS? will the DOS commands
| work etc.
|
| regards


.
 
M

Michael

Has DOS quietly evolved to the point where MS Office 2003 or MS Publisher
will run on it?.. can you now download pictures from a digital camera and
print then in full colour to glossy paper with any of your DOS utilities?..

I remember using Tasword, WP 5.1, DBASE III and Lotus 123 on a versions of
DOS, but also remember the print quality.. I don't remember using scalable
fonts, or being able to put pictures into a document..

It was all fun though, eh.. limited productivity, but a great learning
experience.. messing with memory managers.. editing autoexec.bat,
config.sys, and win.ini.. and it all led to home networks running Win XP Pro
SP2.. great productivity.. multitasking.. so many possibilities..

We feel no pain, but might if we all had to revert to DOS.. :)

No, and I say that with some certainty. Did if I leave the impression
that DOS was a replacement for Windows, W2k or Mac?

However, the poster was asking for help and I indicated that not only is
DOS not dead (merely buried in MS-DOS sense--RIP '99) but is alive and
well and being developed as I write.

And as was pointed out, the repair console is proof that direct disk
access (outside/beneath the GUI) is not only more efficient for many
applications, but a necessity.

While it may well happen, it hasn't been completely replaced---some
functions require DOS. So far, when one chooses error checking,
(chkdsk?? dos?) your computer will usually tell you it is unable to
complete the operation but will do so the next time you reboot.

For me, a 200 meg partition is a small sacrifice (less than your MS
Office requires?) to store, and have at hand scores of applications
that do more, do it more safely and do it faster than in the XP/W2k mode.

In general, I have greater success with using dos for partition
management, disk geometry, partition table and master boot record,
diagonotics, disk diagnostics (ever heard of an application named
Spinrite?).

And, of tha 200 meg, I'm only using about 45 meg. It include all of
MS-DOS 7.0, Freedos, two snazzy graphic interfaces (for those that are
unable to funciton without a mouse) and dozens of pure dos utilities or
the dos version of Partition Magic, Ghost, Drive Copy...a long list of
apps that are still the wiser option (the dos version, that is).

Not unlike the functions that MS still has chosnen to leave as non-GUI
tasks.

I wasn't suggesting (and of course you knew that) one abandon their
current OS. Newer is often better. Old, at least for now, is still
necessary.

To write off, or ignore the advantage of direct disk access is not only
ignorant it is not correct (it exists and is used in current OS's).

I can deal with stupidity and even bad humor.

But that should be kept at home.

Why not focus on the positive, and indicate the the clever poster is not
only not wrong to inquire how DOS can be used, but Dos is happy to
reside if one prepares in advance and creates a "home", a partition
where hundreds of DOS apps can reside and take up less space than a
System32 folder.

Are DOS's best days behind it. Perhaps, in the quantitative sense---but
it still more than holds its own in several areas and thus is the choice
for functions in a current OS.

I'll quit using my DOS applications when:
1. When MS allows me.
2. When I find that an alternative which is safer & faster-- and by
those to standards alone: Better.

Ignore, or bash DOS----you *are* using it and don't know it. Sorry that
you haven't chosen to use it more or been made aware it exists and is,
so far, still necessary.
benefits
No, scoring clever debating points does not always promote good
computing. No, DOS is healthy and well, if not understood.

The "marketplace" has eliminated many good products, but DOS is around
and perfoming and outperforming *current* apps.

Bravo to anyone who is willing to make a small effort in order to reap
that on balance, make that effort minimal.

--
Lead, follow or get of of the way.

I'll help you if I can.

If you don't have a solution? I don't want to hear from you.
 
M

Mike Hall

A simple analogy.. if, during an earthquake, people became trapped inside
fallen masonry et al, one would expect to rescue them from OUTSIDE the
building.. in this way, CHKDSK does exactly that.. if the XP environment has
fallen down, one fixes it from outside.. it is not a question of being
better so much as being the ONLY way..

What prompted me to say anything at all was you remark 'I feel you pain'
(the direct quote)..

The OP needs to install DOS onto his hard drive, but if it is formatted NTFS
will require some work before he can even get close to installing any
version of DOS at all..

If users want to use DOS, I am not stopping them.. whatever floats one's
boat, eh.. you take me far too seriously in this matter.. does DOS now have
a 'chill' program.. :)
 
M

Michael

A simple analogy.. if, during an earthquake, people became trapped inside
fallen masonry et al, one would expect to rescue them from OUTSIDE the
building.. in this way, CHKDSK does exactly that.. if the XP environment has
fallen down, one fixes it from outside.. it is not a question of being
better so much as being the ONLY way..

As with many diagnostics, utilities---a great many applicatins run
better (not always the ONLY) way. So, thanks for affirming my point.
chkdsk, along with more apps than you are aware of (so, no, you can't
comment) do operate in similar fashion as chkdsk. Thanks for the
affirmation.
What prompted me to say anything at all was you remark 'I feel you pain'
(the direct quote)..

Yeah, when people run out of answers or ideas, they point out spelling
and grammer errors. Have you been around? That is usually a clue that
you haven't got one.
The OP needs to install DOS onto his hard drive, but if it is formatted NTFS
will require some work before he can even get close to installing any
version of DOS at all..

Uh, huh,. So? Some people think ahead. They obtain a new drive or system
and pose a question: What do I want to do? It prevents one from getting
into situations where one has to go back to the beginning. Like it's a
back-breaking effort to format a drive with more than one partition.
If users want to use DOS, I am not stopping them.. whatever floats one's
boat, eh.. you take me far too seriously in this matter.. does DOS now have
a 'chill' program.. :)

No, you take yourself seriously.

I thought and still think you're full of shit. If you don't know or have
any current experience with DOS---since 1999, that is, find another
thread. You're already in over your head. -- Pick a subject on which
you are up to date.


Lead, follow or get of of the way.

I'll help you if I can.

If you don't have a solution? I don't want to hear from you.





--
Lead, follow or get of of the way.

I'll help you if I can.

If you don't have a solution? I don't want to hear from you.
 
P

Phil McCracken

Michael said:
As with many diagnostics, utilities---a great many applicatins run
better (not always the ONLY) way. So, thanks for affirming my point.
chkdsk, along with more apps than you are aware of (so, no, you can't
comment) do operate in similar fashion as chkdsk. Thanks for the
affirmation.


Yeah, when people run out of answers or ideas, they point out spelling
and grammer errors. Have you been around? That is usually a clue that
you haven't got one.


Uh, huh,. So? Some people think ahead. They obtain a new drive or system
and pose a question: What do I want to do? It prevents one from getting
into situations where one has to go back to the beginning. Like it's a
back-breaking effort to format a drive with more than one partition.


No, you take yourself seriously.

I thought and still think you're full of shit. If you don't know or have
any current experience with DOS---since 1999, that is, find another
thread. You're already in over your head. -- Pick a subject on which
you are up to date.


Lead, follow or get of of the way.

I'll help you if I can.

If you don't have a solution? I don't want to hear from you.

And this year's Dale Carnegie award goes to...
 
M

Mike Hall

What I stated originally was said tongue in cheek.. your attitude is not
good, and I feel no desire whatsoever to justify myself to you.. I will
create a rule in Outlook Express especially for you..

Don't hold your breath while waiting for a peace prize, btw.. on second
thoughts.. :)
 
M

Michael

What I stated originally was said tongue in cheek.. your attitude is not
good, and I feel no desire whatsoever to justify myself to you.. I will
create a rule in Outlook Express especially for you..

Don't hold your breath while waiting for a peace prize, btw.. on second
thoughts.. :)

I have a great attitude, Mr. Busyman. I don't tolerate fools. I see no
conflict there.

You probably didn't read Miss Manners' coluumn on Sunday? While I find
her a bit prissy, she had some interesting thoughts as concerns one's
ability to insult, without intending to do so.

The only thing worse than not admitting an error (rather than covering
it up or try to excuse it or reason one's way out as most do) is blame
shifting.

No, it wasn't a spelling flame, you were being tongue in cheek (Thus it
was my fault for failing to discern the difference between bad etiquette
and good humor?). Oh? You weren't laughing at the blind man, you don't
like dogs grocery stores.

One always has a choice after they **** up. Admit you ****ed up, which
would be: "I hate your ****ing guts and a spelling flame was not the
appropriate way to slay you."


Or, your way. The cowards way. No, in addition to fools, I never let a
coward off the hook.

But you continue to show your true nature.

No, not only to you evade responsibility? You inform me that you don't
have time for me (however, you do have time! you have time to tell me
you don't have time for me). Well, Mr. Busyman? That is about as
transparent as one can get.

Still, you aren't a true coward, that's next:

After you sling you stone, you indicate that I've been killfiled which
demonstrates the true coward you are. The usenet version of a sucker
punch. Hit, run, and hide. "I'll killfile this guy, but first I'll
insult him. That way I get the last word."

Since you won't be seeing this Mr. Busyman/Cowardman/Fool, perhaps a
friend will inform you that it is also considered poor usenet form to
top post.

If you do not know what that means? Proper form is to include a reply
to a post *below* the content of the post to which one is replying. Age
old, proper form.

Insult and deflect blame, wrong. Top post, wrong. Spelling flame, wrong.
Insult and hide, wrong.

So in your off time, as you will not dealing with me Mr. Busyman? Find,
study and apply the usenet basics. I will not killfile you. I will be
watching like a hawk to see if you, in fact, are working to improve upon
the basics.

Only then will you come close to having the right to finding fault in a
poster's stakesmis.

No, you can run, but you can't hide.


--
Lead, follow or get of of the way.

I'll help you if I can.

If you don't have a solution? I don't want to hear from you.
 
P

Phil McCracken

Michael said:
I have a great attitude, Mr. Busyman. I don't tolerate fools. I see no
conflict there.

You probably didn't read Miss Manners' coluumn on Sunday? While I find
her a bit prissy, she had some interesting thoughts as concerns one's
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M

Michael

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Phill,

This is microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics

alt.comedy.vaudeville is over there---------->

You heard the one about the rabbi the priest and......oh never mind...

--
Lead, follow or get of of the way.

I'll help you if I can.

If you don't have a solution? I don't want to hear from you.
 

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