Dell power jack refuses to budge

1

123Jim

Hi all,
I was trying to replace a power jack on an inspiron 1501 laptop. An
operation I have avoided for some time due to the possible outcome being the
catastrophic destruction of the motherboard or components thereof.

I removed the motherboard , but could not melt the solder sufficiently to
release the power jack. I used two different 30 watt soldering irons with
sharp and not so sharp iron points and one 100 watt soldering gun.

My technique leaves a lot to be desired: place motherboard on newspaper,
place finger under motherboard next to jack, apply iron to one joint at a
time so that it melts the solder and pushes through. unfortunately there
being 8 joints and stubborn solder made it impossible to move. The best way
would be to heat all eight joints simultaneously, but I have no idea how to
achieve that.

what I need is a nice soldering guide, specifically for computer parts.

any ideas?
cheers
 
G

GT

123Jim said:
Hi all,
I was trying to replace a power jack on an inspiron 1501 laptop. An
operation I have avoided for some time due to the possible outcome being
the catastrophic destruction of the motherboard or components thereof.

I removed the motherboard , but could not melt the solder sufficiently to
release the power jack. I used two different 30 watt soldering irons with
sharp and not so sharp iron points and one 100 watt soldering gun.

My technique leaves a lot to be desired: place motherboard on newspaper,
place finger under motherboard next to jack, apply iron to one joint at a
time so that it melts the solder and pushes through. unfortunately there
being 8 joints and stubborn solder made it impossible to move. The best
way would be to heat all eight joints simultaneously, but I have no idea
how to achieve that.

what I need is a nice soldering guide, specifically for computer parts.

What you need is one of those devices that suck solder away once it has
melted, then you can go round as many legs as you need to. Don't know what
they are called, but have seen them in Maplins (UK).
 
P

Paul

123Jim said:
Hi all,
I was trying to replace a power jack on an inspiron 1501 laptop. An
operation I have avoided for some time due to the possible outcome being the
catastrophic destruction of the motherboard or components thereof.

I removed the motherboard , but could not melt the solder sufficiently to
release the power jack. I used two different 30 watt soldering irons with
sharp and not so sharp iron points and one 100 watt soldering gun.

My technique leaves a lot to be desired: place motherboard on newspaper,
place finger under motherboard next to jack, apply iron to one joint at a
time so that it melts the solder and pushes through. unfortunately there
being 8 joints and stubborn solder made it impossible to move. The best way
would be to heat all eight joints simultaneously, but I have no idea how to
achieve that.

what I need is a nice soldering guide, specifically for computer parts.

any ideas?
cheers

These have a teflon tip, which is why they can take the heat.
The unit must be cleaned occasionally, to remove accumulated solder.
These are pretty cheap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desoldering_pump

You can also get a desoldering station, which consists of a vacuum pump,
leading to the tool head, which has a source of heat, plus a soldering tip
with the connection to the vacuum pump. That too has to be cleaned frequently,
as the glass tube inside the tool head, clogs up with solder after a few
joints have been freed of solder. A filter in the vacuum path, prevents stuff
from going down into the pump. This is a more expensive solution, and not
a casual purchase.

http://www.howardelectronics.com/jbc/images/LDIS-2A.jpg

This is another solution, but this is suited more to cosmetic cleanup,
after most of the fun is over. I use the thin stuff, like 0.050" wide
or so. I find the really wide solder wick to be too hard to get hot
enough. One trick to using this, is I compress the wick by rubbing
a smooth tool tip over the wick. The squashed wick sometimes picks up
a bit better. (You won't find the thin stuff at Radio Shack. I have
a solitary good electronics store in town, and that is the only place
I could expect to find the good stuff. Radio Shack is more like to
have the fat useless wicking braid.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder_wick

One other poster here, a few years back, suggested ChipQuik. It is a low
temperature solder. The idea is, you add some of that low temperature
solder to each solder joint. Then, if you can apply moderate heat to
all the joints at the same time, you can get all the solder molten.
After the device has been physically removed, you can clean up the
lands carefully with solder wick. (An issue here, is the metallurgy.
The purpose of removing all the solder on the component surfaces, is
so when you use new solder, the consistency is appropriate for the
situation. You don't just plunk the new chip down and seat it in the low
temperature solder. I don't know what the long term reliability
implications would be for such a soldering job, if you didn't clean up
after using it.)

http://www.chipquik.com/instructions.html

When working on PCBs, you probably already know that some have poor
adhesion properties. On the PCBs at work, we had excellent physical
durability (one of our blank PCBs, cost as much to make for just
the PCB, as does a fully populated Chinese computer motherboard).
I could leave a soldering iron tip on one of our boards all day long,
and not lift a pad off. I've worked on a couple retail computer
boards, and have lifted two pads so far. The finish steps and materials
used in the board constructions, affect the durability and ability to
do repairs. If you see a small rectangular pad, all by its lonesome on
the surface of the PCB, that is the kind of thing that will "wipe" off
the surface of the board, if you apply pressure with the soldering
iron tip. It is a tricky balance between not using enough heat, and
bolstering your efforts by pressing on the work with the tip of the iron,
versus using too much heat, and simply frying the pad off the surface
of the board. It is one of the reasons they make soldering iron stations
with a temperature control knob and temperature readout, so you have
some idea what temp things are at.

In the picture here, you can see a Weller station, complete with
well worn sponge for cleaning the tip of the iron. A good unit has
an easy to use dial on the front, for adjusting the set point of the
tip. I don't have one of these for home use, but these were common
at work.

http://w3.externet.hu/~gylab/weller/weller2.jpg

In this example, you can see how to remove a large quad flat pack.
With a hot air rework station, plus a ton of expensive custom tools
with just the right dimensions for the various chip outlines, you can
uniformly heat up a chip until the solder is molten on all the pins.
The thing in the middle of the chip, is there to pull upwards on the chip
to free it from the board. This is the kind of thing, where "practice
makes perfect", and usually one person on staff has "recycled" enough
chips from boards to get good at it. I limited my activities to
soldering irons :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Desoldering_with_hot_air.jpg

It is even possible to handle chips on the bench, where the contacts
are hidden underneath the chip. Those chips are ball grid array.
Materials used at the factory, for a lot of soldering jobs, take
the form of "solder paste", which is screen printed onto the surface
of the PCB. That is part of the trick to getting the solder
to stick well. Soldering of big components will probably involve
a "profile", a defined temperature ramp for "preheat", a period
of time for "hold" at the peak selected temperature, followed
by a controlled cool down ramp. The trick to quality work here,
is X-ray inspection after the job is finished. While the defect rate
is low (one bad joint in 100000 balls), it still pays to X-ray, to
see if there are any voids or cracks or the like. Some computer chips
can have 1500 balls on the bottom, and doing a good job of soldering
those is not trivial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array

Here, you can see a manufacturer recommending how to solder a component.
This kind of information is mainly for encouraging good technique
at the factory. It is harder to get this kind of control on your
typical rework bench (if you have a limited budget).

http://www.triquint.com/prodserv/tech_info/soldering.cfm

The typical budget allows for the temperature controlled solder station
(with the ratty looking sponge on it, which you're supposed to keep wet),
a desoldering hand pump, a few rolls of wick, and a lot of cursing and
swearing. Keep a "swear jar" near the bench :)

Have fun,
Paul
 
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123Jim

GT said:
What you need is one of those devices that suck solder away once it has
melted, then you can go round as many legs as you need to. Don't know what
they are called, but have seen them in Maplins (UK).

I have two of those devices but haven't figured out how to apply this sucker
device before the solder solidifies. You'd need three hands! and the
reflexes of a cat. ;) .. Another suggestion I read somewhere was to use a
wick. Copper I think. The idea I think is to heat the solder, apply some
copper wire to it, and it might be attracted to the copper and remove it's
molten self from the joint. but I never reached the point where solder of
any quantity in my Dell jack made it to the liquid state. I began to think
it was no ordinary solder but solder that would only be liquid above any
heat I could apply.

I have now re-assembled the laptop after much brutal treatment of the
motherboard (slipped screw drivers, some flexing of the board, extended
heating of the jack, many expletives) ... Now the cable fits much better
in the jack. (previously it was loose) ... I don't think it is going to
reliably charge the battery, on current observations , but it might now
supply power while the cable stays connected ...

All very unsatisfactory .. but I won't try again to replace a jack until I
have studied, and read up on soldering techniques. Even then I will have no
confidence that it will not end in disaster.
 
1

123Jim

Paul said:
These have a teflon tip, which is why they can take the heat.
The unit must be cleaned occasionally, to remove accumulated solder.
These are pretty cheap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desoldering_pump

You can also get a desoldering station, which consists of a vacuum pump,
leading to the tool head, which has a source of heat, plus a soldering tip
with the connection to the vacuum pump. That too has to be cleaned
frequently,
as the glass tube inside the tool head, clogs up with solder after a few
joints have been freed of solder. A filter in the vacuum path, prevents
stuff
from going down into the pump. This is a more expensive solution, and not
a casual purchase.

http://www.howardelectronics.com/jbc/images/LDIS-2A.jpg

This is another solution, but this is suited more to cosmetic cleanup,
after most of the fun is over. I use the thin stuff, like 0.050" wide
or so. I find the really wide solder wick to be too hard to get hot
enough. One trick to using this, is I compress the wick by rubbing
a smooth tool tip over the wick. The squashed wick sometimes picks up
a bit better. (You won't find the thin stuff at Radio Shack. I have
a solitary good electronics store in town, and that is the only place
I could expect to find the good stuff. Radio Shack is more like to
have the fat useless wicking braid.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder_wick

One other poster here, a few years back, suggested ChipQuik. It is a low
temperature solder. The idea is, you add some of that low temperature
solder to each solder joint. Then, if you can apply moderate heat to
all the joints at the same time, you can get all the solder molten.
After the device has been physically removed, you can clean up the
lands carefully with solder wick. (An issue here, is the metallurgy.
The purpose of removing all the solder on the component surfaces, is
so when you use new solder, the consistency is appropriate for the
situation. You don't just plunk the new chip down and seat it in the low
temperature solder. I don't know what the long term reliability
implications would be for such a soldering job, if you didn't clean up
after using it.)

http://www.chipquik.com/instructions.html

When working on PCBs, you probably already know that some have poor
adhesion properties. On the PCBs at work, we had excellent physical
durability (one of our blank PCBs, cost as much to make for just
the PCB, as does a fully populated Chinese computer motherboard).
I could leave a soldering iron tip on one of our boards all day long,
and not lift a pad off. I've worked on a couple retail computer
boards, and have lifted two pads so far. The finish steps and materials
used in the board constructions, affect the durability and ability to
do repairs. If you see a small rectangular pad, all by its lonesome on
the surface of the PCB, that is the kind of thing that will "wipe" off
the surface of the board, if you apply pressure with the soldering
iron tip. It is a tricky balance between not using enough heat, and
bolstering your efforts by pressing on the work with the tip of the iron,
versus using too much heat, and simply frying the pad off the surface
of the board. It is one of the reasons they make soldering iron stations
with a temperature control knob and temperature readout, so you have
some idea what temp things are at.

In the picture here, you can see a Weller station, complete with
well worn sponge for cleaning the tip of the iron. A good unit has
an easy to use dial on the front, for adjusting the set point of the
tip. I don't have one of these for home use, but these were common
at work.

http://w3.externet.hu/~gylab/weller/weller2.jpg

In this example, you can see how to remove a large quad flat pack.
With a hot air rework station, plus a ton of expensive custom tools
with just the right dimensions for the various chip outlines, you can
uniformly heat up a chip until the solder is molten on all the pins.
The thing in the middle of the chip, is there to pull upwards on the chip
to free it from the board. This is the kind of thing, where "practice
makes perfect", and usually one person on staff has "recycled" enough
chips from boards to get good at it. I limited my activities to
soldering irons :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Desoldering_with_hot_air.jpg

It is even possible to handle chips on the bench, where the contacts
are hidden underneath the chip. Those chips are ball grid array.
Materials used at the factory, for a lot of soldering jobs, take
the form of "solder paste", which is screen printed onto the surface
of the PCB. That is part of the trick to getting the solder
to stick well. Soldering of big components will probably involve
a "profile", a defined temperature ramp for "preheat", a period
of time for "hold" at the peak selected temperature, followed
by a controlled cool down ramp. The trick to quality work here,
is X-ray inspection after the job is finished. While the defect rate
is low (one bad joint in 100000 balls), it still pays to X-ray, to
see if there are any voids or cracks or the like. Some computer chips
can have 1500 balls on the bottom, and doing a good job of soldering
those is not trivial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array

Here, you can see a manufacturer recommending how to solder a component.
This kind of information is mainly for encouraging good technique
at the factory. It is harder to get this kind of control on your
typical rework bench (if you have a limited budget).

http://www.triquint.com/prodserv/tech_info/soldering.cfm

The typical budget allows for the temperature controlled solder station
(with the ratty looking sponge on it, which you're supposed to keep wet),
a desoldering hand pump, a few rolls of wick, and a lot of cursing and
swearing. Keep a "swear jar" near the bench :)

Have fun,
Paul

Great stuff...

I also found this;
http://www.aaroncake.net/electronics/desolder.htm

I should have used a solder pump or a wick on the miniscule amount of solder
I managed to melt .. at least I think I did..

If I had added ordinary solder to the joints I was heating .. would that
have allowed the heat to melt the target joint? .. I tried that briefly, but
the solder just bounced past the target joint . and threatened to make a
mess .. so I only tried it once and gave up.

The laugh is I have some things I would like to try again .. but I won't be
disassembling this laptop again until it is officially dead for a second
time. :)
 
J

Jon Danniken

123Jim said:
Another suggestion I read somewhere
was to use a wick. Copper I think. The idea I think is to heat the
solder, apply some copper wire to it, and it might be attracted to
the copper and remove it's molten self from the joint. but I never
reached the point where solder of any quantity in my Dell jack made
it to the liquid state. I began to think it was no ordinary solder
but solder that would only be liquid above any heat I could apply.

Solder wick is used between the iron and the solder. You heat up the braid
(like you would a wire you are soldering), and the hot braid melts the
solder into it.

Not sure why you aren't able to melt the solder, though, although the new
silver solders can be a bear to work with.

Jon
 
L

larry moe 'n curly

123Jim said:
I was trying to replace a power jack on an inspiron 1501 laptop. An
operation I have avoided for some time due to the possible outcome being the
catastrophic destruction of the motherboard or components thereof.

I removed the motherboard , but could not melt the solder sufficiently to
release the power jack. I used two different 30 watt soldering irons with
sharp and not so sharp iron points and one 100 watt soldering gun.

My technique leaves a lot to be desired: place motherboard on newspaper,
place finger under motherboard next to jack, apply iron to one joint at a
time so that it melts the solder and pushes through. unfortunately there
being 8 joints and stubborn solder made it impossible to move. The best way
would be to heat all eight joints simultaneously, but I have no idea how to
achieve that.

BadCaps.net has a guide for unsoldering capacitors, and there are
probably some YouTube videos about soldering and desoldering. 30W
isn't enough power for multilayer boards, especially for components
that go through holes (as opposed to surface mount components),
especially if they go into the ground or power planes, as power
connectors do. OTOH 100W is way too much power, and soldering guns
don't work very well on circuit boards. I'd use a 50W iron with a
very clean, well-tinned tip, preferably a chisel tip. A clean tip
conducts heat a LOT better than a dirty one does, so frequently wipe
off the tip with a damp cloth or paper towel or copper or brass curly
hair (stocked next to the Brillo pads), not with a sponge (leaves a
coating on the tip). Apply regular 60-63% tin, 37-40% lead solder to
the joints because the solder used by the factory has a higher melting
point, even if it's not lead-free. Try to suck it up with copper
desoldering braid (Radio Shack, electronic parts supplies, about
0.080" wide is a good size). Cut off the used braid immediately after
it absorbs solder because dangling used braid will divert heat away
from the soldering joint. When the hole is clear of solder, wiggle
the lead sideways to make sure it's broken free from the solder, and
do NOT pull out the lead or the copper traces will pull out. If more
than a very thin layer of solder remains and you can't get rid of it,
start all over by applying fresh solder.

Some people use solder suckers instead of braid, and the best ones
have a spring-loaded plunger instead of a turkey baster rubber bulb.
But one problem with them is that they jerk and bump the circuit board
when the spring is released, and that may cause damage. Some people
fix that by attaching a very short length of rubber tubing to the tip
to absorb the shocks, but don't use vinyl because it will melt.
Silicone rubber is best (hobby shops, medical supplies -- non-sterile
can be a lot cheaper than sterile).

The safest way to remove solder, without using an electrically
operated vacuum pump, is with a special low temperature solder called
Chip Quik. It's not cheap, about $1 an inch, but is still a lot less
than a new motherboard. There's a YouTube video showing its use.

You should first practice on some junked circuit boards that have at
least 4 layers of copper.
 
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123Jim

larry moe 'n curly said:
BadCaps.net has a guide for unsoldering capacitors, and there are
probably some YouTube videos about soldering and desoldering. 30W
isn't enough power for multilayer boards, especially for components
that go through holes (as opposed to surface mount components),
especially if they go into the ground or power planes, as power
connectors do. OTOH 100W is way too much power, and soldering guns
don't work very well on circuit boards. I'd use a 50W iron with a
very clean, well-tinned tip, preferably a chisel tip. A clean tip
conducts heat a LOT better than a dirty one does, so frequently wipe
off the tip with a damp cloth or paper towel or copper or brass curly
hair (stocked next to the Brillo pads), not with a sponge (leaves a
coating on the tip). Apply regular 60-63% tin, 37-40% lead solder to
the joints because the solder used by the factory has a higher melting
point, even if it's not lead-free. Try to suck it up with copper
desoldering braid (Radio Shack, electronic parts supplies, about
0.080" wide is a good size). Cut off the used braid immediately after
it absorbs solder because dangling used braid will divert heat away
from the soldering joint. When the hole is clear of solder, wiggle
the lead sideways to make sure it's broken free from the solder, and
do NOT pull out the lead or the copper traces will pull out. If more
than a very thin layer of solder remains and you can't get rid of it,
start all over by applying fresh solder.

Some people use solder suckers instead of braid, and the best ones
have a spring-loaded plunger instead of a turkey baster rubber bulb.
But one problem with them is that they jerk and bump the circuit board
when the spring is released, and that may cause damage. Some people
fix that by attaching a very short length of rubber tubing to the tip
to absorb the shocks, but don't use vinyl because it will melt.
Silicone rubber is best (hobby shops, medical supplies -- non-sterile
can be a lot cheaper than sterile).

The safest way to remove solder, without using an electrically
operated vacuum pump, is with a special low temperature solder called
Chip Quik. It's not cheap, about $1 an inch, but is still a lot less
than a new motherboard. There's a YouTube video showing its use.

You should first practice on some junked circuit boards that have at
least 4 layers of copper.


Thanks, good stuff.
 
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123Jim

123Jim said:
Hi all,
I was trying to replace a power jack on an inspiron 1501 laptop. An
operation I have avoided for some time due to the possible outcome being
the catastrophic destruction of the motherboard or components thereof.

I removed the motherboard , but could not melt the solder sufficiently to
release the power jack. I used two different 30 watt soldering irons with
sharp and not so sharp iron points and one 100 watt soldering gun.

My technique leaves a lot to be desired: place motherboard on newspaper,
place finger under motherboard next to jack, apply iron to one joint at a
time so that it melts the solder and pushes through. unfortunately there
being 8 joints and stubborn solder made it impossible to move. The best
way would be to heat all eight joints simultaneously, but I have no idea
how to achieve that.

what I need is a nice soldering guide, specifically for computer parts.

any ideas?
cheers

Thanks to all those who have replied.
I learned a lot!
 
P

Paul

123Jim said:
Great stuff...

I also found this;
http://www.aaroncake.net/electronics/desolder.htm

I should have used a solder pump or a wick on the miniscule amount of solder
I managed to melt .. at least I think I did..

If I had added ordinary solder to the joints I was heating .. would that
have allowed the heat to melt the target joint? .. I tried that briefly, but
the solder just bounced past the target joint . and threatened to make a
mess .. so I only tried it once and gave up.

The laugh is I have some things I would like to try again .. but I won't be
disassembling this laptop again until it is officially dead for a second
time. :)

One reason the solder won't melt, is when there is a solid copper plane
connected to the plated component hole. The solid copper acts as
a heat sink, and drains heat from the soldering iron tip. There
are PCB design techniques to improve the situation, but modern
board designs don't seem to be too interested in that. And the reason
for that, is the factory soldering equipment, like IR reflow, just
heats up everything during the soldering process, and it doesn't
matter that hand soldering would be made tougher by the way the PCB
is designed.

You can tin the tip of the iron, to put a "fresh coat" on it and improve
thermal conductivity. But the practice of doing that, can dissolve the
metal of the tip of the iron. So it could result in you needing to purchase
a new tip sooner. But my experience is, it is better to tin the tip of
the iron occasionally, then just "burn it brown" and make it totally
non-conductive. I've worked with plenty of people who just ruin the
tips on the irons they use. I tend to shut off my iron when not using
it, and tin and clean the tip when I'm done.

You can also melt a little solder, in an effort to get heat to
flow into the hole. But if the PCB is sinking all the heat, you
can end up with a blobby mess, and the need to say more curse words.

The largest iron I've seen personally, is the one in metal shop in
school. We used to make tin plate boxes with those irons, and they
run somewhere around 200-250W. But the tip on those irons is so big,
you'd never get it near electronics.

At one time, I used to do soldering with the gun style device.
Until I burned it out, by exceeding the duty cycle. I would
never recommend buying one of those to someone now, as it
is easy to get carried away and overheat it. The pencil style
irons can have grounded tips, or better provision for electrostatic
discharge, than the gun style solution. If the pencil iron has
a three pronged plug, then chances are the tip is grounded. And that
may allow your antistatic bench setup, to better protect the project
you're working on. (All devices, including soldering iron tip, are
at the same electrostatic potential.) That avoids tiny "arcs and
sparks" that might damage sensitive components.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/SolderGun.jpg/800px-SolderGun.jpg

Paul
 
M

mike

123Jim said:
Hi all,
I was trying to replace a power jack on an inspiron 1501 laptop. An
operation I have avoided for some time due to the possible outcome being the
catastrophic destruction of the motherboard or components thereof.

I removed the motherboard , but could not melt the solder sufficiently to
release the power jack. I used two different 30 watt soldering irons with
sharp and not so sharp iron points and one 100 watt soldering gun.

My technique leaves a lot to be desired: place motherboard on newspaper,
place finger under motherboard next to jack, apply iron to one joint at a
time so that it melts the solder and pushes through. unfortunately there
being 8 joints and stubborn solder made it impossible to move. The best way
would be to heat all eight joints simultaneously, but I have no idea how to
achieve that.

what I need is a nice soldering guide, specifically for computer parts.

any ideas?
cheers
Can you not bust the plastic to free up the individual pieces
for removal one at a time?
 
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123Jim

mike said:
Can you not bust the plastic to free up the individual pieces
for removal one at a time?

I didn't think of that. That would indeed help, as long as I can actually
melt the solder on one joint at a time, and in destroying the jack as you
suggest, I don't damage the board. The jack has a metal case, but that could
be snipped through. or maybe better ... hacks gently.

I'm glad I didn't think of it though! .... as after all the heating, pulling
and squashing of the jack. It now give a good fit on the cable, and now the
laptop has reliable power from the mains. (Even though it does not charge
the battery) ..

In addition to the bad jack .. the other problem with this laptop is, the
battery is in bad shape and does not hold a charge for any length of time..
so not being able to charge this battery is not a great loss until a new
battery is procured. that expense might be avoided until this jack is
broken, worn out and finally replaced (successfully next time), if it ever
is .. since not having battery backup will result in the laptop being more
like a desktop where you must keep the power connected. That will result in
less wear on the jack ... ( just so long as having people's legs hooked up
in the cable can be avoided)
 
G

GT

123Jim said:
I have two of those devices but haven't figured out how to apply this
sucker device before the solder solidifies. You'd need three hands! and
the reflexes of a cat.

Am I missing something - don't you just work the 'sucker' with one hand and
the soldering iron with the other hand?
 
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123Jim

GT said:
Am I missing something - don't you just work the 'sucker' with one hand
and the soldering iron with the other hand?

Well the problem then is, how to stop the motherboard jumping off the table.
(practice is all that is required I guess :) .. .. and drinking coffee at
the same time doesn't help
 
G

GT

123Jim said:
Well the problem then is, how to stop the motherboard jumping off the
table. (practice is all that is required I guess :) .. .. and drinking
coffee at the same time doesn't help

The motherboard shouldn't jump on its own - you have it on a non-slip +
antistatic mat right?

An upside down mouse mat might do the trick.
 
P

Paul

123Jim said:
I didn't think of that. That would indeed help, as long as I can actually
melt the solder on one joint at a time, and in destroying the jack as you
suggest, I don't damage the board. The jack has a metal case, but that could
be snipped through. or maybe better ... hacks gently.

I'm glad I didn't think of it though! .... as after all the heating, pulling
and squashing of the jack. It now give a good fit on the cable, and now the
laptop has reliable power from the mains. (Even though it does not charge
the battery) ..

In addition to the bad jack .. the other problem with this laptop is, the
battery is in bad shape and does not hold a charge for any length of time..
so not being able to charge this battery is not a great loss until a new
battery is procured. that expense might be avoided until this jack is
broken, worn out and finally replaced (successfully next time), if it ever
is .. since not having battery backup will result in the laptop being more
like a desktop where you must keep the power connected. That will result in
less wear on the jack ... ( just so long as having people's legs hooked up
in the cable can be avoided)

You can find more powerful soldering irons. Eventually that solder
is going to melt :) If you get too aggressive though, you could
damage the tip on your solder pump.

http://www.hmcelectronics.com/cgi-bin/scripts/product/0400-0029/American-Beauty-3178-300W/

Paul
 
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