CPU Cooler designs?

[kony]

And who defines "acceptible lifespan"?

The owner.

You?
Always leaving yourself an escape hatch, aren't you?

It's really too bad you can't learn even basic system
cooling and sink to trolling.

If alternate cooling methods double the lifespan,
you'd say "double isn't worth striving for".

Tim, you'll know what I wrote when I write it.

Some parts lifespans are long enough that it is true, a
doubling would have no useful purpose. Others, particularly
the shortest lived parts, may benefit more, again depending
on the owner's needs for acceptible lifespan.

Wot an
intellectual fraud you are, kone-head.

The sad part is you really think you have a valid argument.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Wrong, there is if you're using ATX.

Only in your thick skull. Airflow around multiple obstacles
is too complex for there to be only one "right" way.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Which one Tim?

In alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt on July 22, 2004, where you
proposed:

"Well I have a few OEM cases, lets consider one with the
holes you like so much, a Compaq mATX, one of those
that has the translucent blue bezels. Model number really
isn't important but I'm sure I have that around here
somewhere too. There are many holes on the bottom front
face, next time I get a chance I'll snap a pic of it then we can
go from there describing the experiment."

Nothing more was heard from you on that. Not that I'd trust you
to design an honest experiment and to report unadulterated
results, anyway.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

It's really too bad you can't learn even basic system
cooling and sink to trolling.

The sad part is you really think you have a valid argument.

The really sad part is that you're an adamantly self-righteous
bone head, kone-head.

*TimDaniels*

 

[kony]

Only in your thick skull. Airflow around multiple obstacles
is too complex for there to be only one "right" way.

UNLESS these multiple obstacles are arranged in a
standardized format LIKE ATX!

 

[kony]

In alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt on July 22, 2004, where you
proposed:

LOL.

You really are a sore loser if you're still griping about
something from over 2 years ago!

Regardless, I'll address this.

"Well I have a few OEM cases, lets consider one with the
holes you like so much, a Compaq mATX, one of those
that has the translucent blue bezels. Model number really
isn't important but I'm sure I have that around here
somewhere too. There are many holes on the bottom front
face, next time I get a chance I'll snap a pic of it then we can
go from there describing the experiment."

Nothing more was heard from you on that. Not that I'd trust you
to design an honest experiment and to report unadulterated
results, anyway.

So you're essentially saying that no matter what the
results, it would be pointless to post them.

Why are you wasting everyone's time Tim?

Did you ever propose the scenario YOU would consider valid?
After all, you are the one with the oddball idea and no
matter what I would post you would find some excuse unless
YOU had defined the experiment.

I do have that case, and plenty of spare sheet metal, drill
press, etc, too. Describe in specifics this ideal
configuation of the front intake and I will create a front
intake plate that is IDEAL according to your claim. Be sure
to mention whether you want sharp 90' edges or something
else (though I'd presume so, since this is how all sheet
metal ends up after stamped).

I do have the previous data from that case, while the front
bezel was on it was unsuited for any modern CPU, too
restrictive because the metal chassis front wall had a solid
plastic panel immediately adjacent to it with an integrated
CD holder. The following is the same or close enough
example of the case,

http://69.36.189.159/usr_1034/Presario_5000_Bezel.jpg
http://69.36.189.159/usr_1034/Presario_5000_Bezel_2.jpg

 

[kony]

The really sad part is that you're an adamantly self-righteous
bone head, kone-head.

Again you get confused Tim. It's not about ego, it's about
the facts in system cooling. Doesn't matter who posts it,
though because _I_ did, you were going to disagree because
you are tormented by your own ego.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"korny" idiocized:"

UNLESS these multiple obstacles are arranged in a
standardized format LIKE ATX!

ATX does not specify how many cables there are or how
they are arranged. ATX does not specify the number of
hard drives, nor the number of add-on cards nor their sizes
nor the topology of their temperature distribution nor the
amount of calories/sec they output. Your One-Spec-Fits-All
religious belief in a vague spec is idiotic.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"kony" claimed:

After all, you are the one with the oddball idea and no
matter what I would post you would find some excuse
unless YOU had defined the experiment.

There is nothing oddball about turbulence aiding heat
transfer between a surface and a flowing fluid. It is
basic physics and fluid dynamics. Your adamant belief
in laminar flow only reveals your lack of scientific
education.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"korny" spewed efluvium:

Doesn't matter who posts it, though because _I_ did,

All you posted were your own claims and denials that
turbulence is better for heat transfer than laminar flow.
When backed into a corner, you weaseled out by
coming up with the absurd claim that only "self turbulence"
was effective, not turbulence arising upstream from an
object to be cooled. When asked to explain what
"self turbulence" was and why it was more effective,
you just danced and weaved.

"Self Turbulence"! What a crock of pseudo science.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"korny" posted:

http://69.36.189.159/usr_1034/Presario_5000_Bezel.jpg
http://69.36.189.159/usr_1034/Presario_5000_Bezel_2.jpg

What dinosaur did you rob to get *those*? Does it have
tubes?

*TimDaniels*

 

[kony]

ATX does not specify how many cables there are or how
they are arranged.

If cables are keeping your system from being cooled
properly, you are wholly incapable of setting up a system in
the first place, about the last person who could offer a
valid assessment of ATX.

ATX does not specify the number of
hard drives,

It addresses the placement of the bay, and allows for
different case sizes to accomodate them. If you can't cool
your drives in an ATX case, see prior comment above.

nor the number of add-on cards

I can see you have never stopped spewing nonsense long
enough to actually build a system. You should try it some
time. Plenty of people manage to do so fine, it is MOSTLY
YOUR INABILITY TO PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS that
prevents you from using ATX successfully like millions upon
millions of other people.

nor their sizes

See above.

Actually, there are in fact standardized sizes, and anything
smaller is even easier to accomodate (in smaller cases).

nor the topology of their temperature distribution

Wanna bet whether or not these card designers, designed them
to be used in ATX? For the most part, yes they certainly
do. There are a few low profile cards, backplanes, etc,
that aren't, but we can clearly see plenty of people using
cards.

nor the
amount of calories/sec they output.

Carefull, you're straining yourself. Ever seen hardware
reviews? Ask them if they put the card into a COMPUTER, and
if so, was it ATX. Yes they'll think you're an idiot,
because some things are pretty obvious.

Hardware is designed to have appropriate cooling for the
targeted platform. Unless expressly stated otherwise, that
is overwhelmingly ATX. Some now moved to BTX, but show us
these cards only meant to be used in BTX.

Your One-Spec-Fits-All
religious belief in a vague spec is idiotic.

Hmm, let's see...

On the one hand we have wonder boy that wants to attach fans
to eggs in incubators when they already work fine, but can't
even manage to get an ATX system working, instead finding
problem after problem, can't can't even get clue 1 that
millions of systems are running fine despite this
nonsensical notion.

On the other hand we have myself and practically everyone in
this forum, and the next, and the next, hell Tim - it's the
whole world vs YOU.

Whatever it is you're screwing up, take a deep breath and
start learning the basics because somewhere you have gone
terribly wrong. ATX is not a difficult platform to build
on, and I have to wonder if your insistence of all these
problems means that your current system is either:

A) So dorked up it's not even funny.

B) Some alternate platform other than ATX, and all your
prior systems that were ATX were all dorked up.

Funny how you always think everything is impossibly
unworkable as-is, yet the world keeps spinning, we all do
the impossible, and Tim just trolls when we don't pity how
discouraging it must be for him to fail at all the things we
do fine.

 

[kony]

"kony" claimed:


There is nothing oddball about turbulence aiding heat
transfer between a surface and a flowing fluid.

What is oddball is that you can't see but one detail at a
time then pretend you see the bigger picture, the actual
effects of your proposals.

I never claimed turbulence didn't aid in cooling, rather
that trying to create it anywhere except on the surface of
the part being cooled is detrimental.

It is
basic physics and fluid dynamics. Your adamant belief
in laminar flow only reveals your lack of scientific
education.

Tim, you have no scientific clue.
Science is not about learning some grouping of words then
insisting it must apply to some random topic you pulled out
of your arse. Science also demands using the scientific
method to determine if your wild speculations hold even a
grain of truth IN CONTEXT.

You fail pitifully at testing your grand ideas, only
fixating on one lone detail out of many then pretending if
only you repeat the one idea, suddenly nothing else matters.
Maybe in Timville that's true, but then in Timville, even
ATX systems can't run right so it's all starting to make
sense why you have such trouble doing the things everyone
else can.

 

[kony]

"korny" posted:


What dinosaur did you rob to get *those*? Does it have
tubes?

I take it you've conceded you were wrong, as that's when you
start trolling.

 

[kony]

"korny" spewed efluvium:


All you posted were your own claims and denials that
turbulence is better for heat transfer than laminar flow.
When backed into a corner, you weaseled out by
coming up with the absurd claim that only "self turbulence"
was effective, not turbulence arising upstream from an
object to be cooled. When asked to explain what
"self turbulence" was and why it was more effective,
you just danced and weaved.

"Self Turbulence"! What a crock of pseudo science.

Tim, you seem to be the only one who can't even get an ATX
system working properly. Why are you here if you aren't
even going to learn THAT?

 

[Timothy Daniels]

...it is MOSTLY
YOUR INABILITY TO PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
that prevents you from using ATX successfully like millions upon
millions of other people.

I use ATX quite successfully because I know its limitations.
It was designed in a different time - when kornball was only
middle aged. Now ATX and kornball are geriatric and well
past their usefull lives, and if one is saddled with such outdated
legacies, one has merely to work around them. It makes no
sense whatever to adhere blindly to such dated designs when
they have obviously been superceded by the passage of time
and the evolution of electronic technology.

Whatever it is you're screwing up, take a deep breath and
start learning the basics because somewhere you have gone
terribly wrong. ATX is not a difficult platform to build
on, and I have to wonder if your insistence of all these
problems means that your current system is either:

A) So dorked up it's not even funny.

B) Some alternate platform other than ATX, and all your
prior systems that were ATX were all dorked up.

None of my systems are "dorked up". They all work
quite well because I didn't assume that they should
all be cooled the same way. I matched the cooling
configuration to the hardware configuration, and I
only used the ATX specification as a starting point.
If you want to make ATX your religious basis, pray
to it all you want, but don't make it your personal
jihad.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

I never claimed turbulence didn't aid in cooling, rather
that trying to create it anywhere except on the surface of
the part being cooled is detrimental.

Right. Your "self-turbulence". Like your self-physics.

Maybe in Timville that's true, but then in Timville, even
ATX systems can't run right so it's all starting to make
sense why you have such trouble doing the things everyone
else can.

Uhhh... the topic is cooling, right? And did I say ATX
systems don't run right? You're getting confused, Kornball.
Time to take your meds and get your twice-weekly
dialysis.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"korny" kornballed:

I take it you've conceded you were wrong, as that's when you
start trolling.

No, to propose an "experiment" using unknown ancient
systems, the insides of which only you can see and only
you can arrange and only you can photograph and only
you can modify and only you can measure is useless.
And above all, you know that. And no matter how much
you call pointing out your fallacies "trolling", we all know
that your arguments are no more than fluff in the very
wind that you create..

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"korny" danced and weaved and weaseled:

Tim, you seem to be the only one who can't even get an ATX
system working properly. Why are you here if you aren't
even going to learn THAT?

Ah! Now the Kornball changes the subject - the last dodge
of Kornball Konehead. Great. QED.

*TimDaniels*

 

[kony]

I use ATX quite successfully because I know its limitations.

Nonsense. You imply problem after problem when millions of
systems work fine.