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M.I.5¾
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M.I.5¾
I agree totally. I have LCD screens for both my computers, and they
are not easy to read when anything is moving, but the big problem is
that anyone else looking at the screen while I'm sitting in front of
it has to view the image at an angle -- and any angle off a LCD seems
to result in extreme color distortion.
A good deal depends on the technology that goes into the making of the LCD
panel. Indeed they vary tremendously on viweing angles and even more on the
speed of response. The very best ones can outpace a CRT with response to
movement but they do indeed tend to be at the top end of the price range.
At the other end of the scale the bad ones are very bad. At this time there
are few LCDs that can outperform a CRT as far as linearity of colour
resolution and gamma tracking is concerned. Many LCDs cannot reproduce
black at all, and many that can can only do so over a narrow viewing angle.
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M.I.5¾
Homer J. Simpson said:Get a *good* LCD monitor then.
Hint: This excludes anything made by the likes of Acer.
Unfortunately, LCD monitors suffer more badge engineering than most other
products. There are only a handful of LCD panel makers on the planet and
what is actually behind the badge depends on what can be obtained for what
price at any time. Even supposedly identical monitors with the same model
number can have very different panels (and even other inards).
We have several hundred supposedly identical HP monitors here, but a brief
desk hopping session shows that there are at least 3 different panels in
use.
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M.I.5¾
HeyBub said:I doubt that any monitor is truely "flat."
First, there's the issue of integrity. The innards of the tube are under a
significant vacuum. To have an almost flat face, I would think the glass
would have to terrifically thick to handle the pressure. Secondly, the
electron guns target will distort more and more as they reach out to a
flat surface.
The glass is very thick, and many tubes do have flat faces. Glass is a
strange material where it is actually stronger with a vacuum or pressure on
one side of it. The beam from the guns has to be corrected in any tube
because only a spherical screen with the guns at the centre of curvature
would have no distortion (although such a screen would from the viewers
point of view).
G
George
PD43 said:I'm glad to see that my efforts have not gone unrecognized.
If only closed minds came with closed mouths!!!!
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PD43
George said:If only closed minds came with closed mouths!!!!
Problem (for you) is: my mind is quite open.
Of course, one must accept MY definition of "open".
You probably wouldn't.
Bite me.
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Bill in Co.
PD43 said:LOL.
Problem (for you) is: my mind is quite open.
LOL, again.
Of course, one must accept MY definition of "open".
You probably wouldn't.
Probably not.
Bite Me!
Thanks, but no thanks. (There are better things to eat).
H
Homer J. Simpson
I need to explain the reason why I want to CRT Monitor is that
I know what you're saying, but going from my own experience, it seems like
Acer always goes with the lowest bidder. I don't think I've ever seen an
Acer LCD monitor I would've wanted to use on a daily basis.
Unfortunately, LCD monitors suffer more badge engineering than most other
products. There are only a handful of LCD panel makers on the planet and
what is actually behind the badge depends on what can be obtained for what
price at any time. Even supposedly identical monitors with the same model
number can have very different panels (and even other inards).
We have several hundred supposedly identical HP monitors here, but a brief
desk hopping session shows that there are at least 3 different panels in
use.
I know what you're saying, but going from my own experience, it seems like
Acer always goes with the lowest bidder. I don't think I've ever seen an
Acer LCD monitor I would've wanted to use on a daily basis.
I
Industrial One
K now I remember, the "luminous plastic" technology is called OLED.
You might as well ditch your LCD and quit upgrading since it'll be
eventually replaced by OLED. Don't buy the technology now as it is
still experimental, wait a couple years 'till they become cheap and
you'll have a display that uses less power than LCD, much lighter with
a higher range of colors and without the viewing angle glitch with
LCDs.
The only problem is that you'll have to buy another one every year or
so since they got a short lifespan.
You might as well ditch your LCD and quit upgrading since it'll be
eventually replaced by OLED. Don't buy the technology now as it is
still experimental, wait a couple years 'till they become cheap and
you'll have a display that uses less power than LCD, much lighter with
a higher range of colors and without the viewing angle glitch with
LCDs.
The only problem is that you'll have to buy another one every year or
so since they got a short lifespan.
J
John John
These truly flat monitors did exist, what you are looking for is an
"Aperture Grill" monitor. As far as I know there were only two
underlying manufacturers for these AG monitors. One was the very well
known "Trinitron" brand from Sony. These flat monitors of exceptional
quality were also manufactured under license or manufactured for others
by Sony factories in Mexico and Asia. Companies like Dell and others
also sold these monitors. The other AG technology came from
Mitsubishi/NEC by way of the Diamondtron flat tube. Other manufacturers
like LaCie, iiyama and I believe ViewSonic manufactured flat AG monitors
under license using the Diamondtron tubes. The Diamondtron was also an
exceptional line of flat CRT monitors. All other CRT monitors were/are
made using Shadow Mask technology, these Shadow Mask monitors are never
truly flat and the quality of the image they give is nowheres near to
that of the Aperture Grill monitor.
Sadly enough both Sony and Mitsubishi abandoned the AG monitor some time
ago. Sony closed its Mexico factory about 4 or 5 years ago I think, and
stopped licensing the Trinitron to others, I believe that they had one
remaining factory in Asia but I believe that they have now closed this
last factory and completely discontinued the Trinitron line. About two
or three years ago Mitsubishi followed and stopped manufacturing the
Diamodtron tube. Mitsubishi had given advanced warning of the eminent
death of the Diamondtron and some manufacturers had ordered large
quantities of the tubes for their CRT lines but that supply is now
pretty well all used up. It was truly sad to see these high quality
monitors go, even today there are few if any but the very most expensive
LCD's that can even come close to the quality and color rendition of the
old Aperture Grill monitors, anyone who ever used these monitors never
went back to the Shadow Mask tube technology.
If you hunt and search you might be lucky and find a leftover in a
warehouse somewhere, but they are now a pretty rare find! You might
have better luck if you search for the biger model, like the 22 inch
models, these big monitors were manufactured for a bit longer than the
other ones. Other than that if you live in a large centre you may be
able to find some second hands in reasonable condition but if you want
to order a used AG monitor be careful, make sure that the seller is very
reputable, those monitors are expensive to ship and you wouldn't want to
buy a second hand monitor unless you are absolutely sure that it is
still in a very good condition!
John
"Aperture Grill" monitor. As far as I know there were only two
underlying manufacturers for these AG monitors. One was the very well
known "Trinitron" brand from Sony. These flat monitors of exceptional
quality were also manufactured under license or manufactured for others
by Sony factories in Mexico and Asia. Companies like Dell and others
also sold these monitors. The other AG technology came from
Mitsubishi/NEC by way of the Diamondtron flat tube. Other manufacturers
like LaCie, iiyama and I believe ViewSonic manufactured flat AG monitors
under license using the Diamondtron tubes. The Diamondtron was also an
exceptional line of flat CRT monitors. All other CRT monitors were/are
made using Shadow Mask technology, these Shadow Mask monitors are never
truly flat and the quality of the image they give is nowheres near to
that of the Aperture Grill monitor.
Sadly enough both Sony and Mitsubishi abandoned the AG monitor some time
ago. Sony closed its Mexico factory about 4 or 5 years ago I think, and
stopped licensing the Trinitron to others, I believe that they had one
remaining factory in Asia but I believe that they have now closed this
last factory and completely discontinued the Trinitron line. About two
or three years ago Mitsubishi followed and stopped manufacturing the
Diamodtron tube. Mitsubishi had given advanced warning of the eminent
death of the Diamondtron and some manufacturers had ordered large
quantities of the tubes for their CRT lines but that supply is now
pretty well all used up. It was truly sad to see these high quality
monitors go, even today there are few if any but the very most expensive
LCD's that can even come close to the quality and color rendition of the
old Aperture Grill monitors, anyone who ever used these monitors never
went back to the Shadow Mask tube technology.
If you hunt and search you might be lucky and find a leftover in a
warehouse somewhere, but they are now a pretty rare find! You might
have better luck if you search for the biger model, like the 22 inch
models, these big monitors were manufactured for a bit longer than the
other ones. Other than that if you live in a large centre you may be
able to find some second hands in reasonable condition but if you want
to order a used AG monitor be careful, make sure that the seller is very
reputable, those monitors are expensive to ship and you wouldn't want to
buy a second hand monitor unless you are absolutely sure that it is
still in a very good condition!
John
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PD43
These truly flat monitors did exist, what you are looking for is an
"Aperture Grill" monitor. As far as I know there were only two
underlying manufacturers for these AG monitors. One was the
very well known "Trinitron" brand from Sony.
The other AG technology came from Mitsubishi/NEC by way
of the Diamondtron flat tube.
I have one of those. Best monitor I ever owned. When it dies, I go
LCD