copy hard drive?

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rc

Hello group,

I am running out of space on my hard drive and want to migrate to a larger
one. Can I "copy" my current hard drive onto a larger one? Is it necessary
to purchase software to do so. PC running SP with all the SP packages.
Also would hate to have to reinstall the many programs involved. Thanks.
 
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Bruce Chambers

rc said:
Hello group,

I am running out of space on my hard drive and want to migrate to a larger
one. Can I "copy" my current hard drive onto a larger one? Is it necessary
to purchase software to do so. PC running SP with all the SP packages.
Also would hate to have to reinstall the many programs involved. Thanks.


Many hard drive manufacturers provide a free hard drive cloning utility
for just this purpose, when you purchase one of their products.


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airsmoothed

Hello group,

I am running out of space on my hard drive and want to migrate to a larger
one.  Can I "copy" my current hard drive onto a larger one?  Is it necessary
to purchase software to do so.  PC running SP with all the SP packages.
Also would hate to have to reinstall the many programs involved.  Thanks.

I used Acronis trueimage to do exactly what you want to do, the fully
functional free trial lasts 30 days IIRC which was fine for my
purposes. i had the new HDD in a USB caddy, copied my C: drive to it
using Acronis then swapped the old HDD out for the one in the caddy.


http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/
 
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peter

As Bruce said but sometimes it does not come with the
purchased HD and you need to go to the manufacturers
website to download it.
You install the program and hook your new HD up
When you run the program it "clones" your old drive to the new.
you then shut down and remove the old drive and connect the new
drive to the same connector as the old was connected to.
Then start up and all should run as intended...but as always there
are no guarantees...
peter
 
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rc

Thanks all.
peter said:
As Bruce said but sometimes it does not come with the
purchased HD and you need to go to the manufacturers
website to download it.
You install the program and hook your new HD up
When you run the program it "clones" your old drive to the new.
you then shut down and remove the old drive and connect the new
drive to the same connector as the old was connected to.
Then start up and all should run as intended...but as always there
are no guarantees...
peter

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Paul

rc said:
Hello group,

I am running out of space on my hard drive and want to migrate to a larger
one. Can I "copy" my current hard drive onto a larger one? Is it necessary
to purchase software to do so. PC running SP with all the SP packages.
Also would hate to have to reinstall the many programs involved. Thanks.

Most of the hard drives that are for sale, consist of just the
hard drive mechanism. When you need the software, you download
it from the manufacturer site.

Such a drive is called "OEM" or "white box", because it comes
with nothing. A "retail" drive, would come in a nice padded box,
with perhaps a ribbon cable, adapter plates, jumpers, software CD,
and warranty paper. Modern sales techniques now, usually result
in a user getting the OEM type, which comes with nothing. Of two OEM
drives I bought recently, one had a jumper available on the back
in the jumper area, while the second drive had none. So your purchase
is about as "bare" as it gets. Depending on the e-tailer selling the
hard drive, it may not even be packed safely for courier transport
(UPS treatment). (This is one reason I buy drives locally, from a
company that pulls one from the padded box and hands it to you. Then
I know the drive wasn't flopping around in a UPS box.)

For Seagate, you can get DiskWizard software here. The DiskWizard
software is actually Acronis branded software, provided by Seagate.

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD

Note - if you copy your C: (boot) partition to the new disk, and
plan to boot from the new disk, remember to physically disconnect
the old disk, when booting the new disk for the first time.
Once the new disk has been used to boot the computer at least
once alone, you can then re-connect the old drive at a later
date and continue to use it. It is just the first reboot
of the new disk, where the old disk should be disconnected.

*******

In terms of the hard drives, they come in two types. Older
computers use a ribbon cable to connect the hard drive. They're
referred to now as PATA. PATA is a dying breed, and the disk manufacturers
have stopped making them. What few of them remain, are old stock.

"Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3160215A 160GB 7200 RPM 2MB Cache IDE "

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148212

This is an example of the older ribbon cable drives in action.

http://freepctech.com/pc/001/installing_ide_devices.shtml

Most of the drives for sale now are SATA. There is a 15 pin power
connector and a 7 pin data connector on those. And a thin cable
is used for the data connection to the drive.

To convert from a SATA drive, to a PATA connector, you can use
one of these.

"IDE2SAT" - black part 15+7 pin thing, plugs into the back of the
SATA drive. The 40 pin header on the back, connects to the computer
ribbon cable. The little jumper on the left, supports "Master" or
"Slave" operation. There is also a power cable provided in the
box with this one. (Some IDE host to SATA drive adapters, come
with no power cable, which is stupid. On those, a cable may be
purchased separately.)

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/12-200-156-S01?$S640W$

Using the adapter, chances are you'll be able to boot from the new
drive.

Intel does not recommend or approve of the use of those kinds
of adapters, but I've been using that particular one without
problems. The hardest part of using it, is getting the ribbon
cable connector off the adapter later. There is no convenient
way of easing the connector off the pins.

This is a view of the interface area on the newer SATA drive.
You can see the 15 pin power and 7 pin data on the left. There
can also be some jumper pins on the drive. One jumper position
is "Force 150", for forcing the cable to operate at the lower
150MB/sec interface rate. That jumper is used, if the computer
motherboard has a VIA chipset for the SATA interface. Otherwise,
there isn't generally a reason to be using the jumper section
on a SATA drive. It is more "Plug and Play" than the older
ribbon cable type of drive. On the ribbon cable kind of
drives, you have to worry about what jumper setting to use.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/22-136-496-S02?$S640$

Computers can be limited, as to how large a drive they will support.
Computers designed after the year 2003, are probably OK.
There is little information available otherwise, as to which older
computers are going to be a pain to work with. I have an eleven year
old motherboard, that supports drives up to 137GB. Motherboards a
few years older than that, have a 64GB or so limitation.

Real PATA drives (not just an adapted SATA drive), have a jumper
position called "Clip". The clip jumper is used to change the
geometry the drive reports to the BIOS. It provided a convenient
means, to change a drive to having a size of around 33GB or so.
Such a trick is useful for those older computers which won't support
big drives. But once all the PATA drives are gone from retail,
then there won't be any way to "clip" a SATA drive, to match that
behavior. So it will be more difficult to find a good drive option,
for the really old computers (12+ years old).

Paul
 
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rc

Now the computer using the new disk will not boot. The windows XP screen
begins and then promptly keeps attempting to restart. As far as I could
tell the migration went ok (solely based on the completion messages/results
given by the Acronis software). I'm assuming the migration would include
making the disk bootable???
Before I attempted any "cloning" I formatted the new disk and ran ckdsk and
no errors were reported. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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Paul

rc said:
Now the computer using the new disk will not boot. The windows XP screen
begins and then promptly keeps attempting to restart. As far as I could
tell the migration went ok (solely based on the completion messages/results
given by the Acronis software). I'm assuming the migration would include
making the disk bootable???
Before I attempted any "cloning" I formatted the new disk and ran ckdsk and
no errors were reported. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

That sounds like you partitioned the disk, and then used Acronis to
copy just the files across. Perhaps you could use Acronis to just
make a complete copy of the old C: partition ? That is likely the
easiest option. I'm not an Acronis user, as I have enough junk
of one sort and another here, to get the job done.

*******

When I've done that (just copy files from old partition, to newly
prepared formatted partition), the bit that is missing is the boot
sectors. A program like Robocopy (Microsoft) can be used to copy files
and preserve permissions and so on. But it doesn't copy the boot sectors.

The boot sectors can be put back, by using the Recovery Console and "fixboot".
You take a WinXP installer CD, boot that, and select Recovery Console.
"fixboot" is a command available, once you're running in the Recovery Console.
It isn't clear to me, how you'd get a Recovery Console, if you had a Dell.

"Recovery Console overview"
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...roddocs/en-us/bootcons_diskpart.mspx?mfr=true

"To install the Recovery Console as a startup option"
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...roddocs/en-us/bootcons_diskpart.mspx?mfr=true

(List of commands, including fixboot. Fixboot accepts a drive letter, so you
can fix that new disk.)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058

So perhaps there is some other option in Acronis. It would be pretty
silly if it couldn't copy a bootable partition with it. I don't use
Acronis here. (Copying sector by sector, then using Partition Magic,
is the way I do it.)

*******

To copy sector by sector, I use "dd" or Disk Dump. There is even a
port for Windows. If your new disk is bigger than the old disk, you
can copy the entire disk with one command, like this

dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb

That would copy all the partitions from one disk to another, and
even copy the MBR in sector 0. The Windows port of "dd", uses
a different naming convention for disks (the Windows naming conventions),
but you use the "dd --list" option, to get names for all the disks.

Once the disk is copied, the partitions would be the wrong size.
By using my copy of Partition Magic, I could resize any partition
as desired. Since the new disk is bigger than the old, I might resize
one of the partitions, to use the slack space left on the new disk.

If I wanted to copy just one partition, in the Linux world the partitions
are numbered. The Windows naming convention also numbers the partitions.
(Partition0 is the whole disk. Partition1 is just the first partition.)

dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1

I would first need to make a new entry in the MBR of the output disk.
I set that up using "fdisk" in Linux, which allows me to define
primary partitions on a new disk. I suppose I could also do that
from Disk Management, and save time by not formatting the partition.
(Since I'm about to replace all the sectors in that partition by doing
a sector by sector copy.) Then, I can use "dd" to copy the
sectors.

So it is easy to be a bit more surgical, but the problem remains
that the partition must be resized after this step is complete.
There is at least one free package for Windows, that will do
partition resizing. I have an older copy of Partition Magic, that
I use once in a while for this, so I haven't needed to use the free
one. (Since you'd only be using the free partition resizer on your
new, cloned disk, there is little danger of any permanent damage,
as you can start over again if it screws up.)

The port of "dd" is here. This runs in a Command (MSDOS) window.

http://www.chrysocome.net/dd

To review the four primary partition entries, if I'm in Windows,
I can use this. ptedit32 is a free download. This allows me to
compare the partitions of the source and destination disks, if I
need to. (I can also do that using "fdisk" in Linux if I wanted.
It all depends on where I am, as to which I might use.) I use this,
when I need exact numbers for sizes.

PTEDIT32 for Windows
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip

PTEDIT32 screenshot
http://www.vistax64.com/attachments...n-partiton-recovery-dell-xps-420-dell-tbl.gif

Basically, what I'd be looking for there, is confirmation that the
source partition and destination partition, are the same size. So
there are no "accidents" when using "dd".

"dd" can be used to copy all or a part of something. It takes
a block size argument, a count argument, and using those arguments
can make "dd" run about three times faster. The command also accepts
seek and skip options, for snipping just a section out of a partition
or a single file. I haven't given any examples of that in the above,
but I have used seek/skip, when trying to find the metadata on a
raid array. Since I don't have a disk editor program, I can snip a
couple meg up near the end of the disk, and then use a regular hex
editor to look at the data.

*******

I think getting Acronis to take care of this, is your best option right
now. Screwing around is for when you've got more time. I learned how
to do this stuff, by experimenting, and when you take the time into
account for making mistakes, this isn't a one day learning experience.
So far (knocks on wood), I haven't destroyed any source disks :)

Paul
 
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airsmoothed

That sounds like you partitioned the disk, and then used Acronis to
copy just the files across. Perhaps you could use Acronis to just
make a complete copy of the old C: partition ? That is likely the
easiest option. I'm not an Acronis user, as I have enough junk
of one sort and another here, to get the job done.


I think getting Acronis to take care of this, is your best option right
now. Screwing around is for when you've got more time. I learned how
to do this stuff, by experimenting, and when you take the time into
account for making mistakes, this isn't a one day learning experience.
So far (knocks on wood), I haven't destroyed any source disks :)

    Paul

On the two occasions I've used Acronis then I cloned the entire C:
drive, not selected files or anything. This worked fine, although it
did take a couple of hours or so to do the cloning, pretty much as
detailed here IIRC:-

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/16043.aspx
 
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rc

Thanks. I'll give it a try. Another question....can it be a compatibility
problem? Also, how would I know? I was using a 20GB, WDCWD200BB-75DEA0 and
trying to migrate to 80GB Hitachi (HDS728080PLAT20).
Additional note** The last time I tried to format the new hard drive I
received a message at the very end that "Windows was unable to complete
format". thanks again
 
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airsmoothed

Thanks. I'll give it a try.  Another question....can it be a compatibility
problem?  Also, how would I know?  I was using a 20GB, WDCWD200BB-75DEA0 and
trying to migrate to 80GB Hitachi (HDS728080PLAT20).
Additional note**  The last time I tried to format the new hard drive I
received a message at the very end that "Windows was unable to complete

Not that it should make any difference, but how is the Hitachi drive
connected, internally on an IDE bus, or in an external caddy?
 
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rc

Airsmoothed, internally on an IDE bus.
Thanks. I'll give it a try. Another question....can it be a compatibility
problem? Also, how would I know? I was using a 20GB, WDCWD200BB-75DEA0 and
trying to migrate to 80GB Hitachi (HDS728080PLAT20).
Additional note** The last time I tried to format the new hard drive I
received a message at the very end that "Windows was unable to complete

Not that it should make any difference, but how is the Hitachi drive
connected, internally on an IDE bus, or in an external caddy?
 
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Paul

rc said:
Thanks. I'll give it a try. Another question....can it be a compatibility
problem? Also, how would I know? I was using a 20GB, WDCWD200BB-75DEA0 and
trying to migrate to 80GB Hitachi (HDS728080PLAT20).
Additional note** The last time I tried to format the new hard drive I
received a message at the very end that "Windows was unable to complete
format". thanks again

I did a search on "hard drive limits" and this is the first article
I found.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/482/5

It points out, that older BIOS addressed disks by CHS (cylinder,head,sector)
rather than LBA, and this caused some of the lower limits. But those were
BIOS limits - in other words, boot time problems.

The ATA IDE standard has 28 bit and 48 bit addressing. 28 bits allows
addressing to 137GB (decimal). That is a limitation you can see for
yourself, while attempting to install Windows on a new disk. I tested
my early version of Win2K, and when it offers to prepare a large drive,
it only offers up to 137GB when that version of Win2K is used. I also
tested a later version of Win2K, patched to SP4, and it offered
to partition the entire large drive. So it would go past the 137GB
limitation. WinXP requires a Service Pack as well, to prepare and
install an entire large hard drive.

With regard to "Windows was unable to complete the format", the search
results mainly seemed to involve things like FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 and their
limits. So you may be attempting to do something outside the limits
of your choice. WinXP doesn't like to support formatting FAT32 any larger
than about 32GB or so. I think the FAT32 standard works up to 2TB, and you
can find separate formatting tools that will handle the job for you. NTFS
shouldn't have a limit like that (Windows won't limit you to 32GB when you
ask for NTFS). Microsoft imposed a limitation on the OS tool, to encourage
people to use NTFS for large file systems. I use NTFS for archive volumes
(where I keep Linux distros I've downloaded) and NTFS supports individual
files larger than 4GB in size. That is my main reason for using it. On my
C: drive right now, it is still FAT32. (It means I can easily read
that drive from an MSDOS boot floppy.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table

This is an example of a formatter, that will handle large drives and make
them FAT32 if you want. I've used this one, when working with my 160GB disks.

http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm

The Windows "convert" command, can change a FAT32 partition to NTFS. I don't
know if it likes to go in the reverse direction. So you can change from
one to the other, without having to backup and restore to do it.

Anyway, think about what you're trying to do, what kind of storage
device it is (USB flash, IDE hard drive, SATA hard drive), and maybe
you can make more sense of the error message.

With regard to the 137GB limit, this document, from a few years back, had
advice on various ways to make large IDE ribbon cable drives work. Seagate
removed this from their site, but there is an archived copy. The archive
site is temperamental - if you can't get the doc, try later. This site
has amazing hardware, but less than sterling uptime. It has something
like 5500 1TB drives mounted in a shipping container, as well as its
original racks of equipment.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070121085230/http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/tp/137gb.pdf

Right now, the only thing I can think of, is you tried to make the entire
80GB a FAT32 partition. The fat32format program should be able to handle
that for you. You can use Disk Management in Windows, to partition the
disk (but not format it). Then use the separate formatter program
to finish the job. The formatter works quite quickly.

I don't keep a lot of neat notes about all this stuff, and when something
gets in my way, I just start bashing on it :) It helps to have a few
tools in the tool belt.

Paul
 
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Anna

rc said:
I am running out of space on my hard drive and want to migrate to a larger
one. Can I "copy" my current hard drive onto a larger one? Is it
necessary to purchase software to do so. PC running SP with all the SP
packages. Also would hate to have to reinstall the many programs involved.
Thanks.
Now the computer using the new disk will not boot. The windows XP screen
begins and then promptly keeps attempting to restart. As far as I could
tell the migration went ok (solely based on the completion
messages/results given by the Acronis software). I'm assuming the
migration would include making the disk bootable???
Before I attempted any "cloning" I formatted the new disk and ran ckdsk
and no errors were reported. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks. I'll give it a try. Another question....can it be a compatibility
problem? Also, how would I know? I was using a 20GB, WDCWD200BB-75DEA0
and trying to migrate to 80GB Hitachi (HDS728080PLAT20).
Additional note** The last time I tried to format the new hard drive I
received a message at the very end that "Windows was unable to complete
format". thanks again


rc:
1. First of all we'll start with the premise that your current system
involving the 20 GB HDD boots without incident and functions properly in all
respects, i.e., as far as you can determine there are *no* problems with the
system. That's right, isn't it? Because if it isn't, don't go any further.
If there are any issues and/or problems that exist they must be overcome
before you can undertake what you have termed a "migration" of data from the
old HDD to a new one.

2. Based on the various posts in this thread I assume you've attempted to
use the Acronis True Image program to undertake the disk-cloning operation;
possibly their trial version. Is that correct? Or have you been using the
Seagate DiscWizard program which, as Paul pointed out, is a derivative of
the ATI program (basically an earlier version of the ATI program)? The
reason I mention the latter program is that our experience with the Seagate
version (although we haven't used it for some time now) was quite negative
in that we found the program very erratic in properly carrying out its
disk-cloning function.

3. You mentioned a problem formatting the new 80 GB HDD. Ordinarily it is
unnecessary to format the disk if you're using a disk-cloning program to
clone the contents of the "source" HDD (in your case the 20 GB HDD) to the
"destination" disk (the 80 GB HDD). There's no harm in doing so but it's
unnecessary.

Your "Additional note" indicates that "the last time" you were unable to
format the new HDD. Yet you previously indicated that you did format that
disk apparently successfully. Was the unsuccessful formatting operation
undertaken following the unsuccessful disk-cloning operation? Is that why
you attempted to again format that disk?

4. Have you repeated the disk-cloning operation with the Acronis program a
number of times? Always with the same results in that the cloning operation
seems to proceed normally (no error messages from Acronis) but the system
will not boot with the new HDD?

5. IMMEDIATELY following the disk-cloning operation have you disconnected
the old 20 GB HDD so that the *only* HDD (or any other storage device)
connected in the system is the 80 GB HDD? And you've connected the drive as
Primary Master in your system? And you've checked the BIOS as you boot to
determine that the boot priority order setting indicates a first boot to
that 80 GB HDD?
Anna

which obviously indicates something is amiss. Did you attempt the formatting
using XP's Disk Management utility? Did you connect the disk as an internal
(secondary) HDD in your system to do so? Or did you install it in an
external enclosure using USB connectivity?

Do you have any clue as to why the formatting process was unsuccessful? Did
you check out the HDD
 
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Anna

Anna said:
rc:
1. First of all we'll start with the premise that your current system
involving the 20 GB HDD boots without incident and functions properly in
all respects, i.e., as far as you can determine there are *no* problems
with the system. That's right, isn't it? Because if it isn't, don't go any
further. If there are any issues and/or problems that exist they must be
overcome before you can undertake what you have termed a "migration" of
data from the old HDD to a new one.

2. Based on the various posts in this thread I assume you've attempted to
use the Acronis True Image program to undertake the disk-cloning
operation; possibly their trial version. Is that correct? Or have you been
using the Seagate DiscWizard program which, as Paul pointed out, is a
derivative of the ATI program (basically an earlier version of the ATI
program)? The reason I mention the latter program is that our experience
with the Seagate version (although we haven't used it for some time now)
was quite negative in that we found the program very erratic in properly
carrying out its disk-cloning function.

3. You mentioned a problem formatting the new 80 GB HDD. Ordinarily it is
unnecessary to format the disk if you're using a disk-cloning program to
clone the contents of the "source" HDD (in your case the 20 GB HDD) to the
"destination" disk (the 80 GB HDD). There's no harm in doing so but it's
unnecessary.

Your "Additional note" indicates that "the last time" you were unable to
format the new HDD. Yet you previously indicated that you did format that
disk apparently successfully. Was the unsuccessful formatting operation
undertaken following the unsuccessful disk-cloning operation? Is that why
you attempted to again format that disk?

4. Have you repeated the disk-cloning operation with the Acronis program a
number of times? Always with the same results in that the cloning
operation seems to proceed normally (no error messages from Acronis) but
the system will not boot with the new HDD?

5. IMMEDIATELY following the disk-cloning operation have you disconnected
the old 20 GB HDD so that the *only* HDD (or any other storage device)
connected in the system is the 80 GB HDD? And you've connected the drive
as Primary Master in your system? And you've checked the BIOS as you boot
to determine that the boot priority order setting indicates a first boot
to that 80 GB HDD?
Anna

which obviously indicates something is amiss. Did you attempt the
formatting using XP's Disk Management utility? Did you connect the disk as
an internal (secondary) HDD in your system to do so? Or did you install it
in an external enclosure using USB connectivity?

Do you have any clue as to why the formatting process was unsuccessful?
Did you check out the HDD


rc:
At least for the moment, disregard the "postscript" following my sig.
Anna
 
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ybS2okj

It's amazing. Not a single word about Casper here! What happened to your
favorite Casper Anna? Have you dropped it and moved on to something new?
 
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Anna

ybS2okj said:
It's amazing. Not a single word about Casper here! What happened to your
favorite Casper Anna? Have you dropped it and moved on to something new?


rc
I'm glad "yb..." reminded me about the Casper disk-cloning program. Actually
I *was* going to recommend that program to you but since you indicated you
were using the Acronis True Image program to clone the contents of your old
HDD to your new HDD I thought it best to forgo that recommendation.

But since "yb..." has raised the subject...

We're strong proponents of the Casper disk-cloning program, particularly the
latest version 6 of that program. In our view it's a superb disk-cloning
program superior to the Acronis program and every other disk-cloning program
we've used over the years.

The Casper program is extremely simple to use even for an inexperienced
user, reasonably quick in operation, and quite effective. There's virtually
no "learning curve" in undertaking the disk cloning process as one navigates
through the few easy-to-understand screens with a final mouse-click on the
button on the screen which will trigger the disk-cloning process. After
undertaking one or two disk-cloning operations it should take the user no
more than 15 - 20 seconds or so to get to that point.

But the truly significant advantage of the Casper 6.0 disk cloning program
compared with other disk cloning programs that we're familiar with, e.g.,
Acronis True Image, is its ability to create *incremental* disk clones
following the creation of the original (first) disk clone. Employing what
Casper calls its "SmartClone" technology the program can create subsequent
disk clones of the source HDD usually at a fraction of the time it takes to
create a "full" disk clone. This results in a decided incentive for the user
to undertake frequent complete backups of his or her system knowing that
they can create "incremental" disk clones in a relatively short period of
time. Understand that this "incremental disk clone" is a *complete* clone
(copy) of the "source" HDD, not merely an "incremental file" or "archive".
Thus the PC user is encouraged to maintain reasonably up-to-date *complete*
backups of his/her system on a frequent basis.

So if you use the program to back up your system every few days or on a
weekly basis (or even daily) it will probably take not much more than 4 or 5
minutes to complete the disk-cloning operation. Obviously the amount of time
it will take will depend upon the amount of data being cloned and the time
that has elapsed between disk-cloning operations.

(I realize that you've expressed an interest *only* in cloning the contents
of your "old" HDD to the "new" HDD. Admittedly if you had no interest in
establishing & maintaining a comprehensive backup system and this
disk-cloning operation you have in mind would be a "one-shot" deal in that
you would rarely use the program on a *routine* basis, then there would be
no real incentive for you to purchase the Casper program. But please give
some thought to employing a disk-cloning program on a routine & frequent
basis so that you could easily maintain an up-to-date *comprehensive* backup
of your entire system. Using the Casper 6 program would allow you to do so
easily & relatively quickly.

Again, bear in mind that the recipient of the clone - the "destination" HDD
(internal or external) - would contain the *complete* contents of one's
internal HDD (presumably the boot drive). Since that destination drive would
be a precise copy of the source HDD, its contents would be immediately
accessible to the user and potentially bootable. Naturally its contents
could be cloned back to a internal HDD should a restoration of the system be
necessary. Again, what better backup system can one have? And again -
because the Casper disk-cloning operation takes a relatively short period of
time to complete its disk-cloning operations there's a strong incentive for
the user to more frequently keep their backups up-to-date than they might
otherwise do.

Following the disk-cloning operation it's generally advisable for the user
to boot to the newly-cloned HDD in order to ensure that the clone "took",
i.e., the clone is perfectly bootable & functional in all respects. Another
significant advantage of the Casper 6 program is that it now provides boot
capability to a cloned USB-connected external HDD - a capability that eluded
us in the past. On the other hand should you use another
internally-connected HDD as the "destination" drive you would (temporarily)
set the BIOS boot priority order to first-boot to the latter drive.

The Casper 6 program is also capable of scheduling the disk-cloning
operation on a daily, weekly, or other time period selected by the user so
that should the user prefer he or she could arrange for automatic backups at
pre-determined times.

A trial version of the program is available at http://www.fssdev.com, so you
may want to give it a try and see how you like it. The trial version is
slightly crippled in that while that program will clone the contents of your
old HDD to the new one, the partition on the "destination" HDD, i.e., the
recipient of the clone will be created only large enough to contain the
total contents of the "source" HDD. For example, in your case let's say you
have 17 GB of data on your 20 GB HDD that you're cloning to your new 80 GB
HDD. The partition on the destination 80 GB HDD created by the program will
be 17 GB. The remaining disk-space will be "unallocated" - disk-space that
you can later partition/format should you choose. Naturally this limitation
is not present on the licensed version of the program. You'll be able to
easily manipulate partitions on the destination drive in any manner you
choose.
Anna
 
R

rc

Anna,

In response to your intitial post...you are correct on all accounts. I
should point out that my expression of the HDD being originally formatted by
myself is incorrect. I meant that the initial cloning (which I assumed
would include formatting) was seemingly ok. Only after the new 80GB HDD
would not boot did I run chkdsk and attempted to format the HDD in order to
wipe it clean and try again.
 
A

Anna

rc said:
Anna,

In response to your intitial post...you are correct on all accounts. I
should point out that my expression of the HDD being originally formatted
by myself is incorrect. I meant that the initial cloning (which I assumed
would include formatting) was seemingly ok. Only after the new 80GB HDD
would not boot did I run chkdsk and attempted to format the HDD in order
to wipe it clean and try again.


rc:
So where are you now?
The problem remains?
And you're indicating that you repeated the disk-cloning operation with your
Acronis program but always with the same results?
If so, have you tried using the Casper disk-cloning program (trial version)
that I mentioned in my last post?
Anna
 
R

rc

Anna,

No I haven't and only because the trial version indicated that it would not
support volume resizing. The additonal space is my original reason for the
clone. I may just opt for the full version. I'm still a little perplexed
about the formatting. Sorry for the delay as I was away for a few days.
 

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