Difference between 1/4W and 1/2W resistors?

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Man-wai Chang

For a 5V input (USB -> LED), should I use 1/4W or 1/2W?

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M

Man-wai Chang

It depends on how current is going to be drawn through them.

I only knew V=IR. How do I apply this principle to this W spec?

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M

Man-wai Chang

For a 5V input (USB -> LED), should I use 1/4W or 1/2W?
I only knew V=IR. How do I apply this principle to this W spec?

And Power (W) =VI

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david

I only knew V=IR. How do I apply this principle to this W spec?

P = VI

If the LED drops 2V (typical) then you have to size the resistor value to
also drop the same difference at the current you want to run the LED at.
Let's say, 20ma..

5V - 2V LED = 3V resistor.
3V/20ma = 150 ohms.

20ma * 3V = 60mW so a 250mW resistor is sufficient in this case. You
have to substitute the voltage drop and desired current for the LED that
you want to use.
 
M

Man-wai Chang

20ma * 3V = 60mW so a 250mW resistor is sufficient in this case. You
have to substitute the voltage drop and desired current for the LED that
you want to use.

What if I used a 1/2W resistor instead of a 1/4W (250mW?)? Would it
reduce the current too much?

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Jacquie

What if I used a 1/2W resistor instead of a 1/4W (250mW?)? Would it
reduce the current too much?

It's only the resistance value of the resistor and the load that
determines the current drawn, not the wattage of the resistor.

Jacquie.
 
M

Man-wai Chang

It's only the resistance value of the resistor and the load that
determines the current drawn, not the wattage of the resistor.

Then why are resistors (in that shop at least) classified resistors by W?

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M

Man-wai Chang

So you can choose the correct wattage for it's intended use.

Let me review your replies first. :)

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Michael Black

Then why are resistors (in that shop at least) classified resistors by W?
Because there are plenty of times when more current goes through the
resistor, and it needs to be a higher wattage.

The wattage of a resistor means nothing so long as your demands are
not too much for that wattage resistor. A higher wattage resistor
won't be noticed by the circuit. But you'll end up with a physically
bigger resistor than you need.

Forty years ago, the schematics in the hobby magazines would routinely
specify 1/2w resistors. But it was just routine, for a long time 1/2
resistors were the most commonly available. It was only the transistion
to solid state that 1/4 resistors became common, and while they could be
used due to lower power circuits, the change was really because the 1/4w
resistors were physically smaller.

Michael
 
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Paul

Man-wai Chang said:
Let me review your replies first. :)

The resistance and power rating are independently controlled factors.

Resistors come in families, like 10 ohms to 22 megohms at 1/8th watt,
10 ohms to 22 megohms at 1/4 watt, 10 ohms to 22 megohms at 1/2 watt
and so on. Once you get to a certain wattage level, the wattage
rating is harder to predict.

In a DC situation, where the resistor has some voltage across it,
a current flows. We use Ohms law, amongst others.

V = R * I

If you have a 3 volt drop across the resistor, and the resistor is 68 ohms,
then to work out the current:

3V / 68 ohms = I = 0.044 amps or 44 milliamps

The power dissipated by the resistor, given the conditions above,
is as you stated P = VI. To make the latter two forms, you do substitution
of Ohm's law.

P = V * I

= V**2 / R

= (I * R) * I = I**2 * R

You select one of the previous three equation forms, according
to the numbers you have available to work with. For example,
I might select

= (3 volts * 3 volts ) / 68 ohms = 0.132 watts

That amount of watts, is slightly more than 1/8th watt, so you'd need a
higher wattage resistor. Perhaps a 1/4 watt resistor would be a
good choice. The 1/4 watt resistor will dissipate that heat, without
being damaged. A higher wattage resistor will also do the job,
such as a 1/2 watt resistor. As long as the resistor selected,
can handle 0.132 watts minimum, it's good enough.

If you use a resistor in a confined space, where it can't receive
any cooling air, then it might need to be "derated". The following
curve, demonstrates when to derate. At the boiling point of water (100C),
I can use about 60% of the normal power rating of the resistor. Notice
that this particular curve, says the resistor can't really be used
at over 150C ambient.

http://www.interfacebus.com/Resistor-Derating-Graph.jpg

So, say I go to the store, with a piece of paper in my hand
saying "I need 68 ohms at greater than 0.132 watts". I can
buy a 1/4 watt resistor, or a 1/2 watt resistor or a 25 watt
resistor. Any of those will handle the level of power being
dissipated. The smaller resistors will be cheaper and
take up less space, for this kind of application.

+ -
+5V ----- resistor ---- LED ------ Ground

HTH,
Paul
 
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Nobody > (Revisited)

What if I used a 1/2W resistor instead of a 1/4W (250mW?)? Would it
reduce the current too much?

In your case, yes...

Seriously.. do some search on specifications.
 
M

Man-wai Chang

Seriously.. do some search on specifications.

Working on it... slowly! :)

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Man-wai Chang

used due to lower power circuits, the change was really because the 1/4w
resistors were physically smaller.

I noticed that when I looked at them.

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larry moe 'n curly

Man-wai Chang said:
Then why are resistors (in that shop at least) classified resistors by W?

To prevent overheating. If you take a resistor and operate it at its
rated power, it will easily reach 100 Celcius, and if it's rated for
at least about 1/2W it can also burn your fingers, melt wire
insulation, make circuit boards discolor or char, and even soften
solder. I've been told to use resistors rated for at least twice the
maximum power they'll have to dissipate (or 4x the max for hot
environments, like in a car's engine compartment), and usually when
I've found a cracked or burned resistor, it had been running at very
close to its power rating.
 
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Man-wai Chang

solder. I've been told to use resistors rated for at least twice the
maximum power they'll have to dissipate (or 4x the max for hot
environments, like in a car's engine compartment), and usually when

Thanks

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Paul

edfair said:
For peace of mind you might want to ask for flame proof resistors.

I take it by now, Man-wai Chang is running for the hills, and not looking back :)

As Timothy suggests, a little headroom is all you need, for peace of mind.
Selecting the next size up by calculation, is enough. The resistor will end
up stone cold to the touch, as proof it's not headed for flameout.

It takes deliberate carelessness, to create a spectacle. And the arithmetic
in this thread, is enough to prevent such a spectacle.

Paul
 
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david

Assuming that P=VI (power = voltage x current), or V**2/R,
that works out to .033watts, or about 3.79 times the 1/8watt rating. The
1/4watt resistors mentioned previously in this thread should suffice
quite nicely.

*TimDaniels*

No. 1/8W = 125 mW, not 8 mW.
 
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david

(.125W)/(.033W) = 3.79 . Review your math.

*TimDaniels*

Review yours. Do I need to remind you of what you wrote?

33 mW is 26% of the 125mW rating.

You should have said: "A 1/8W resistor has a power dissipation rating
that is 3.79 times greater than the power dissipated by the LED circuit,
so it will be more than adequate for this application".
 

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