DOS Program does not see SCSI devices.

[Guest]

Hey folks,

I have this ancient DOS program TPU.EXE by Novastor. It is a SCSI tape
utility that I use to read SCSI tapes. I have used it for years on
dos/win3.1/win95/win98, all with multiple adaptec scsi cards and 8mm, 4mm, 9
track... SCSI drives.

I now have a nice new DELL with XP sp2. TPU.EXE runs, but does not find any
SCSI devices. I also have the new Novastor program NovaExchange (newer, but
with less features and more difficult to use). I can find the tape drives
just fine with the XP version of NovaExchange, but it stinks.

Is there any way I can get the old Novastor program to recognize the tape
drives on XP?
I have tried updating the ASPI drivers to the latest 4.7.1 , but still get
the same result; the program runs but will not see the SCSI tapes.

Thanks in advance,

Vinny

 

[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

Hi Vinny,

If the program uses direct hardware access (and many DOS programs do), then
it's not going to work. NT systems do not allow direct hardware access by
programs.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[Menno Hershberger]

Hey folks,

I have this ancient DOS program TPU.EXE by Novastor. It is a SCSI tape
utility that I use to read SCSI tapes. I have used it for years on
dos/win3.1/win95/win98, all with multiple adaptec scsi cards and 8mm,
4mm, 9 track... SCSI drives.

I now have a nice new DELL with XP sp2. TPU.EXE runs, but does not
find any SCSI devices. I also have the new Novastor program
NovaExchange (newer, but with less features and more difficult to
use). I can find the tape drives just fine with the XP version of
NovaExchange, but it stinks.

Is there any way I can get the old Novastor program to recognize the
tape drives on XP?
I have tried updating the ASPI drivers to the latest 4.7.1 , but still
get the same result; the program runs but will not see the SCSI tapes.

This may not work, but it's worth a try. Go to Run and type in
"Command". This brings up an older version of DOS than the default "CMD"
does. I have a lot of old DOS programs (some I wrote myself) that work
faultlessly under COMMAND.COM.

 

[Dan]

Yet another reason why 98SE is nice to have as a seperate operating system as
well as having XP PRO.

: Hi Vinny,
:
: If the program uses direct hardware access (and many DOS programs do), then
: it's not going to work. NT systems do not allow direct hardware access by
: programs.
:
: --
: Best of Luck,
:
: Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
:
: Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
:
: Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
:
: : > Hey folks,
: >
: > I have this ancient DOS program TPU.EXE by Novastor. It is a SCSI tape
: > utility that I use to read SCSI tapes. I have used it for years on
: > dos/win3.1/win95/win98, all with multiple adaptec scsi cards and 8mm,
4mm,
: > 9
: > track... SCSI drives.
: >
: > I now have a nice new DELL with XP sp2. TPU.EXE runs, but does not find
: > any
: > SCSI devices. I also have the new Novastor program NovaExchange (newer,
: > but
: > with less features and more difficult to use). I can find the tape drives
: > just fine with the XP version of NovaExchange, but it stinks.
: >
: > Is there any way I can get the old Novastor program to recognize the tape
: > drives on XP?
: > I have tried updating the ASPI drivers to the latest 4.7.1 , but still
get
: > the same result; the program runs but will not see the SCSI tapes.
: >
: > Thanks in advance,
: >
: > Vinny
:
:

 

[Alex Nichol]

I have this ancient DOS program TPU.EXE by Novastor. It is a SCSI tape
utility that I use to read SCSI tapes. I have used it for years on
dos/win3.1/win95/win98, all with multiple adaptec scsi cards and 8mm, 4mm, 9
track... SCSI drives.

It is probably using a real-mode SCSI driver, installed in config.sys.
XP will absolutely refuse to have anything to do with such drivers.
Things have moved on, and the time where such old technology could be
safely supported any longer is way past

 

[Dan]

XP has a critical flaw, Alex. It relies on command.com prompt. Microsoft
needs to completely overhaul the maintenance operating system of XP PRO. and
seperate it from the false DOS mode of this emulator according to Chris
Quirke, MVP and Gary S. Terhune MVP. I hope we will see this change come
about by the time XP PRO. SP3 is released and Microsoft better change it in
Longhorn or their will be h_ll to pay in the corporate and security world
that we live in nowadays. Finally, parts of the NT (New Technology) source
code have been leaked over the internet wheras 9x source code has not and the
NT was referred to as Not There by Microsoft Techs. back in Microsoft's early
history because these techs realized that at its core source code level NT
was less than 9x ever was. You can trust me on this one and I await your
detailed and thought out response(s).

:
: >I have this ancient DOS program TPU.EXE by Novastor. It is a SCSI tape
: >utility that I use to read SCSI tapes. I have used it for years on
: >dos/win3.1/win95/win98, all with multiple adaptec scsi cards and 8mm, 4mm,
9
: >track... SCSI drives.
:
: It is probably using a real-mode SCSI driver, installed in config.sys.
: XP will absolutely refuse to have anything to do with such drivers.
: Things have moved on, and the time where such old technology could be
: safely supported any longer is way past
:
:
: --
: Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
: Bournemouth, U.K. (e-mail address removed)8E8L.org (remove the D8 bit)

 

[Alex Nichol]

XP has a critical flaw, Alex. It relies on command.com prompt. Microsoft
needs to completely overhaul the maintenance operating system of XP PRO. and
seperate it from the false DOS mode of this emulator according to Chris
Quirke, MVP and Gary S. Terhune MVP.

command.com is not the regular command interpreter - that is cmd.exe

command.com is an *old* DOS 5 shell, retained purely for legacy use, I
think manly for programs wanting to 'shell out'. It has for example no
LFN support and should not be used in the ordinary way

 

[Dan]

Well I still feel that XP needs to have their own maintenance operating
system. Now let us see if Gary S. Terhune and/or Chris Quirke will respond
to your comments, Alex.

: Dan wrote:
:
: >XP has a critical flaw, Alex. It relies on command.com prompt. Microsoft
: >needs to completely overhaul the maintenance operating system of XP PRO.
and
: >seperate it from the false DOS mode of this emulator according to Chris
: >Quirke, MVP and Gary S. Terhune MVP.
:
: command.com is not the regular command interpreter - that is cmd.exe
:
: command.com is an *old* DOS 5 shell, retained purely for legacy use, I
: think manly for programs wanting to 'shell out'. It has for example no
: LFN support and should not be used in the ordinary way
:
:
: --
: Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
: Bournemouth, U.K. (e-mail address removed)8E8L.org (remove the D8 bit)

 

[Guest]

Hey Rick,

Thanks, but not the what I wanted to hear. I think tpu.exe does use direct
hardware access. *&%$#$.

Thanks,

Vinny

 

[Guest]

Menno,

Thanks, but already used command.com. Still does not detect drives. I even
used win95& win98 compatibility options.

Thanks anyway,

Vinny

 

[Guest]

Questions relating to XP that are posted in a Windows 98 newsgroup are likely
to be answered with inaccurate, incomplete or inappropriate information. You
should validate information about XP that you receive in a Windows 98
newsgroup by asking the same question in an XP group.

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

From what I can tell, this thread started in the XP General group and
got cross-posted to the Win98 group by Dan. I *think* that's mostly
because he wanted me and Chris to see it.

 

[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

Correct Gary. Just the usual arguement about wanting a maintenance OS
embedded in an NT system.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Come September....

 

[Dan]

What do you mean by come september, Gary?

: Come September....
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: : > Correct Gary. Just the usual arguement about wanting a maintenance OS
: > embedded in an NT system.
: >
: > --
: > Best of Luck,
: >
: > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
: >
: > Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
: >
: > Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
: >
: > : > > From what I can tell, this thread started in the XP General group
: and
: > > got cross-posted to the Win98 group by Dan. I *think* that's mostly
: > > because he wanted me and Chris to see it.
: > >
: > > --
: > > Gary S. Terhune
: > > MS MVP Shell/User
: > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: > > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: > >
: > > : > >> Questions relating to XP that are posted in a Windows 98 newsgroup
: are
: > > likely
: > >> to be answered with inaccurate, incomplete or inappropriate
: > > information. You
: > >> should validate information about XP that you receive in a Windows
: 98
: > >> newsgroup by asking the same question in an XP group.
: > >>
: > >> "Dan" wrote:
: > >>
: > >> > Well I still feel that XP needs to have their own maintenance
: > > operating
: > >> > system. Now let us see if Gary S. Terhune and/or Chris Quirke
: will
: > > respond
: > >> > to your comments, Alex.
: > >> >
: > >> > : > >> > : Dan wrote:
: > >> > :
: > >> > : >XP has a critical flaw, Alex. It relies on command.com
: prompt.
: > > Microsoft
: > >> > : >needs to completely overhaul the maintenance operating system
: of
: > > XP PRO.
: > >> > and
: > >> > : >seperate it from the false DOS mode of this emulator according
: to
: > > Chris
: > >> > : >Quirke, MVP and Gary S. Terhune MVP.
: > >> > :
: > >> > : command.com is not the regular command interpreter - that is
: > > cmd.exe
: > >> > :
: > >> > : command.com is an *old* DOS 5 shell, retained purely for legacy
: > > use, I
: > >> > : think manly for programs wanting to 'shell out'. It has for
: > > example no
: > >> > : LFN support and should not be used in the ordinary way
: > >> > :
: > >> > :
: > >> > : --
: > >> > : Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
: > >> > : Bournemouth, U.K. (e-mail address removed)8E8L.org (remove the D8 bit)
: > >> >
: > >> >
: > >> >
: > >
: >
: >
:

 

[Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers]

Am very much looking forward to it <g>.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Can't tell you. It's a secret.

 

[Dan]

This is exactly why people now need to have dual-boot computers with 98SE and
XPPRO. Microsoft has forced our hands and created this annoying but now
necessary situation. People can still buy 98SE via Ebay or another site.
However, I hope Microsoft will sell or give the 9x code to the open-source
community after it expires on 30 June 2006. I am adding the 98 general
newsgroup to your reply Vinny in hopes that a solution better than mine may
be found to help you answer your question. Have a great day!

: Alex,
:
: When I was using dos and win 3.1, I did have the aspi drivers for my
adaptec
: cards (aha1510, aha2940, aha1542c) in the config.sys, but not in win95/98,
: and TPU has run and recognized most scsi drives in dos/win3.1/win95/98. But
: my old IN2000 Always Technologies card had no driver. All I needed to do
was
: to hook the drive up and type tpu, and if I had multiple tape drives, a
: selection list would appear so I could choose the which drive to use.
: It seems, from what everyone is telling me, that under XP I will not be
able
: to use my old DOS TPU.EXE for a variety of reasons. This really irritates
me
: because the old program is so much quicker and easier to use than the WinXP
: version. Nothing compares to the old TPU.EXE for analyzing and reading
tapes.
:
: Thanks for you help.
:
: Vinny
:
: "Alex Nichol" wrote:
:
: >
: > >I have this ancient DOS program TPU.EXE by Novastor. It is a SCSI tape
: > >utility that I use to read SCSI tapes. I have used it for years on
: > >dos/win3.1/win95/win98, all with multiple adaptec scsi cards and 8mm,
4mm, 9
: > >track... SCSI drives.
: >
: > It is probably using a real-mode SCSI driver, installed in config.sys.
: > XP will absolutely refuse to have anything to do with such drivers.
: > Things have moved on, and the time where such old technology could be
: > safely supported any longer is way past
: >
: >
: > --
: > Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
: > Bournemouth, U.K. (e-mail address removed)8E8L.org (remove the D8 bit)
: >