Cpu Upgrade re-Activation needed?

[kurttrail]

"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER"

"Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
on your customer's computer and the customer may maintain the license
for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard."

Therefore, if an end user replaces a non-defective motherboard with
a different model, the OEM license is no longer valid since a new
computer has been created as a result of replacing the motherboard.

Microsoft is under no obligation to allow activation of an OEM
version of Windows if the end user changes the motherboard since
the change invalidates the claim that the same computer is in use.
That is specifically why a user should consider using a "Retail
Version" of Windows rather than a one-time OEM Windows license if
motherboard upgrades are anticipated.

Unattributed quotes from multiple sources, all from the very biased
mouth of MS, whose word isn't worth a pile of sh*t. See Carey, you are
worth more than MS's word! ;-)

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[Kerry Brown]

LOL! Have you ever called up an OEM and had them place the blame on
MS?
I have.

That doesn't mean they are right. They are merely passing the buck hoping
you will go away.

Only if it has to do with Bios-locking. If a small OEM puts on a
generic OEM copy of XP on a computer he sells, the End User doesn't
call the small OEM up for activation, the End User calls MS in India
or Pakistan, or some country where they don't speak them same brand of
English!

Microsoft looks after validating a properly licensed XP. The OEM supports
the OEM version of XP. In a properly installed OEM version of XP who's phone
number is in the documentation and on the System properties General tab? It
isn't Microsoft. If the license isn't valid your only recourse is to
complain to the OEM.

Why? The OEM didn't deny the activation! MS should be sued!

I somewhat agree with with you here. I don't believe all this crap would
stand up in court. Who has the money to sue Microsoft?

Nope. When that happens, MS has converted another person away from
buying legit software.

Who loses? Not MS. The big losers are those in the business of
selling legit software, like retailers and your local computer store.

I agree with you here as well except I think the end users are the biggest
loser. In the end you get what you pay for. With OEM software you are
relying on the OEM. With retail software you are relying on Microsoft and
can transfer it to a new computer at will. There is a reason for the price
difference. Microsoft didn't bother to enforce their rules much in the past.
With activations they have a tool and they are using it. Unfortunately the
end user is often the one who suffers. It would certainly be better if the
sale of a computer with OEM software included a better agreement explaining
the rules.

Kerry

 

[Alias]

Carey is just a fool, but LameGirl is a con-artist.

I stand corrected.

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

That doesn't mean they are right. They are merely passing the buck
hoping you will go away.

Sure it is. The OEM didn't write the code for Windows, MS did.

Microsoft looks after validating a properly licensed XP. The OEM
supports the OEM version of XP. In a properly installed OEM version
of XP who's phone number is in the documentation and on the System
properties General tab? It isn't Microsoft. If the license isn't
valid your only recourse is to complain to the OEM.

Whose phone number shows up on the activation screen? MS's. MS is
responsible for Activation, not the OEM.

I somewhat agree with with you here. I don't believe all this crap
would stand up in court. Who has the money to sue Microsoft?

Yep. And MS avoids a class action suit by denying very few activations,
especially since MS moved their PA call center to India.

I agree with you here as well except I think the end users are the
biggest loser. In the end you get what you pay for. With OEM software
you are relying on the OEM. With retail software you are relying on
Microsoft and can transfer it to a new computer at will. There is a
reason for the price difference. Microsoft didn't bother to enforce
their rules much in the past. With activations they have a tool and
they are using it. Unfortunately the end user is often the one who
suffers. It would certainly be better if the sale of a computer with
OEM software included a better agreement explaining the rules.

Naw, the End User just loses one copy of Windows, where local small
businesses and retail chains end up losing a legit customer for life,
once they have been converted by MS's silly copy-protection games.

What's a few hundred dollars compared to the thousands of dollars spent
throughout a lifetime?

The piracy rate for software was at its zenith in 1994, BEFORE most
people had PCs in their homes, and long before Napster, and the
file-sharing app boom. The piracy rate was at its lowest point in 2000,
before MS brought copy-protection to the masses. Since then, the piracy
rate stopped its steady decline.

Copy-protection may sound like a good idea to those concerned about
piracy, but in practice, all it does is devalue what it is supposed to
be protecting.

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[paul]

My friend recently upgraded his mobo and hardware. He asked here how to go
about doing it.
He was told to do a repair install.
It worked fine. He did have to call MS to get the activation, but the system
works 100%.
So why all the arguing over this isssue.
If you do a repair install and it works...problem solved. Right?
All that matters to my friend is that his machine works.
I would think this is all that would matter to anyone.

 

[kurttrail]

My friend recently upgraded his mobo and hardware. He asked here how
to go about doing it.
He was told to do a repair install.
It worked fine. He did have to call MS to get the activation, but the
system works 100%.
So why all the arguing over this isssue.
If you do a repair install and it works...problem solved. Right?
All that matters to my friend is that his machine works.
I would think this is all that would matter to anyone.

Most people that value their rights don't like having to prove that they
aren't a thief at the whim of a known IP thief.

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[Jim Hill]

Resellers of Microsoft OEM operating systems must inform
the purchaser that the use of OEM software is governed by
the Microsoft OEM System Builders rules and licensing
agreement. If the seller should fail to mention this, then the
seller has done you a disservice.

I can certainly see MS's point of view here: they have a legally
enforceable agreement with the OEM; if the OEMs are really not informing
their customers of the license terms, MS have every right to throw legal
hissy fits.

However, it does not absolve
you of the System Builders rules and licensing agreement
pertaining to the use of OEM software.

but (IANAL) (physical, existential and divine laws excepted) *NOBODY*
can be bound to terms they never even saw. MS can bitch and moan and
wail and holler and stonewall and fudge and kick and scream and dig in
their heels and obfusticate and yell icanthearyouicanthearyou and say
"is NOT" all they want. Won't change a thing: their recourse is only
against the OEM.

I'd think they can go after the OEM for full retail on every activation
the OEM gave away like this.

And, Carey? You REALLY disagree?

You should check the license terms on my copyright for this post. They
specifically mention you. Too late, bud. You've already exercised your
rights under the license. Pay me.

Jim

 

[PopS]

Spoken like the true idiot you are, kurtsy!

Carey is stupid enough to buy retail, as he needs those 2
support calls that the extra $200 dollars buy!

LameGirl sells MS Licenses to customers, so the more he can
bend MS's BS rules to his advantage, the more money in his
pocket.

Carey is just a fool, but LameGirl is a con-artist.

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[Jim Hill]

Resellers of Microsoft OEM operating systems must inform
the purchaser that the use of OEM software is governed by
the Microsoft OEM System Builders rules and licensing
agreement. If the seller should fail to mention this, then the
seller has done you a disservice.

If the OEMs are really not informing their customers of the license
terms, MS have every right to throw a hissy fit, because customers are
going to blame the poor company that gets to *tell* them they're left
holding the bag. I really do feel for Microsoft here.

But the customers' beef is with their OEM, not Microsoft. The OEMs are
obligated to honor the terms of the deals they struck, and if they
didn't tell their customers there were restrictions on the OS license,
beyond the universally understood one-available-system rule, then they
sold licenses with no such restrictions, and are obligated to supply
them -- just exactly the way CD publishers are obligated to either tag
their CDs with visible warnings that they might not play on their
customers' audio equipment or replace malfunctioning copy-protected CDs
with real ones. Unannounced restrictions equal damaged goods.

However, it does not absolve
you of the System Builders rules and licensing agreement
pertaining to the use of OEM software.

But the flaws in *this* reasoning are so deep and so glaring it's
difficult to object coherently. It's outrageous. You knew Microsoft
aren't obligated and couldn't be bothered to examine any argument that
reached that conclusion. Right?

Jim

 

[kurttrail]

Spoken like the true idiot you are, kurtsy!

ROFL! Like your opinion about me matters? Please. I've scraped off
dead skin off the bottom of my foot that had more brains than you.

Didn't see this? Look again!

Wabbit season!

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[kurttrail]

My friend recently upgraded his mobo and hardware. He asked here how
to go about doing it.
He was told to do a repair install.
It worked fine. He did have to call MS to get the activation, but the
system works 100%.
So why all the arguing over this isssue.
If you do a repair install and it works...problem solved. Right?
All that matters to my friend is that his machine works.
I would think this is all that would matter to anyone.

http://censored.microscum.com/200603061644/

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[ahoy mate!]

Resellers of Microsoft OEM operating systems must inform
the purchaser that the use of OEM software is governed by
the Microsoft OEM System Builders rules and licensing
agreement. If the seller should fail to mention this, then the
seller has done you a disservice.
However, it does not absolve
you of the System Builders rules and licensing agreement
pertaining to the use of OEM software.

Let me guess Carey, you print this agreement out and shrink wrap it into
every single OEM copy of XP you sell with a computer, right?!?

 

[ahoy mate!]

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

Unattributed quotes from multiple sources, all from the very biased
mouth of MS, whose word isn't worth a pile of sh*t. See Carey, you are
worth more than MS's word! ;-)

But not by much.