Corrupted Registry?

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I just used a program called PC mover to transfer all of my system settings,
application programs and data from my XP machine to my new Vista machine. It
all appeared to go pretty well. However when I ran Easy Cleaner (version
2.0.6.380) on the new machine I was surprised to find 1100 illegal registry
entries. I checked my old machine and at the time of transfer I had only 3
entries I hadn’t cleaned out. I've never seen anything like that in all my
many uses of Easy Cleaner and while I normally assume EC is correct and
deltete all the entries in this case I think something else has happened and
need some guidance as to how to proceed.
 
do not use registry cleaners!!!!

you wont gain much performance from them anyway..

if you insist on using one.. check out ccleaner
that cleans the drives from junk files too
 
Tiberius said:
do not use registry cleaners!!!!

you wont gain much performance from them anyway..

if you insist on using one.. check out ccleaner
that cleans the drives from junk files too






That may be good advice in general but it doesn't help me decide what to do with my current situation.
 
well what do you want to do?

You are saying that the registry problems were created because of the
transfer wizard? Imp not sure that this happens because I do all transfers
manually.

If this is indeed the case just do a system restore

To read about system restore and how to start it
press the help and support on the start menu and type
system restore, then what is system restore
and if you decide to do it, click on the
Click to open system restore link on that help page.

This will revert the registry to a time BEFORE you did the transfer
therefore it will be clean...

I would suggest you do all the transfers manually and
not use a cleaner, unless you really really know what you are doing and you
can decide if the changes it will make are good or not.
 
Are you experiencing any problems that may be related to the registry? I
would second the advice to ignore what the registry cleaner program is
telling you and uninstall it. If you are experiencing some problems post the
details here and someone will help you fix them without the "aid" of a
registry cleaner.
 
LarCrow said:
I just used a program called PC mover to transfer all of my system settings,
application programs and data from my XP machine to my new Vista machine. It
all appeared to go pretty well. However when I ran Easy Cleaner (version
2.0.6.380) on the new machine I was surprised to find 1100 illegal registry
entries. I checked my old machine and at the time of transfer I had only 3
entries I hadn’t cleaned out. I've never seen anything like that in all my
many uses of Easy Cleaner and while I normally assume EC is correct and
deltete all the entries in this case I think something else has happened and
need some guidance as to how to proceed.


Once you've irretrievably damaged the registry by using a snake oil
registry "cleaner," and if you cannot restore the registry from the
backup you made before running the "cleaner," your next step is to try a
repair installation. If that doesn't help, format the hard drive and
start over.



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Bruce Chambers said:
Once you've irretrievably damaged the registry by using a snake oil
registry "cleaner," and if you cannot restore the registry from the
backup you made before running the "cleaner," your next step is to try a
repair installation. If that doesn't help, format the hard drive and
start over.



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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

I appriciate the responses but am surprised at the attitude taken about
registry cleaners. Now I'm just an old duffer who relies a quite a bit on
adice from the "experts". For several years I have subscribed to the
Langalist newsletter written by someone who seems to be pretty knowledgable
and who writes in a way that I can often understand. His conistent advice
ofver the yeas has been to to use a registry cleaner and specifically one
called Easy Cleaner. I have used it and probably have cleaned out 1000s of
lines of supposedly worthless entrie sin the register data that accumulated.
But this time was different, I was now using Vista and the quantitty is
huge. I guess I'm surprised that none of you think it's wise , or worthwhile
to keep the registry clean.

One of you ak what is it I want to do? I'd really want to delte all those
entries and move on, but I'm concerned that somewhere in this PCMove software
process that what might appear to be errouneous or illegal entries are in
fact good stuff. I n retrospect I should have made sure that Easy Cleaner
has been validated with Vista but I am currently trying to determine that. I
guess I was hoping that one of you might have had an experiene like it.
 
I appriciate the responses but am surprised at the attitude taken about
registry cleaners. Now I'm just an old duffer who relies a quite a bit on
adice from the "experts". For several years I have subscribed to the
Langalist newsletter written by someone who seems to be pretty knowledgable
and who writes in a way that I can often understand. His conistent advice
ofver the yeas has been to to use a registry cleaner and specifically one
called Easy Cleaner. I have used it and probably have cleaned out 1000s of
lines of supposedly worthless entrie sin the register data that accumulated.
But this time was different, I was now using Vista and the quantitty is
huge. I guess I'm surprised that none of you think it's wise , or worthwhile
to keep the registry clean.



Here are the issues as I (and I think most of us) see it:

1. Despite what many people (and especially vendors of registry
cleaners) tell you, in the vast majority of cases unused registry
entries don't really slow you down or hurt you in any way. They waste
a tiny amount of disk space, and that's all.

2. Nobody claims that every time you use a registry cleaner, you screw
up your entire computer. However, every time you use a registry
cleaner, you run the *risk* that you will screw something up (worst
case, you could render the entire computer unbootable).

It's a lose-lose situation and is a bad bargain. It makes no sense to
run any risk at all for no prospect of gain.

by the way, I am *not a fan of Fred Langa's, and if I were you, I'd be
very wary of taking his advice unless it was otherwise corroborated.
 
I appriciate the responses but am surprised at the attitude taken about
registry cleaners. Now I'm just an old duffer who relies a quite a bit on
adice from the "experts". For several years I have subscribed to the
Langalist newsletter written by someone who seems to be pretty knowledgable
and who writes in a way that I can often understand. His conistent advice
ofver the yeas has been to to use a registry cleaner and specifically one
called Easy Cleaner. I have used it and probably have cleaned out 1000s of
lines of supposedly worthless entrie sin the register data that accumulated.
But this time was different, I was now using Vista and the quantitty is
huge. I guess I'm surprised that none of you think it's wise , or worthwhile
to keep the registry clean.

It'd be much more wise and worthwhile if MS could learn to not need a
registry. Dumping all eggs into one basket like Windows does with it's
registry is not really a good idea.
One of you ak what is it I want to do? I'd really want to delte all those
entries and move on, but I'm concerned that somewhere in this PCMove software
process that what might appear to be errouneous or illegal entries are in
fact good stuff. I n retrospect I should have made sure that Easy Cleaner
has been validated with Vista but I am currently trying to determine that. I
guess I was hoping that one of you might have had an experiene like it.

No experience with registry cleaners here. Registry doesn't even exist. =)

MS Really needs to get rid of the buggy, error-prone registry that is just
a disaster waiting for a time to happen.

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Stephan Rose said:
It'd be much more wise and worthwhile if MS could learn to not need a
registry. Dumping all eggs into one basket like Windows does with it's
registry is not really a good idea.


No experience with registry cleaners here. Registry doesn't even exist. =)

MS Really needs to get rid of the buggy, error-prone registry that is just
a disaster waiting for a time to happen.

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Thanks to all who attmepted to educate me on the value of registry cleaners.
For the time being I guess Ill just leave the reigistry alone and see if I
have any major problems downstream.
 
LarCrow said:
I appriciate the responses but am surprised at the attitude taken about
registry cleaners. Now I'm just an old duffer who relies a quite a bit on
adice from the "experts". For several years I have subscribed to the
Langalist newsletter written by someone who seems to be pretty knowledgable
and who writes in a way that I can often understand.


Unfortunately, Mr. Langa is a journalist with *NO* technical experience
or training, according to his official bio. Some of his advice is has
been garnered from others, and is occasionally useful; unfortunately,
however, not everything he suggests is wise, some of it's just plain
dangerous.

His conistent advice
ofver the yeas has been to to use a registry cleaner and specifically one
called Easy Cleaner.


Which pretty much proves how little technical experience he has. His
sole criteria, according to his own articles, in judging the relative
"worth" of registry cleaners is how many times one must run the program
before it stops reporting errors: the fewer runs, the better. At no
time does he ever offer any evidence that the use of any of the reviewed
registry cleaners ever fixed actual problems or improved the computer's
performance. He treats these issues as "givens," when they're not. No
independent laboratory has ever confirmed the usefulness (other than to
separate the gullible from their money), safety, or efficacy of registry
"cleaners."

I have used it and probably have cleaned out 1000s of
lines of supposedly worthless entrie sin the register data that accumulated.
But this time was different, I was now using Vista and the quantitty is
huge. I guess I'm surprised that none of you think it's wise , or worthwhile
to keep the registry clean.


Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction,
that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an
untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's
certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
worth the risk.

One of you ak what is it I want to do? I'd really want to delte all those
entries and move on, but I'm concerned that somewhere in this PCMove software
process that what might appear to be errouneous or illegal entries are in
fact good stuff. I n retrospect I should have made sure that Easy Cleaner
has been validated with Vista but I am currently trying to determine that. I
guess I was hoping that one of you might have had an experiene like it.


If you're not experiencing any detectable problems, leave the registry
alone. As one "old duffer" to another: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."


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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

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Thanks to all who attmepted to educate me on the value of registry cleaners.
For the time being I guess Ill just leave the reigistry alone and see if I
have any major problems downstream.

There is nothing wrong with "cleaning" your Registry. Just like with
any software product, some are better than others. All a good Registry
cleaner does is remove dead wood.

Over time Windows' Registry ends up a lot of junk. It can take several
forms. The most common junk is orphaned entries that no longer point
anywhere, so serve NO purpose. This can happen in several ways. When
you uninstall an application it may leave pointers to DLL files or
other files. This can have several bad effects. In the worst case it
can hang Windows or slow it down, sometimes a lot if dopey old
Windows, and we all know how dopey Windows is attempts to look for a
file at boot that isn't there anymore which can happen if you have
pointers in the Registry that no longer go to any valid file. Even if
that isn't happening you have Registry bloat. The more you fiddle
around adding and removing applications or changing setting the more
likely you are to create junk in your Registry that doesn't do
anything. A Registry cleaner finds such references and offers to
remove the Registry Keys that are no longer valid. It works by reading
the entire Registry and confirming each key actually finds the file it
points to. If it can't find it, it flags it as a orphan, since the
Registry Key no longer does anything but take up space.

Better Registry Cleaners ALWAYS make a backup of the Registry before
they clean so if something gets taken out you need usually easy to
restore to where you where. Setting a Restore point is extra
insurance.

Registry Cleaners have come a long way in the past decade or so. They
use to be terrible and did delete some Keys you really did need. That
isn't that common any more and most Registry Cleaners are safe to use.
Most also rank the potential risk of removing the listed keys they
produce. You don't have to do a all or nothing method either. You can
delete only some of what the Registry Cleaner suggests by un checking
items you don't wish to fiddle with.

One of the better Registry Cleaners is part of the Fix-It Utilities 7
from VCom.
 
Lara you must understand that even if you remove thousands of lines thats
very little in file size! lol

To prove this take a notepad and copy pages upon pages of text and save it..
you will see that it takes up only a few KB!!!

You are not doing much by cleaning it, and you are
putting yourself in risk...

There is a danger also now that vista is new that you will mess up things
using such programs.. since vista is different from XP and those programs
might not know all the changes
 
its not a good way, and I know there are other ways to back up the registry,
but kerry brown said to repair windows via the DVD!!!

that would create far more problems since you would need to redownload all
the updates!
Plus its not a foolproof process..

That would be the LAST option!
 
Uninstall Easy Cleaner.
You shouldn't have run it in the first place, so ignore its advice.
Does it claim to be Vista ready?
 
its not a good way, and I know there are other ways to back up the registry,
but kerry brown said to repair windows via the DVD!!!

that would create far more problems since you would need to redownload all
the updates!
Plus its not a foolproof process..

That would be the LAST option!

How happy am I that the only thing I need to back up and restore are text
files. =)

It works, every time! If it doesn't then my file system is screwed and I
have bigger problems to worry about...



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Tiberius said:
its not a good way, and I know there are other ways to back up the
registry, but kerry brown said to repair windows via the DVD!!!

that would create far more problems since you would need to redownload all
the updates!
Plus its not a foolproof process..

That would be the LAST option!


Could you post a link to where I said that? I would not recommend doing a
"repair" install of Vista because there is no such thing. I often recommend
doing a Startup Repair from the Vista DVD which is a very different thing
and does not require reinstalling any updates. Occasionally I have
recommended trying an upgrade of Vista from the Vista DVD which again is a
different process from the "repair" install in XP. Of course, if you used
Vista you would know all this.
 
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