Connecting SATA drive and IDE optical?

[HiC]

Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same cable
with an IDE optical drive or no?

 

[Paul]

Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same cable
with an IDE optical drive or no?

No.

PATA (ribbon cable) drives, go two to a cable. One is
master, one is slave.

SATA (thin cable) drives go one to a cable. There is no
master/slave jumper. The BIOS may refer to them as master
and slave in the BIOS screen showing the drives, but that
is purely a bookkeeping notion (i.e. "pretending" to be
like the older drives).

PATA and SATA use different electrical interfaces and
are not interchangable.

If your motherboard has four SATA connectors, then you
can connect four SATA drives.

If you have no SATA connectors, then tell us that first.
There are a few solutions, some better than others.
Knowing your motherboard brand and model number, will help
with suggesting a solution.

******
There is also an option, which is available with some
SATA chips, to handle more drives from one interface.
But support for that feature is not something that
would be commonly found in a motherboard, so there is
no need to know anything about it yet.

This is some silicon to support five drives from a
single SATA port. A box with this costs about $100.
But the motherboard port may not support the feature,
and may not know what to do when such a device is
plugged in. Presumably driver support is needed to
talk to devices like this. To boot from it, the BIOS
would have to know a thing or to. But some day, this
option will be marketed a bit more strongly. Right now,
this chip would be connected to a RAID controller,
something like a SIL3132.

"SATALink SATA II Port Multiplier"
http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=26&ptid=1

"SiI 3132"
http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=32

Paul

 

[DaveW]

No.

 

[HiC]

No.

Look, can you just get to the point and give me a straight answer without
all the embellishment?

;-)

 

[Ben Dover]

Look, can you just get to the point and give me a straight answer without
all the embellishment?

;-)

LOL! How else can you reply to a basically dumb question? I mean ...
combining an IDE and an SATA device in the same chain? Duhhhhhhh.....

 

[gooooaaallllll]

Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same cable
with an IDE optical drive or no?

http://www.cooldrives.com/native-sata-to-ide-adapter-with-jmicron-chip.html

 

[coolsti]

Never used a SATA drive, can it be attached master/slave on the same cable
with an IDE optical drive or no?

I also have never used a SATA drive before, although the motherboard on my
latest now 3 year old computer is SATA ready. I am about to build a new
computer, which I will equip with 1 SATA hard drive for starters, but I
will also want to install at least one of the IDE hard drives from the
older computer in the machine. The idea being, to use the older IDE drives
as long as they last as sort of a backup (yes, I know about RAID, etc.,
but I got the older drives, they are still good, so for now this is what I
will do), as the newer SATA drives with >200 GB is sufficient for our
storage needs.

So in view of my current state of hardware knowledge, I can perhaps better
understand what the original poster is trying to ask here. He probably has
as little knowledge of the mechanics of a SATA drive as I did about two
weeks ago.

I think from the replies so far it must be clear that the SATA drive is
attached with its own cables and does not share the same cabling as the
optical drives. What I would like to know (and maybe the o.p. as well) is
what needs to be done to set up a PC with, say, one SATA drive as the boot
drive, one or two IDE drives, one CD read/writer and one DVD reader?

What needs to be done to tell the BIOS to boot from the SATA (I think I
just need to specify this in the BIOS menu)?

How should the two IDE hard drives and the two optical drives be connected
on the two available cables - two hard drives together and two optical
drives together? or 1 hard drive and one optical on each. And in the later
case, does it make a difference which device is on the end? And what about
the jumper settings for the IDE hard drives - set as slave, as master, or
something else?

Thanks!

Steve, Denmark

 

[Rod Speed]

I also have never used a SATA drive before, although the motherboard
on my latest now 3 year old computer is SATA ready. I am about to
build a new computer, which I will equip with 1 SATA hard drive for
starters, but I will also want to install at least one of the IDE
hard drives from the older computer in the machine. The idea being,
to use the older IDE drives as long as they last as sort of a backup
(yes, I know about RAID, etc., but I got the older drives, they are
still good, so for now this is what I will do), as the newer SATA
drives with >200 GB is sufficient for our storage needs.

So in view of my current state of hardware knowledge, I can perhaps
better understand what the original poster is trying to ask here. He
probably has as little knowledge of the mechanics of a SATA drive as
I did about two weeks ago.

I think from the replies so far it must be clear that the SATA drive
is attached with its own cables and does not share the same cabling
as the optical drives. What I would like to know (and maybe the o.p.
as well) is what needs to be done to set up a PC with, say, one SATA
drive as the boot drive, one or two IDE drives, one CD read/writer
and one DVD reader?

What needs to be done to tell the BIOS to boot from the SATA
(I think I just need to specify this in the BIOS menu)?
Yep.

How should the two IDE hard drives and the two optical drives be
connected on the two available cables - two hard drives together and
two optical drives together? or 1 hard drive and one optical on each.

Its usually best to have the optical drives on one cable and the
hard drives on one cable, just because the cabling is more
practical that way with IDE hard drives and optical drives just
because the hard drives are in the 3.5" drive bay stack and the
optical drives are in the 5.25" drive bay stack and there isnt
that much distance between the drive connectors on IDE cables.

And in the later case, does it make a
difference which device is on the end?

Not when there are two drives on the cable. Its best
to have the single drive on the end if there is only one.

And what about the jumper settings for the IDE hard
drives - set as slave, as master, or something else?

New systems should work fine with cable select and master/slave.
Cable select has the advantage that the drive jumpers dont ever
need changing but master/slave works fine too, just make sure
that one is jumpered master and the other slave on one ribbon cable.

 

[HiC]

LOL! How else can you reply to a basically dumb question? I mean ...
combining an IDE and an SATA device in the same chain? Duhhhhhhh.....

Well, I can think of a couple of ways one could potentially reply to such a
question. You could take the attitude of the stereoptypically smug, smarmy,
"I'm so ****ing brilliant I was born knowing everything why weren't you?"
geek.

Or like several have done here, you can offer an answer without editorial
comment, realizing that you in fact *weren't* born knowing it all and only
twerps with self-esteem issues pretend otherwise.

Oh well, now wouldja lookee there, someone from the latter category posted a
link to a piece that does in fact let you use a SATA drive on an IDE cable.
Gee, did you know about this? I mean, having been born knowing all that was,
is and shall be, I guess you just forgot, huh.

 

[John Doe]

Well, I can think of a couple of ways one could potentially reply
to such a question. You could take the attitude of the
stereoptypically smug, smarmy, "I'm so ****ing brilliant I was
born knowing everything why weren't you?" geek.

You asked a simple question and you got a simple answer.

Or like several have done here, you can offer an answer without
editorial comment,

Welcome to USENET.

realizing that you in fact *weren't* born knowing it all and only
twerps with self-esteem issues pretend otherwise.
Oh well, now wouldja lookee there, someone from the latter
category posted a link to a piece that does in fact let you use a
SATA drive on an IDE cable.

So we can expect you to go for it and let us know how it turns out?

Gee, did you know about this? I mean, having been born knowing all
that was, is and shall be, I guess you just forgot, huh.

Sound like a troll to me.

 

[HiC]

"HiC" <brassplyer xyahoo.com> wrote:

You asked a simple question and you got a simple answer.

I wasn't referring to Dave W's answer, my reply to his post was meant as
tongue-in-cheek. Don't have a problem with simple answers, I have a problem
with pointlessly asswipian answers such as those by Ben D.

 

[John Doe]

I wasn't referring to Dave W's answer, my reply to his post was
meant as tongue-in-cheek. Don't have a problem with simple
answers, I have a problem with pointlessly asswipian answers such
as those by Ben D.

Since your talk about the IDE-SATA converter was not
tongue-in-cheek, can we expect you to buy one and let us know how it
works for you?

 

[HiC]

Since your talk about the IDE-SATA converter was not
tongue-in-cheek, can we expect you to buy one and let us know how it
works for you?

It was pointed out as an example of a hole in the knowledge of someone who
came stumbling in making noise about lack of knowledge. Whether I get one or
not isn't the point. Try to follow along. Should I type slower for you?

My participation in this side nonsense is now concluded.

 

[John Doe]

It was pointed out as an example

It was not an example of what you were asking for.

of a hole in the knowledge of someone who came stumbling in making
noise about lack of knowledge.

If you have to ask whether you can put IDE and SATA drives on the
same cable, maybe you should leave the computer case closed and ask
for help. But I guess your attitude/pride prevents you from having a
techie friend.

Whether I get one or not isn't the point. Try to follow along.
Should I type slower for you?

Why not speak and let your computer do the typing?

 

[Ben Dover]

It was pointed out as an example of a hole in the knowledge of someone
who came stumbling in making noise about lack of knowledge. Whether I
get one or not isn't the point. Try to follow along. Should I type
slower for you?

My participation in this side nonsense is now concluded.

So glib. There is NO way to use an IDE drive and SATA drive on the same
cable within a PC. None. You think it's possible = prove it. These
"converters" people are talking about do NOT allow both on one chain.

 

[brassplyer]

So glib. There is NO way to use an IDE drive and SATA drive on the same
cable within a PC.

True or not, my original point still stands. There's nothing to be
gained by responding like a miserable little ****wit when someone asks
a simple question.

Having worked around problem kids with ego/self-esteem issues, who as
it turns out, are often computer nerds, I find they're likely to jump
in with unprovoked, antagonistic "man you're stupid" responses to
things. Not surprisingly, they're also prone to getting their asses
kicked.

So you're what, 15 or so? Or just stuck there permanently?

Consider yourself plonked.

 

[John Weiss]

I think from the replies so far it must be clear that the SATA drive is
attached with its own cables and does not share the same cabling as the
optical drives. What I would like to know (and maybe the o.p. as well) is
what needs to be done to set up a PC with, say, one SATA drive as the boot
drive, one or two IDE drives, one CD read/writer and one DVD reader?

Set up the proper boot priority according to your MoBo and BIOS docs.

Install SATA RAID drivers if required by your SATA RAID BIOS.

Disconnect any other bootable HDs while installing the OS to your bootable SATA
HD. Reconnect them later, and delete any "active" partitions when data has ben
backed up and/or transferred.

What needs to be done to tell the BIOS to boot from the SATA (I think I
just need to specify this in the BIOS menu)?

In most cases, yes.

How should the two IDE hard drives and the two optical drives be connected
on the two available cables - two hard drives together and two optical
drives together? or 1 hard drive and one optical on each. And in the later
case, does it make a difference which device is on the end? And what about
the jumper settings for the IDE hard drives - set as slave, as master, or
something else?

You have to have a Master and a Slave for each channel if you have 2 devices
connected. The most-used and/or lowest drive letter is generally designated as
Master.

I'd put an HD as Master and a CD as Slave on each channel. Others may have
different opinions.