Do AMD's new Athlon64 and Opteron CPUs support WinXP 64-bit Edition?

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Leroy Vargas

Do AMD's new Athlon64, Athlon64FX, and Opteron processors support Windows XP 64-bit Edition?
 
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Steve C. Ray

None existing. The only 64 bit version of XP out now is for the Intel
processor, and comes with a new computer only, it can't be purchased
separately. The AMD 64 bit version will probably be out sometime next year.
However, the AMD 64 bit processor will run current 32 bit XP just fine.
 
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Crusty \(-: Old B@stard :-\)

Well, in this case, because the Athlon 64 is here first, Microsoft finds
itself in the unusual position of having to support hardware that came
first. They have to do the catching up!

Do AMD's new Athlon64, Athlon64FX, and Opteron processors support Windows XP
64-bit Edition?
 
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Jo Bo

My son just built his twin oprteron and found XP professional had downloads
for some of it's features (not 64 bit though).

Jo Bo

Do AMD's new Athlon64, Athlon64FX, and Opteron processors support Windows XP
64-bit Edition?
 
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Guest

For Opteron, Athlon FX & Athlon 64 , the native 64-bit mode is called "long mode". It allows linear addressing beyond 4GB, unlike 32-bit processors that have to swap in and out (PAE/PSE) the spaces above 4GB.
Microsoft has produced several operating systems for the AMD64 codebase, but none are retailed at the moment.
They all contain the word "for 64-bit Extended Systems"
In a nutshell, Windows XP 64-bit alpha (1023) was sent in December 2002 to some manufacturers, and several pre-release versions were made available to some beta-testers, up to version 1137 recently. Also download of such pre-release AMD64 versions is available for download to MSDN subscribers.
Windows Server 2003 64-bit for extended systems was also pre-released in beta for about 9 months, and just became available for public download, or you can order the CD-ROM (search "64-bit extended" on microsoft.com)
You can retrofit WS2003 to desktop functionaliy if you have problems getting XP 64-bit.
Don't get confused with XP 64-bit for Itanium, which is a whole different processor, and has been available (OEM) for a while

Most of the dual Opteron boards have BIOS upgrades allowing them to run PC3200 with Opterons 242 and above
Whereas a 1GB PC2700 ECC Registered stick will set you back $220, a 2GB is now about $699, and a 4GB PC2100 released by Crucial (at $7000 a piece) could allow your son to upgrade his board to 24 or 32GB depending whether it has 6 or 8 memory slots.

Microsoft certainly did not have a monopoly as far as 64-bit extended systems, since its release to the public in April 2002
Note that the 80386 was released in 1986, and it took about 7 years to see NT retailed.

I feel that 64-bit computing presents tremendous advantages, such as larger RAM disks, and also being able to give separate spaces to leaky 32-bit applications (C++ housekeeping anyone?) under WOW64, and also the fact that virii and trojans might not be so prevalent at the beginning, especially if there is some way NX instruction can work in long mode.

Even though the ECC/Registered memory is 3 times as expensive, it was certainly a bargain to get a dual Opteron motherboard, in relation to smaller Opteron configurations, as the exponential cost of memory far exceeds the difference in motherboard cost ; for instance getting 8GB ECC on a 4-DIMM board would cost about $2800 ($4800 3 months ago) , as opposed to about $2000 on a 8-DIMM board.

Hope this helps,

Chri
 
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John A Grandy

<<<
However, the AMD 64 bit processor will run current 32 bit XP just fine.
absolutely sure about that Steve ?

what about for compilation of custom software -- every permutation of
compilation-related options in visual studio .net 2003 ... ?

personally, i remember the 16bit to 32bit transition ... lots of creaks and
groans had to be worked out ... especially when it came to compilers ...

back then amd (plus, i think "nexgen" later bought by amd or idti -- anyone
know?) didn't receive as timely/accurate information as intel ... but that
wasn't the root of the problem ... which is that these types of transitions
are enormously complex ...
 

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