CRAZY pricing!


G

Guest

Most homes today have 2-5 pc's...

There should be ONE price for all...around $175 for all would be fair.

Current pricing is a joke and it will backfire...

Time for somebody to step up on the open market with an open source
operation system that runs all current windows software.

Hey how about Apple?!

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Rock

Most homes today have 2-5 pc's...
Where did you get this figure?
There should be ONE price for all...around $175 for all would be fair.

Current pricing is a joke and it will backfire...

Time for somebody to step up on the open market with an open source
operation system that runs all current windows software.

Hey how about Apple?!
This mechanism is not a way to submit a suggestion to MS now that Vista is
out of Beta. This is the way:
(e-mail address removed).

What about Apple? If you want to run a Mac, get one.

There is the family pack if you buy a copy of Vista Ultimate, either the
full retail or upgrade, you can purchase up to two more licenses for Vista
Home Premium for $49.99 each.

Now do you have a question or do you just want to rant?
 
S

SAM-R

Who has helped Apple over the years? Microsoft.
What's due out this year? Office 2007 for Mac.
 
S

Steve Urbach

Where did you get this figure?
It's low. :/

I have 9 PC's (and 1 server)
4 XPpro
1 W2kpro
2 W98se
1 W95a
1 DOS
1 Netware 4.2 server
 
R

Rock

It's low. :/

I have 9 PC's (and 1 server)
4 XPpro
1 W2kpro
2 W98se
1 W95a
1 DOS
1 Netware 4.2 server
What are you implying? Are you saying you're an average home user? What is
your point?
 
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Guest

sm,

Both, Apple and Google each attempted using Sun's Office Suite, and then
abandoned their efforts simply because Sun's open source codes were filled
with enormous application conflicts, known as -hacker happy- conflicts.

Consider this statement:
Both, Apple and Google employ IT developers with enormous knowledge, and
they could not force Sun's -hacker happy- open source code applications for
providing effective user functionalities.

Unless you personally have more IT knowledge than Microsoft, Apple, and Sun,
might consider concluding your rants for using hacker happy open source code
applications, just as Apple and Google has demonstrated.

Follow the path of Apple (and most likely Google) by using demonstrated high
quality applications provided by Microsoft.

Factually, the price for Genuine Microsoft Products as Vista and Office 2007
is considerably less compared to 10-years ago.

Better expressed, 10-years ago, Genuine Microsoft Products were priced very
near equal with the price today.

Questions:
1) Today, has the price / cost for Genuine Microsoft Products gone up or
down?

2) Today, has the price for gasoline increased compared to 10-years ago?

3) Has the inherent Security features and user friendliness for Genuine
Microsoft Products increased compared to 10-years ago?

Are you prepared for following the path of incredibly intelligent IT
developers?

Oh well, some folks just feel that need to obsess.


--
Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !

Posting & Painting
"Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
exposing them to the critic."

Ambrose Bierce
**********
 
D

Dale

I definitely agree that the price of Windows for the desktop, which at the
high end is beginning to approach server OS prices is getting to the point
where it would definitely pay off for someone to develop a serious
competitor to Windows. And the 10s of thousands of developers it takes to
develop just an operating system? Surely it could be done for less cost.

But then I don't know anything about writing an operating system.

Dale
 
C

chris

Steve said:
It's low. :/

I have 9 PC's (and 1 server)
4 XPpro
1 W2kpro
2 W98se
1 W95a
1 DOS
1 Netware 4.2 server
I would suspect that most homes simply get their OS when they buy a new
computer. Eventually, several hundred million computers that will run
Vista but relatively few (proportionally) will be retail purchases. I
have three computers, and all came with XP. I can update my newest
laptop, so I will buy one copy of Vista, but will keep XP on the others
until I get new machines.
 
D

Dale

Well, Bill, this time, I have to agree with you.

I paid $299 for a full retail copy of Windows 95 the first week Windows 95
hit the shelves. Tuesday, I will pay $399 for a full retail copy of Vista
Ultimate. I'm not an economist but I think that, considering inflation,
Vista is probably cheaper than Windows 95 was.

Dale
 
R

Roscoe

Vista Ready said:
sm,

Both, Apple and Google each attempted using Sun's Office Suite, and then
abandoned their efforts simply because Sun's open source codes were filled
with enormous application conflicts, known as -hacker happy- conflicts.

Consider this statement:
Both, Apple and Google employ IT developers with enormous knowledge, and
they could not force Sun's -hacker happy- open source code applications
for
providing effective user functionalities.

Unless you personally have more IT knowledge than Microsoft, Apple, and
Sun,
might consider concluding your rants for using hacker happy open source
code
applications, just as Apple and Google has demonstrated.

Follow the path of Apple (and most likely Google) by using demonstrated
high
quality applications provided by Microsoft.

Factually, the price for Genuine Microsoft Products as Vista and Office
2007
is considerably less compared to 10-years ago.

Better expressed, 10-years ago, Genuine Microsoft Products were priced
very
near equal with the price today.

Questions:
Gee, let me try....
1) Today, has the price / cost for Genuine Microsoft Products gone up or
down?
Up

2) Today, has the price for gasoline increased compared to 10-years ago?
Up

3) Has the inherent Security features and user friendliness for Genuine
Microsoft Products increased compared to 10-years ago?
Increased

Are you prepared for following the path of incredibly intelligent IT
developers?
I have no idea what this means.
Oh well, some folks just feel that need to obsess.
Bottom line, it's too expensive. Man (woman?), your questions sure were
stupid.
 
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Steve Urbach

And you somehow represent "most homes"?
In the Silicon Valley, Yes.
Many of my neighbors have more than 3 machines.
Usually 1 per kid and 1 or more for EACH of the adults(many software
developers).
Sitting on my front porch (house), casually, I can see 5 WiFi networks
(secured), but broadcasting a SID. How many with no SID??? (who knows
how many are really locked down with no SID broadcast?) The local
Happy Doughnut (WiFi hot spot) has 15-20 users at 2AM (hard to find a
seat for a late Midnight snack).

Only the poor, seem to be in the 0-3 range
 
M

Michael Bednarek

Well, Bill, this time, I have to agree with you.

I paid $299 for a full retail copy of Windows 95 the first week Windows 95
hit the shelves. Tuesday, I will pay $399 for a full retail copy of Vista
Ultimate. I'm not an economist but I think that, considering inflation,
Vista is probably cheaper than Windows 95 was.
[snip]

Vista is a lot more expensive than any previous Microsoft OS when
expressed as a percentage of the cost of the box. "Increased
functionality/more features" I hear you say; the same is true for the
box, probably more so.

The same is true for MS Office since WordPerfect/Corel quit the race.
 
M

MICHAEL

I think the problem many have with the pricing, is
that everything technology wise since 1995 has
has dropped dramatically in price, *except* for Windows.

Computers, processors, hard drives, monitors, software,
dvd players, burners, ram, and even what we pay
for our internet connections have all dropped in price,
while expanding features, performance, and power.
Of course, all those things are made by companies that
have *real* competition. They must get better and keep
a reasonable price to compete, they aren't de facto monopolies.
The same can not be said of Microsoft. Which is why they
can charge what they do, get away with it, and make billions
upon billions in almost pure profit. Year after year.



-Michael
 
M

MICHAEL

Also, most of these technology companies might
at *first* charge high prices for their products, but
as more consumers buy the product, the price comes
down. Not so with Windows.

Of course, if the demand becomes too great and
production can't keep up, the price might go up.
Especially, when there's no competition.
Yes, Windows demand is great, but they have no problem
mass producing bits on a disk.

Microsoft has plenty of demand, plenty of supply,
and no real competition.
That's why Microsoft can get away with charging
$399.00 for Ultimate.

-Michael
 
M

MICHAEL

Michael Bednarek said:
Well, Bill, this time, I have to agree with you.

I paid $299 for a full retail copy of Windows 95 the first week Windows 95
hit the shelves. Tuesday, I will pay $399 for a full retail copy of Vista
Ultimate. I'm not an economist but I think that, considering inflation,
Vista is probably cheaper than Windows 95 was.
[snip]

Vista is a lot more expensive than any previous Microsoft OS when
expressed as a percentage of the cost of the box. "Increased
functionality/more features" I hear you say; the same is true for the
box, probably more so.

The same is true for MS Office since WordPerfect/Corel quit the race.
Exactly. Everything about the computer, the internet connections,
and the technology in general have seen dramatic price drops over
the last 10 years. Everything but Windows.

-Michael
 
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Guest

Roscoe,

If your Post is genuine and honest, one sentence from your Post provides the
answer, and is too self-descriptive. >>> *“ I have no idea what this means.â€
*

Sincerely, ask someone that is at least twenty years older than you.

There is a reason why today mobile homes in California and Florida sale for
$1 million, or more.

Do you feel that need to obsess?

--
Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !

Posting & Painting
"Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
exposing them to the critic."

Ambrose Bierce
**********
 
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Paul-B

Rock said:
There is the family pack if you buy a copy of Vista Ultimate, either
the full retail or upgrade, you can purchase up to two more licenses
for Vista Home Premium for $49.99 each.
No, you're wrong. I can't do that.
 
A

Alexander Suhovey

Steve Urbach said:
It's low. :/
I have 9 PC's (and 1 server)
Hey, if I count my VMs (I guess it's fair since we are talking about
licensing here) I can beat that number easily.

But the thing is, the rest of the world is not like the Valley. Though I
wish it was lol. Been there several times - it's a great place to live in.

Well, back to my VMs then... <sigh>
 
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mikeyhsd

rumors of a so called FAMILY PACK with reduced pricing for more than 2 licenses.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=201



(e-mail address removed)



Most homes today have 2-5 pc's...

There should be ONE price for all...around $175 for all would be fair.

Current pricing is a joke and it will backfire...

Time for somebody to step up on the open market with an open source
operation system that runs all current windows software.

Hey how about Apple?!

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