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tomstdenis

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It's getting a bit tiresome seeing one misguided American after another with
their cutsie little yellow or red-white-blue ribbons on their outsized SUVs.
Yeah, I guess it's the thing to do; maybe part of that whole soccer-mom
culture. Unfortunately, the only thing they demonstrate is that the person
behind the wheel is a clueless, gullible, misguided, nitwit.

If foreign invaders landed on our soil, as we have done in Iraq, I would be
the first one to take up arms and repel them. (I suppose that would make me
an 'insurgent' by OUR logic.) This, and other aggressive governments have
always done their utmost to make it APPEAR as if committing yourself to kill
in feuds on distant shores that have nothing to do with the welfare of the
citizenry is somehow patriotic.

It is not.

Enlisting in the armed forces, in the absence of a real and impending
foreign threat, is no different that hiring yourself as a paid assassin . .
the only difference is, you're not getting paid enough. But let's take a
realistic look at exactly WHO joins up in an all-volunteer army.

The first group are those who join (during peacetime) for the benefits: to
get an education, or because it seems a reasonable career path. Consider
carefully! Realize that you are gambling with your humanity. Once you sign
that form, you sign away your right to say: "No, that is an atrocity." You
put your abilities, including the ability to kill, at the disposal of proven
liars, psychopaths . . . enemies of humanity. Do you think that every German
soldier in World War II who helped load Jews into cattle cars was a
cold-blooded killer? Most were poor kids, just like you, who got caught up
in the patriotic frenzy. Once you're in, you're IN. You lose the ability to
stop killing until they tell you so. This not only makes you less than
human, it makes you less than an animal, for even the animals retain their
freedom of self determination.

The second group are the simple minded, who fall for patriotic entreaties
about defending democracy, Mom, apple pie; in other words, all the
traditional government propaganda. Do you think Soviet lads subjugated their
neighbors throughout the world because they thought the Soviet Union was an
EVIL empire? No, they were fighting for MOM, and whatever passes for apple
pie in Russia. Step back and examine the lies your government is handing
you, and ask yourself if they have the ring of truth. Do you want to be one
of the murderers in uniform who opened up on their fellow citizens at Kent
State? When you put on that uniform, you give up all autonomy, and become
nothing more than a weapon, to be used for whatever evil purposes the
scoundrels in government demand (and, if you look carefully, you will
discover that the only interests THEY serve are those of the big businesses
that own them.)

Finally, you have the hard-core psychopaths. These are the people who WANT
to kill. Murder, torture, rape; THESE are the American values upon which
THIS group is focused. The cause doesn't matter, they're after the thrill
that only warfare can provide.

Just remember: killing for George W. Bush, or for George H.W. Bush, or for
Lyndon B. Johnson, or for Richard M. Nixon is not the same as defending
yourself, your family, your friends, or your country. Don't be a dupe. Don't
Enlist!

Remember -- supporting the troops means supporting Bush aggression,
profiteering, and war crimes. Here's an idea: why not take those ribbons,
dip them in blood, and mail them to the White House?

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Tom St.Denis

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David Candy

I don't think it's fair to blame soldiers for being in a war. You can certainly blame the moron usama for his totally evil views, but only to the extent that he has moved beyond doing his duty to advocating evil. Soldiers fighting illegal wars are not committing any crime. The politicians who start the war are the ones who commit the crime.

As a general principle one wants soldiers that obey orders. Else they might decide to declare martial law or not to fight the invaders because they agree with them.

Also career soldiers, like a lot of people (like all helping regulars here), believe is serving society. Western armies go to a lot of trouble to keep psychopaths out.

Remember that someone like him has been brainwashed. Military Thought (a Russian publication) detailed the steps the US took to brainwash their troops (and everyone else in the world) for Iraq.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JAP/is_4_12/ai_112321386

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In practical terms the whole thing was as follows. Initially, public and individual conscience was simply directed to focus on the potential target of aggression. Next, an atmosphere of enmity was created that was turning into irritation and hatred. This was followed by a wearisome pause whose monotony inevitably engendered a psychological condition where everyone was looking forward to an immediate denouement and concrete decisive actions. This pause as a rule coincided with a period of concealed movement and demonstrative deployment of forces for operations in the coming war. They deliberately demonstrated the power and invincibility of the military, the effectiveness of its equipment, weapons and professionalism of the personnel. Used for this purpose were videos, reports, interviews, videocassettes taped way back during exercises, tests and so on. For instance, at the time of the Balkans war, different news agencies around the world received 25,000 videocassettes showing to the United States' advantage its U.S. forces and their activities.
 
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Alias

If all the soldiers refused to fight ... there would be no war.

Alias

"David Candy" <.> wrote

I don't think it's fair to blame soldiers for being in a war. You can
certainly blame the moron usama for his totally evil views, but only to the
extent that he has moved beyond doing his duty to advocating evil. Soldiers
fighting illegal wars are not committing any crime. The politicians who
start the war are the ones who commit the crime.

As a general principle one wants soldiers that obey orders. Else they might
decide to declare martial law or not to fight the invaders because they
agree with them.

Also career soldiers, like a lot of people (like all helping regulars here),
believe is serving society. Western armies go to a lot of trouble to keep
psychopaths out.

Remember that someone like him has been brainwashed. Military Thought (a
Russian publication) detailed the steps the US took to brainwash their
troops (and everyone else in the world) for Iraq.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JAP/is_4_12/ai_112321386

[In part]
In practical terms the whole thing was as follows. Initially, public and
individual conscience was simply directed to focus on the potential target
of aggression. Next, an atmosphere of enmity was created that was turning
into irritation and hatred. This was followed by a wearisome pause whose
monotony inevitably engendered a psychological condition where everyone was
looking forward to an immediate denouement and concrete decisive actions.
This pause as a rule coincided with a period of concealed movement and
demonstrative deployment of forces for operations in the coming war. They
deliberately demonstrated the power and invincibility of the military, the
effectiveness of its equipment, weapons and professionalism of the
personnel. Used for this purpose were videos, reports, interviews,
videocassettes taped way back during exercises, tests and so on. For
instance, at the time of the Balkans war, different news agencies around the
world received 25,000 videocassettes showing to the United States' advantage
its U.S. forces and their activities.
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "David Candy" <.>

| What do you care. You access these groups via MS not usenet.
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I access many UseNet and private News Servers. Spam is spam and should be dealt with
accordingly.

Messages have been sent to the MS News Server spam email address as well as ISP's involved.

BTW: The Microsoft hierarchy is quasi UseNet.
 
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Leythos

And all he had to do to get the gun was plop down his cash ...

No, all he had to do was get one through any means - I would suspect
that anyone shooting at a chopper was already a criminal before the
committed that criminal act - as such, they are likely to have stolen
the weapon out of a store or WalMart in the area during their looting
phase.
 
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Leythos

LOL! That is not an answer to my question, that was a total evasion!

No Kurt, I was not evading answering your directly - I just assume
you're smart enough to not have to play the word games and are
intelligent enough to look up the facts yourself.
Again, "Iraq and Iraqis were never threatening my freedom, so how is
some US soldier fighting and dying in Iraq protecting my freedom?"

Based on how little you know of terrorism, ideologies, allowing
terrorist types to rest in their countries, about the mass chemical
stock-piles found in Iraq, about the massive truck convoys that left
Iraq for Syria and other locations, etc.... I would say you are a lot
safer now than you were 2 years ago.
I saw it, and what do you expect people that have been left to fend for
themselves for 4 days to do? The glacial response of the Fed has made
this catastrophe much worse.

People that followed directions instead of taking their own chances are
in good shape (relatively speaking). It was only the idiots that decided
to stay that are in real bad shape - the people that were bussed to
locations or are in organized groups provided by the city/government are
not in super bad shape.

Did you miss the scale of the disaster?
Did you miss how many roads were destroyed?
What makes you think there is a better logistical method available?
 
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Alias

Leythos said:
No, all he had to do was get one through any means - I would suspect
that anyone shooting at a chopper was already a criminal before the
committed that criminal act - as such, they are likely to have stolen
the weapon out of a store or WalMart in the area during their looting
phase.

Being as you aren't there, all you say above is speculation. It's also
possible that it was someone who got a gun legally. That *is* easy to do in
JesusLand.

In fact, in LA, there is a street called Pico Blvd. Side streets to Pico
Blvd. sell the following, one good per street:

Cocaine

Crack

Marijuana

Green Cards

Guns

Heroin

Like I said, all you have to do is plop your money down and you have a gun
in JesusLand, whether your purchase is legal or not. The guy at the wrong
end of a gun isn't going to be any less dead if the gun was acquired legally
and passed WPA and WGA.

Alias
 

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