Core 2 Duo Performance

[bards1888]

Well, the reviews have started to arrive, it looks like even the
'slower' E6600 (2.4 ghz 4mb cache) is similar in performance to the
FX-62. What will AMD do now, give the huge price performace disparity ?

Even if they dropped the price on the FX-62 to match the E6600 I
wouldn't buy one.

Great news for the consumer.


Will be interesting to see how the conroe shapes up in 64bit mode.

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

Well, the reviews have started to arrive, it looks like even the
'slower' E6600 (2.4 ghz 4mb cache) is similar in performance to the
FX-62. What will AMD do now, give the huge price performace disparity ?

Even if they dropped the price on the FX-62 to match the E6600 I
wouldn't buy one.

Great news for the consumer.


Will be interesting to see how the conroe shapes up in 64bit mode.

They are slashing their prices so that the price/performance matches
Intel's. Until the K8L comes out next year AMD is back to where they were
before the A64 came out, competing on price alone. Intel is going to own
the high end desktop and the top end of the two socket server market for
at least then next 12 months. AMD still has an advantage in four socket
servers but that's probably a lot less important a market then two socket.

 

[Wes Newell]

They are slashing their prices so that the price/performance matches
Intel's. Until the K8L comes out next year AMD is back to where they were

And they better start the price cuts today. Otherwise they'll find
themselves stuck with a lot of CPU's and no demand for them. I'm going to
be upgrading as soon as the dust clears. Which way I go depends on how
fast AMD cuts their processor pricing by more than 60%. IOW's the E6600
for $331 beats the X2 4800 that cost over $600 now. I's go for an X2 4800
under $300, but no more. Otherwise it's back to Intel for the first time
since my 486SX20.

 

[Ed Light]

Wes, the X2 3800+ will be $170 or less. Just overclock it.


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[Gojira]

were

And they better start the price cuts today. Otherwise they'll find
themselves stuck with a lot of CPU's and no demand for them. I'm going to
be upgrading as soon as the dust clears. Which way I go depends on how
fast AMD cuts their processor pricing by more than 60%. IOW's the E6600
for $331 beats the X2 4800 that cost over $600 now. I's go for an X2 4800
under $300, but no more. Otherwise it's back to Intel for the first time
since my 486SX20.

Not only start the cuts,but start making the newer AM2 models available
faster,you can't find the higher end models anywhere.As a gamer,I always
went with AMD,but the Core 2 Duo's performance in games is amazing.The E6600
is about a quarter of the cost of the FX-62,but almost matches it in
performance.And from what I've heard,the FX series won't be included in the
price cuts anytime soon.

 

[Wes Newell]

Not only start the cuts,but start making the newer AM2 models available
faster,you can't find the higher end models anywhere.As a gamer,I always
went with AMD,but the Core 2 Duo's performance in games is amazing.The E6600
is about a quarter of the cost of the FX-62,but almost matches it in
performance.And from what I've heard,the FX series won't be included in the
price cuts anytime soon.

If they don't cut the price of the FX in half, then they can forget
selling any substantial amount of them. The way i see it, They need to cut
60% off the entire line and do it fast and flood the market with their
current stock. I'd bet their orders have dwindled to next to nothing in
the last week or so and will stay there until a substantial price drop.
With Intel selling the E6700 for $530 anyone would be a fool to pay more
than $450 for an FX/62 which is slower than the E6700. They may need to
even go lower than that since the E6600 for $316 is about as fast as the
FX/62. AMD has to get aggressive are they'll find themselves in deep you
know what fast. Just MO.

 

[Wes Newell]

Wes, the X2 3800+ will be $170 or less. Just overclock it.

Even at $170 it's not going to be a good buy. It needs to get down to
under $150 to be competitive vs. the E6300, which at $183 kills the stock
and overclocked X2 3800. I'd consider this a must read for anyone planning
on purchasing a CPU at this time.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300.html

 

[Gojira]

If they don't cut the price of the FX in half, then they can forget
selling any substantial amount of them. The way i see it, They need to cut
60% off the entire line and do it fast and flood the market with their
current stock. I'd bet their orders have dwindled to next to nothing in
the last week or so and will stay there until a substantial price drop.
With Intel selling the E6700 for $530 anyone would be a fool to pay more
than $450 for an FX/62 which is slower than the E6700. They may need to
even go lower than that since the E6600 for $316 is about as fast as the
FX/62. AMD has to get aggressive are they'll find themselves in deep you
know what fast. Just MO.

If you want an idea of the price comparisions,check out www.jncs.com
they're taking pre-orders on Core 2 systems and AMD systems at the post
price cut prices.

 

[job]

If they don't cut the price of the FX in half, then they can forget
selling any substantial amount of them. The way i see it, They need to cut
60% off the entire line and do it fast and flood the market with their
current stock. I'd bet their orders have dwindled to next to nothing in
the last week or so and will stay there until a substantial price drop.
With Intel selling the E6700 for $530 anyone would be a fool to pay more
than $450 for an FX/62 which is slower than the E6700. They may need to
even go lower than that since the E6600 for $316 is about as fast as the
FX/62. AMD has to get aggressive are they'll find themselves in deep you
know what fast. Just MO.

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Price cuts are supposed to happen starting on the 24th.Next Monday.woohoo. I
just bought a 939 SLI board cheap.CPU next.

 

[Wes Newell]

Price cuts are supposed to happen starting on the 24th.Next Monday.woohoo. I
just bought a 939 SLI board cheap.CPU next.

Well, if AMD waits til the 24th to lower prices, they probably won't get
my business. They should have lowered them the 14th when Intel announced
their new pricing. I think they're making a really bad move the longer
they wait. If I can't get an X2 3800 for $140, I'll be getting an Intel
E6300 more than likely.

 

[Ed]

Well, if AMD waits til the 24th to lower prices, they probably won't get
my business. They should have lowered them the 14th when Intel announced
their new pricing. I think they're making a really bad move the longer
they wait. If I can't get an X2 3800 for $140, I'll be getting an Intel
E6300 more than likely.

Personally I wouldn't touch any new board and CPU for at least the first
3 months, there's always a dozen bugs that still need fixing! The PC
industry as a whole pretty much sucks, they'll sell you anything if it
works for 2 seconds!

Ed

 

[mikepolniak]

Well, if AMD waits til the 24th to lower prices, they probably won't get
my business. They should have lowered them the 14th when Intel announced
their new pricing. I think they're making a really bad move the longer
they wait. If I can't get an X2 3800 for $140, I'll be getting an Intel
E6300 more than likely.

Check out this from techreport.com
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/10368

It looks like the AMD prices are lower than first announced at $149 for
the x2-3800 and $282 for the x2-5000.

Also Intel chips will probably be in short supply and demand a premium
like the recent web pre-orders at $212 for the E6300. The techreport also
says the e6300 and e6400 aren't expected until the 4th Qtr.

In any case the "tulip fever" for the Intel chips and the short supply
until Intel can dump their old inventory means you will probably pay more
than expected for the Intel chips and the new AMD prices will still give
good value.

 

[Wes Newell]

Check out this from techreport.com
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/10368

It looks like the AMD prices are lower than first announced at $149 for
the x2-3800 and $282 for the x2-5000.

That's close to what I wanted.to pay for the X2 3800 so I may just go that
route. At least there's a MB with 4 PCI slots for it. I'm in no rush
though. Glad I didn't upgrade last Dec.

 

[mikellp]

That's close to what I wanted.to pay for the X2 3800 so I may just go that
route. At least there's a MB with 4 PCI slots for it. I'm in no rush
though. Glad I didn't upgrade last Dec.

I like m/b with 4 pci slots too. Right now i have a Biostar Tforce 550 AM2
with a AM2 3200 @2.7 GHz. Nice budget board ($79) with a good BIOS & nice
features. I will probably get an AM2 X2 and just drop it in this board.

 

[scrooge]

Check out this from techreport.com
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/10368

It looks like the AMD prices are lower than first announced at $149 for
the x2-3800 and $282 for the x2-5000.

Also Intel chips will probably be in short supply and demand a premium
like the recent web pre-orders at $212 for the E6300. The techreport also
says the e6300 and e6400 aren't expected until the 4th Qtr.

In any case the "tulip fever" for the Intel chips and the short supply
until Intel can dump their old inventory means you will probably pay more
than expected for the Intel chips and the new AMD prices will still give
good value.

Yeah, I'd expect the intel chips will be pretty expensive for the
short run. Then expect rising oil prices to fuel inflation. Good
idea on Intel's part to talk up price cuts and freeze AMD purchases
for months prior to even getting into the game.

But really, what's the point. AMD only has 20% market share. ****
with them too much and you just get back into the monopoly legal
issues. Of course, it's a Bush white house... and maybe Intel is
taking a page from the Israelis and will smash AMD while there's
still a republican administration.

 

[consumer]

Even at $170 it's not going to be a good buy. It needs to get down to
under $150 to be competitive vs. the E6300, which at $183 kills the stock
and overclocked X2 3800. I'd consider this a must read for anyone planning
on purchasing a CPU at this time.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300.html

But... it doesn't have hyperthreading.

How can I buy a cpu without hyperthreading ?

I'm only halfway through Hyperthreading Programming in 28 Days.

Is it at least 64 bit ?

Thank god there's no DRM stuff packed in there.

 

[Carlo Razzeto]

Well, the reviews have started to arrive, it looks like even the 'slower'
E6600 (2.4 ghz 4mb cache) is similar in performance to the FX-62. What
will AMD do now, give the huge price performace disparity ?

Even if they dropped the price on the FX-62 to match the E6600 I wouldn't
buy one.

Great news for the consumer.


Will be interesting to see how the conroe shapes up in 64bit mode.

Introduce a faster chip... K8L will be interesting when it's available.

 

[Wes Newell]

But... it doesn't have hyperthreading.

Hyperthreading is dead. Netburst (P4) is dead, killed by Intel. It should
have never started. it was crap when it came out ,and remained crap right
up until the last P4 was made.

How can I buy a cpu without hyperthreading ?

What choice will you have when that's all there is?

I'm only halfway through Hyperthreading Programming in 28 Days.

Is it at least 64 bit ?

yes.

 

[C. Sowash]

But... it doesn't have hyperthreading.

How can I buy a CPU without hyperthreading ?

The only reason Intel introduced hyperthreading in the first place was to
compensate for a bad design decision they made in using a very long instruction
pipeline that had tremendous overhead in restarting the operation sequence when
shifting between tasks. All hyperthreading does is preserve the state of the
pipeline so that partially completed instructions don't have to start again at
the front of the pipe; it does _not_ provide any sort of parallel execution for
multiple threads. AMD didn't need hyperthreading because they have a shorter
instruction pipeline with lower context switching overhead. The Core 2 Duo
uses a redesigned architecture with a pipeline similar to AMD so they don't
need hyperthreading any more to make up for slow context switching.
"Hyperthreading" was a clever marketing term to make a kludge to overcome a
deficiency sound like an advantage.

I'm only halfway through Hyperthreading Programming in 28 Days.

With a dual processor, you have two real threads with real parallel processing.

 

[VanShania]

Actually, AMD claims 80% of the market share starting Jan 2006 for desktop
computers



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