Copying files to CDROM - confusing instructions

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Richard Fangnail

Have you found that instructions for doing this are inaccurate, if you
search in microsoft.com or use the Help files in Windows Explorer?

I've found that I could get it to work right using just Windows
Explorer but the doc doesn't match it at all.

One confusing thing is WHEN the files are actually copied. Sometimes
it's right before you eject the CD and other times I think it's right
when you copy the icons in Windows Explorer.
 
Richard Fangnail said:
Have you found that instructions for doing this are inaccurate, if you
search in microsoft.com or use the Help files in Windows Explorer?

I've found that I could get it to work right using just Windows
Explorer but the doc doesn't match it at all.

One confusing thing is WHEN the files are actually copied. Sometimes
it's right before you eject the CD and other times I think it's right
when you copy the icons in Windows Explorer.

It's pretty straightforward.

You will find that if you view the CD via My Computer, there's a "Write to
CD" option.

This lets you collect a number of files and burn once you have the
collection complete.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306524

HTH
-pk
 
It's pretty straightforward.

You will find that if you view the CD via My Computer, there's a "Write to
CD" option.

This lets you collect a number of files and burn once you have the
collection complete.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306524

HTH
-pk

One reason why I was confused was that when I copied files to a
floppy, it would be as simple and obvious as copying from one folder
to another within the same drive. But with CDROMs it's not quite as
obvious.

Have you found that when copying files to a CDROM, it writes to the
CDROM right away? I remember incidents where nothing was written
until I Ejected, at which point it wrote to it.
 
Doesn't sound like what I experience with Windows's CD writing, though it might be the way other direct-burning apps work. My understanding, assuming it's just the Windows writer, is that when you drag a file to the CD, it's only a shortcut (or it may be written to some kind of cache.) You have to tell it to write, though you get prompts at startup, and perhaps when the CD is ejected, that you have unwritten files and do you want to write them to CD now? I've never heard of it being automatic.
 
Richard Fangnail said:
One reason why I was confused was that when I copied files to a
floppy, it would be as simple and obvious as copying from one folder
to another within the same drive. But with CDROMs it's not quite as
obvious.

Have you found that when copying files to a CDROM, it writes to the
CDROM right away? I remember incidents where nothing was written
until I Ejected, at which point it wrote to it.

When you add files to the CD to be burned they are written to a Temp folder. AFAIK
the files are not written to disk until the user executes "Copy files to disk" or
something to that effect. You must be getting prompted upon exit that there are
files waiting to be copied, I've never known it to automatically execute a burn
without user intervention.
If the user chooses not to burn the files at the time of being prompted, the next
time the drive is accessed the files will still be there waiting to be burned taking
into consideration the user didn't delete them.

For more control:
Get the free CD BurnerXP Pro: http://www.cdburnerxp.se/features.php

Check for your CD/DVD drive compatibility here:
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/testeddrives.php



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Richard said:
One reason why I was confused was that when I copied files to a
floppy, it would be as simple and obvious as copying from one folder
to another within the same drive. But with CDROMs it's not quite as
obvious.

CDs and floppies have little in common - heck, they're not even the same
shape!

A CD has only one track - actually it's a gigantic spiral. In order to build
the directory at the front, it has to know everything that's going to be on
the CD before anything can be written!

Point is, writing CDs is way different from your experience with floppies.
 
Richard Fangnail said:
One reason why I was confused was that when I copied files to a
floppy, it would be as simple and obvious as copying from one folder
to another within the same drive. But with CDROMs it's not quite as
obvious.

Have you found that when copying files to a CDROM, it writes to the
CDROM right away? I remember incidents where nothing was written
until I Ejected, at which point it wrote to it.

No, it waits until you have finished assembling files to be written to the
CD. This is completely normal for CD-burning applications.

If you want to get around this, get packet-writing software and use CD/RW
disks. Packet software includes things like Sonic DLA, Nero InCD, and I
can't remember the Roxio name, perhaps DirectCD. These allow you to format
a CD/RW or DVD/RW, it's assigned a drive letter, and you use it as any other
disk; then files *are* written as you go along. XP does *not* include
packet software, and can't natively write to DVDs at all.

Usually, you'll get this as part of the software bundle with a new DVD
burner drive.

HTH
-pk
 
Yes, Roxio's is DirectCD. Or, at least, it was last time I looked.
 
I would imagine that the barebones "copy to Cd" that comes in windows would
choose to compile all before burning. And Roxio's "Drag and Drop" feature
would be what people are looking for.
I don't know if this option is in any MS programs. But through "FreshUI"
you have the option to add to your right click drop down a "Copy to"feature.
When selected and then select the Burner drive it instantly burns the file or
whatever to the CD.
 
Dunno, I have Roxio 8 installed and it changes all that, even though I
didn't install the packet-writing stuff.
 
HeyBub said:
CDs and floppies have little in common - heck, they're not even the same
shape!

The square bit on the flopppy is just a cover, disk inside is round.
A CD has only one track - actually it's a gigantic spiral. In order to
build the directory at the front, it has to know everything that's going
to be on the CD before anything can be written!

Point is, writing CDs is way different from your experience with floppies.

I think the guy knows this, hence his confusion with the windows method of
CD writing.

With packet writing software you can use the CD just like another drive.

You format, then drag and drop the files and they are written immediately.

As he states when you drag your files to the CD, they are not written, so
it's the windows integration that has thrown him off. I.E. it makes the CD
look just like any other explorer window, so he expects it to act the same.
 
Richard Fangnail said:
One reason why I was confused was that when I copied files to a
floppy, it would be as simple and obvious as copying from one folder
to another within the same drive. But with CDROMs it's not quite as
obvious.

Have you found that when copying files to a CDROM, it writes to the
CDROM right away? I remember incidents where nothing was written
until I Ejected, at which point it wrote to it.

I think the problem here is a lack of understanding about the differences
between the media and how they store data. A floppy disk (and indeed a hard
disk) stores any files written to it as individual files spread over the
individual sectors of the disk (but actually grouped into clusters for
convenience). Thus it is possible to write one file and then sometime
later, write another file because the clusters are all individually
identifiable, findable and writeable.

CDs don't work that way. The read/write laser in a CD drive cannot
accurately locate precise locations on the disk. Consequently, all the
files written have to be assembled into a continuous stream and written as a
single track. Originally, you only had one go at writing this track. Once
written nothing could be added to it. Subsequent developments have allowed
CDs to be written in more than one 'session', but the actual number of
sessions is severely limited by several factors. The CD is provided with a
table of Contents and file allocation table that allows the files to be
located and read.

Now if you are using XPs own CD writing utility, you can drag and drop files
to the CD drive, but this doesn't actually write the file. You can continue
dragging and dropping files to assemble what you wish to burn to the CD.
Once you have finished, you click 'Write files to CD' and XP then assembles
the files, creates the supporting file structure for the CD and then writes
the whole lot to the CD in one go.

Most CD burning packages such Nero and Easy Media Creator perform much the
same job but with a bit more versatility (and they support DVD writing which
XP does not).

If you really want to write individual files to a CD in a similar manner to
floppy disk, there is software that supports such use. InCD from Nero and
Drag-to-Disk from Roxio are good examples (the former only supports CD-RW
disks). However the disks produced are not compatible with any PC that does
have the applications installed (or at least a suitable driver). The system
also has a reliability problem because the writing routines are unable to
accurately locate individual data blocks on the CD and have to leave large
gaps between successive writes. It works most of the time, but occasionally
a disk gets corrupted.

Hope that makes it clearer.
 
dobey said:
The square bit on the flopppy is just a cover, disk inside is round.

I stand corrected. When I put a CD in a box, it is indeed the same shape as
a floppy. Yet when I put a CD in a clam-shell holder, it is round (almost)
again.

It's so confusing!
 
Gary S. Terhune said:
Yes, Roxio's is DirectCD. Or, at least, it was last time I looked.

Strewth! You must have looked a very long time ago. Direct CD was replaced
with Drag-to-disk more or less when XP came out as the former was not 100%
compatible with XP.
 
Like I said, I don't use it, so its moniker is of no importance to me. And
yes, until recently, I used a version of Roxio Suite that came out ~2000 or
2001.
 

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