Computer won't turn on

[brady.sondreal]

I bought the power supply based on reviews on newegg. It had an
average rating of 4 stars. I banked on other people's positive
experience with the power supply. I could have spent more and got the
top of the line power-supply, but I chose not to.

Sure, I though that my power supply damaged my motherboard based on
speculation. My power supply burned up that day and a brand new power
supply didn't resolve the problem, so I speculated the motherboard was
shot and it was.

The insults did not start with me, Tom. You called me ignorant based
on the fact that I don't completely understand 100% of the
specifications of a power supply. I posted in google groups because i
don't know everything there is to know about failing components in a
PC. Every response I got was very helpful, other than those i received
from you.

Because I don't feel bad about insulting you after you attempted to
insult me, I have a few more insults to throw your way based on pure
speculation. I'm guessing you work in a computer repair shop. You
probably work weekends and close the store every night. At most, you
are making $7.00 hour. You met your girlfriend New Years Eve when you
visited the Wendy's she was working the late shift at. The worst day
of your life was when the "Ellen show" got canceled. You own 2
albums by Striper.

Please, Tom, correct me again if anything I've said isn't accurate.

 

[w_tom]

Not knowing basic electrical concepts is called ignorant, naive, or
uniformed. That is not an insult. It is a fact that describes many
computer assemblers and why many defective supplies are sold.
Apparently this paragraph - nothing but facts - created your emotional
response:

It is possible that power supply took out motherboard due
to a computer assembler without basic electrical knowledge.
Manufacturers are dumping inferior supplies at even higher
profits into a market of naive computer assemblers. These
supplies do not have functions that, for example, would
make motherboard damage impossible. IOW motherboard
damage would be directly traceable to human ignornace.

That fact remains. Without basic knowledge, then many buy power
supplies from companies such as Newegg that are missing essential
functions. And many ignorant computer assembers buy and recommend
those supplies only because they worked for the first year.

Meanwhile, what might have happened. Newegg power supply was so bad
as to fail in one year. And then Newegg power supply was defective
again - it took out a motherboard. If that is what happened, then
Newegg power supply was defective twice over.

I don't know what Newegg uses for 'stars'. But a power supply that
does not provide a long list of numerical specs is typically hiding
something. 'Stars' may only recommend what Newegg wants to sell.
Buying only on 'stars', just like buying on price, is what the ignorant
do. Not an insult; a fact. A decision made ignorantly. Again, just a
fact.

Sorry that you took an emotional response to reality. Apparently
someone else was not the 'computer assembler'. Who was a computer
assembler does not change reality. Provided were examples of what
responsible power supply manufacturers provide when not hiding
something. Also provided was how to identify the problem in but two
minutes without shotgunning. For example, no reason to replace a good
battery. Multimeter said it was OK. Was motherboard the problem?
Readings on purple, green, and gray wires would have reported that
immediately.

Since you have speculated that a power supply took out a motherboard,
well, did that same problem also destroy disk? It is called
overstress. Since your conclusions were obtained from shotgunning,
then we don't know if disk drive was overstressed; may fail later.
Just another reason why we don't shotgun to fix things; why we don't
disconnect to therefore identify a failure faster.

What you have posted is factual. But you forgot to include that you
took an emotional response to a technically factual post. In those
posts are facts that lurkers should learn such as how to identify a
minimally acceptable power supply, how to find reason for failure
quickly, why power supplies do not damage motherboards, why
motherboards do not damage power supplies, and why shotgunning takes
longer as a less reliable debug procedure. From your actions, nothing
indicates first power supply was defective other than a smell. Also
possible based upon what you have posted: a good power supply was
swapped out because only its motherboard failed. Therefore more time
and money was wasted replacing a good battery and good power supply.
Again, not an insult; just logical conclusions based upon still unknown
facts. Unknown facts because shotgunning was used.

What I provided was not helpful because you ignored everything.
Instead you shotgunned and then took insult. Therefore only time can
tell if other components - ie disk drives - are at risk.

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...

The insults did not start with me, Tom. You called me ignorant
based on the fact that I don't completely understand 100% of the
specifications of a power supply. I posted in google groups
because i don't know everything there is to know about failing
components in a PC. Every response I got was very helpful, other
than those i received from you.

Are you denying being ignorant about the qualifications of a good
power supply? Are you claiming to infallible knowledge about
everything? Just the fact that you are using googles flawed
interface to Usenet and failing to quote adequate context seems to
indicate ignorance. Do you prefer to maintain that state of
innocence/ignorance indefinitely? Or do you have any wish to
improve yourself and/or your knowledge?

 

[brady.sondreal]

CBFalconer,

I don't deny being ignorant about the qualifications of a good power
supply. I came to this group looking for assistance which I was given
in every post other than w_toms. Tom says "It is possible that power
supply took out motherboard due to a computer assembler without basic
electrical knowledge. Tom also said "IOW motherboard damage would be
directly traceable to human ignornace." These attempts to insult me
didn't help resolve my problem.

You ask "Are you claiming to infallible knowledge abouteverything?"
Apparently you didn't read the whole post. I said "I posted in
Google groups because I don't know everything there is to know about
failing components in a PC." This statement alone proves that I don't
claim to have "infallible knowledge abouteverything. Jacob Maker has
Down syndrome.

 

[kony]

CBFalconer,

I don't deny being ignorant about the qualifications of a good power
supply. I came to this group looking for assistance which I was given
in every post other than w_toms. Tom says "It is possible that power
supply took out motherboard due to a computer assembler without basic
electrical knowledge. Tom also said "IOW motherboard damage would be
directly traceable to human ignornace." These attempts to insult me
didn't help resolve my problem.

You ask "Are you claiming to infallible knowledge abouteverything?"
Apparently you didn't read the whole post. I said "I posted in
Google groups because I don't know everything there is to know about
failing components in a PC." This statement alone proves that I don't
claim to have "infallible knowledge abouteverything. Jacob Maker has
Down syndrome.

Sometimes help comes in different forms. Today it was a
failed board, but a long term insight into PSU selection and
possible repercussions is helpful, too.

You should not be insulted by the term "ignorant", everyone
is ignorant of quite a few things... but not the SAME
things, hopefully.

 

[brady.sondreal]

CBFalconer,

I am ignorant about the qualifications of a good power supply. I came
to this group looking for assistance which I was given
in every post other than w_toms. Tom says "It is possible that power
supply took out motherboard due to a computer assembler without basic
electrical knowledge. Tom also said "IOW motherboard damage would be
directly traceable to human ignornace." These attempts to insult me
didn't help resolve my problem.


You ask "Are you claiming to infallible knowledge abouteverything?"
Apparently you didn't read the whole post. I said "I posted in
Google groups because I don't know everything there is to know about
failing components in a PC." This statement alone proves that I don't
claim to have "infallible knowledge abouteverything.