Come on, Mease. Honestly.

[trevor]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

I make two defenses. To whit:

1. Mease is a defender of quality and he backs up his assertions with
verifiable and reproduceable findings. If you don't like his opinions, you
are free to do your own research.

2. Mease is a kick. In other words, and I don't mean to make anybody feel
bad, but Mease is just more fun than most folks. It's fun to post and see
how Mease tears us a new one. At the very least, Mease insures that I won't
be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

NOW TO MEASEKITE:

Brother, I want you to do the "Measekite Challenge". Let us "aftermarket
sellers" see if we make your grade in public, right in front of everybody.
Let us send you free ink and you can rip us to shreds.

I've put this idea forward, and a few responders were like "how do you know
Measekite will give an honest opinion?"

And I'm like "I think I see an industry advocate here, let's listen". And I
think the implication

For if Measekite shoots down our ink, we can dispute or improve.

In other words, I'm not sure I see a down side.

NOW ALL YOU OTHER INK OUTFITS, TAKE NOTE.

If I can somehow induce Measekite into reviewing our products, we all get to
hear the "unvarnished truth" from someone we (and everybody else) knows
MEASEKITE'S OPINION CANNOT BE BOUGHT. If we fail the Measekite Challenge,
maybe you will pass. And then the truth will be known.

As far as we can tell, Measekite calls 'em like he sees 'em. That's our kind
of referee.

The people I work with seem to be every bit as enthused about ink as
Measekite, so my money is on the fanatics. In other words, I won't believe
our product doesn't meet with Measekite Specifications or exceed them until
I hear it from Measekite himself.

In other, other words, I'm ready to send free ink to Measekite just for the
analysis. Mease, come on bro. Want some free ink? Please? Purty-please?
Please review our ink and/or toner?

-Trevor posting on behalf of thINK4inc.com. Come visit!

 

[measekite]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

I make two defenses. To whit:

1. Mease is a defender of quality and he backs up his assertions with
verifiable and reproduceable findings. If you don't like his opinions, you
are free to do your own research.

2. Mease is a kick. In other words, and I don't mean to make anybody feel
bad, but Mease is just more fun than most folks. It's fun to post and see
how Mease tears us a new one. At the very least, Mease insures that I won't
be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

NOW TO MEASEKITE:

Brother, I want you to do the "Measekite Challenge". Let us "aftermarket
sellers" see if we make your grade in public, right in front of everybody.
Let us send you free ink and you can rip us to shreds.

Here is how you should go about the Measekite Challenge


1. On your website disclose who the mfg/formulator of your ink is

2. Disclose that on the label on the prefilled cart

3. Disclose that on the box

4. Advertise that so people can track your product

5. Develop an industry association and have all play by the rules.

I've put this idea forward, and a few responders were like "how do you know
Measekite will give an honest opinion?"

And I'm like "I think I see an industry advocate here, let's listen". And I
think the implication

For if Measekite shoots down our ink, we can dispute or improve.

In other words, I'm not sure I see a down side.

NOW ALL YOU OTHER INK OUTFITS, TAKE NOTE.

Certainly they are reading every word.

 

[Bob Headrick]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the
troll".

I make two defenses. To whit: [snip]
At the very least, Mease insures that I won't
be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

Indefensible. *PLONK*

 

[Redneck Jim]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the
troll".

I make two defenses. To whit: [snip]
At the very least, Mease insures that I won't
be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

I think you two deserve each other - ** PLONK **

 

[Mike]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

Exactly.
Do you really care what one person thinks?!.
The fact the rest of us have him killfiled makes your post even more
pointless.
Im sure you could have found better things to do with your time than write
this post. If you really have nothing better to do
email him directly to discuss this nonsense.

 

[Paul Heslop]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

I make two defenses. To whit:

1. Mease is a defender of quality and he backs up his assertions with
verifiable and reproduceable findings. If you don't like his opinions, you
are free to do your own research.

2. Mease is a kick. In other words, and I don't mean to make anybody feel
bad, but Mease is just more fun than most folks. It's fun to post and see
how Mease tears us a new one.

Nope, he stopped being funny because it's like a stuck record. Stuck
records get binned.

 

[milou]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

<drivel snipped>

plonk.

 

[Hendo]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

I make two defenses. To whit:


-Trevor posting on behalf of thINK4inc.com. Come visit!

I know where my money will not be spent...."PLONK"

 

[Paul Heslop]

I know where my money will not be spent...."PLONK"

Jees, I was so bored by the end of the first bit I didn't realise it
was blatant spam.

 

[TJ]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

<snip>
Gee, that worked well. Your approach is novel, but unappreciated here by
most. You were refreshing at first, but this thread isn't helping you
any. And you are inching your way into advertising more and more, which
also isn't appreciated here.

TJ

 

[John Eppley]

We are missing the main point.....

We are assuming that any printer manufacturer is entitled to force the user
of their product to use their ink........only. This is a ridiculous premise.
There is no practical reason to be forced into using an OEM staple whether
it be in our automobile, our home computer or a printer.

Under the our free enterprise system in the USA, the printer manufacturers
have the right to market and sell any product we WISH to buy. The type of
paper and recommended ink type should be specified by the printer maker to
allow us choices of suppliers. Then, "let the best supplier win". This IS
the free enterprise system. A poor ink maker will be out of business very
quickly. Ditto for a poor printer manufacturer.

(it worked for typewriters)

Don't worry about the printer makers "going out of business" because of
lowered income. The free enterprise system will always sprout a new builder,
or designer to harvest our money. We are damn good at creating
opportunities. We are held down in technology breakthroughs when we accept
the premise of "only we, the OEM can do good things for you".

John

 

[measekite]

trevor wrote:



I know where my money will not be spent...."PLONK"

Yeah, now you can buy Canon, HP, or Epson.

But there are so manny relabelers in disguise in this ng I do not think
Treaver is losing anything.

 

[measekite]

<snip>
Gee, that worked well. Your approach is novel, but unappreciated here
by most. You were refreshing at first, but this thread isn't helping
you any. And you are inching your way into advertising more and more,
which also isn't appreciated here.

TJ

Yeah, he is definately advertising but many in this ng are just doing
public relations.

 

[measekite]

We are missing the main point.....

We are assuming that any printer manufacturer is entitled to force the user
of their product to use their ink........only. This is a ridiculous premise.
There is no practical reason to be forced into using an OEM staple whether
it be in our automobile, our home computer or a printer.

That is correct. You do not have to buy their printer. I think you
should look for an aftermarket printer that is shipped with not ink or
carts. You can then buy all of the generic ink and carts from
anywhere. The printer should also not have any warranty either.

Under the our free enterprise system in the USA, the printer manufacturers
have the right to market and sell any product we WISH to buy. The type of
paper and recommended ink type should be specified by the printer maker to
allow us choices of suppliers. Then, "let the best supplier win". This IS
the free enterprise system. A poor ink maker will be out of business very
quickly.

That is not true. There are so many misinformed users and other users
who do not want to be informed. They stated here they do not want to
know the mfg/formulator of what they buy.

Ditto for a poor printer manufacturer.

Lexmark still sells inkjets.

 

[zakezuke]

That is not true. There are so many misinformed users and other users
who do not want to be informed. They stated here they do not want to
know the mfg/formulator of what they buy.

When you take it upon your self to *inform* people something they
expressly told you they don't want to hear, this is harassment.

Besides, most people don't care who the mfg/formulator is, so long as
the product works that's good enough. That's the way it is with OEM,
you have NO clue what they put in there above and beyond what's on the
box and MSDS. At least buying bulk ink I can choose Image-Specalists
or Formulabs.

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

Mease insures that I won't
be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

You two will get along just fine in my kill file. You can look
google-eyed at each other all day long. "PLONK"

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the
troll".

I make two defenses. To whit:
[snip]

At the very least, Mease insures that I won't
be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

I think you two deserve each other - ** PLONK **

This thread is getting so plonkidellic. Lighten up, everyone.

Richard

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

You two will get along just fine in my kill file. You can look
google-eyed at each other all day long. "PLONK"

Why did you put quotes around "plonk?" Were you quoting someone?

Richard

 

[trevor]

trevor wrote: (snippage)

Here is how you should go about the Measekite Challenge


1. On your website disclose who the mfg/formulator of your ink is

That's the question that caught me by surprise. Sourcing is one of the arts
of the industry. You find a good supplier, you cut the best deal you can
with them and you hope the competition isn't doing as well. You absolutely
try to keep these deals a secret and you absolutely do everything you can
to nail down whatever "exclusive arrangement" you can with this supplier.
Guess why? To try to secure your position against competitors. See, that's
where the real competition is in this business-the supply side. It's hard
to charge more for the product, so your best way to increase margins are to
source for less. The fact is, until I'm told, I have no idea who and where
the various suppliers are. Sourcing is not my job.

So figuring it does no harm to ask, I went to the boss. "Where does our ink
come from?" He's like "all over the world, why?" And I'm like "some people
on usenet want to know" and he's like "why?" and I'm like "I dunno, because
they are curious?"

Well, I'm told that I'll be provided with as much information as "possible"
about our sources. I'm not sure how complete this information will be, but
I'm interested to see what the answer is too. Until that comes, understand
that we do in fact sell lots of OEM products. We generally try to have an
OEM option as well as an aftermarket/reman option for the consumer.

2. Disclose that on the label on the prefilled cart

Does anyone else do that?

3. Disclose that on the box

Again, does anyone else do that? And what percentage of the population do
you think would actually know or care about it?

4. Advertise that so people can track your product

What do you mean "track" the product? Do you mean some kind of rating system
or historical performance data?

5. Develop an industry association and have all play by the rules.

Hmmmm. Maybe there is such an organization already. I'll ask the big shots.
What would your "quick list" of rules be? 1-5 above?

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

Why did you put quotes around "plonk?" Were you quoting someone?

For emphasis. I could have used *PLONK*, PLONK, ~PLONK~, <PLONK> etc.
Are you trying to be funny?