Cleaning up XP

[W****n S***********g]

Do you live in Hong Kong? They have that same problem there.

Yea, did you get all that info?

Now, it seem as though a reinstall is the best bet after all??

ROFL

 

[catchme]

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
[Crosspost much?]
**** off top-poaster.

Relic, you sound like an idiot!!
Grow up.

I'm sure relic meant to say "**** off, ****ing top-poaster," but because he
omitted "****ing" doesn't make him an idiot. Your grammar laming makes YOU
the idiot.

lol....i guess it just keeps getting better.
'k, i'm going to stay out of the sandbox until this fight ends.

 

[catchme]

Oh no ! That "Disk Cleanup" thing is telling me that it's "compressing
old files" !

Why is it compressing old files when I didn't tell it too? OMG !
OMG !!!

ummm.....think of it as 'shrink-wrap', in that it is shrinking the
physical space on the hard drive that the files are taking, in order to
free up additional space and allow for faster seek times for files used
more often.

 

[Kaja]

Okay, I can help you but this is going to be a long post, so be patient with
me I am now going for free to teach you how to maintain Windows XP and speed
up your systems. There are many programs that claim to do this by fixing the
registry too many to name. Do not buy any of them. Windows has built in
maintenance tools.
Open up Internet Explorer 7 and go to tools, delete browsing history, delete
all, check the box that comes up and delete those. Close IE. Now go to this
website www.cccleaner.com. This is a fantastic safe cleaning program. b
Download and install CC Cleaner. you will see two tabs "Windows aand
Applications" You should be on the Windows tab and click analyze. This will
show you how much junk it is going to clean off your computer. It should be
a lot. Do this once a weekThen hit run cleaner. Next go to start, all
programs, accessories, system tools, disc cleanup and click on that. Select
your C drive to clean up and hit OK. It will take a few minutes and then a
box will pop up. In the box put a check next to everything that has a number
with it and hit ok to clean. Do this once a week. Now go to start, all
programs, accessories, system tools, disk defragmenter and hit analyze. The
disk defragmenter will analyze and tell you if it needs defraging or not. If
it does defrag it. It will probaly take 2 hours but it's worth it. Check
this once a month. Next go to start run and type "prefetch" and press enter.
You will see a folder po open in the top select edit, select all, and then
hit delete, Confirm delete to recycle bin and then empty the recycle bin.
Next go to start, control panel, add/remove programs and on the list unistall
any programs you do not use or no longer need.
Now as a final step open up CC Cleaner and on the left hand panel where it
says registry in blue click that. Click scan for issues. and click no to not
back up. This a safe way to fix the registry unlike programs you buy.
Anyway then hit fix all selected issues and close.

Now just to be thorough run a full virus scan . I reccommend Avast anti
Virus free edition. They are the best. Do not use Norton or MCaffee they
are worthless. Also scan for mallware/spyware as well as they can
considerably slow computer performance down. A good anti spyware program is
spyware terminator at www.spywareterminator.com

I am confident this process of maintaince will help you. Please give me
your feedback so I can improve my services.
Kaja Technical Support

 

[Twayne]

NOt that long a post, but rather paragraphless and a little too
judgemental.

Okay, I can help you but this is going to be a long post, so be
patient with me I am now going for free to teach you how to maintain
Windows XP and speed up your systems. There are many programs that
claim to do this by fixing the registry too many to name. Do not buy
any of them.

The proper context here would be that the registry is very likely not
the main culprit and purchasing same at this time may not be productive.
Mostof these problems are not related to the registry and won't help
much, if at all.
Unlike some of the closed minded idiot MVPs here, registry cleaners
can be valuable tools to have around. I use mine every two weeks at the
moment; doing lots of installs/uninstalls evaluating things for a
client.

... Windows has built in maintenance tools.

But nothing to cleam up a bloated, ultra-huge registry if in the end
that might be needed. If so, I hope you're perpared to stick around and
assist with each and every registry change that needs to be sought
out/hacked.

Open up Internet Explorer 7 and go to tools, delete browsing history,
delete all, check the box that comes up and delete those. Close IE.
Now go to this website www.cccleaner.com.

Ccleaner (formerly Crap Cleaner) is a decent program. It not only
cleans up the registry but also takes care of many of the things you
tell him to run manually.

This is a fantastic safe

cleaning program. b Download and install CC Cleaner. you will see
two tabs "Windows aand Applications" You should be on the Windows
tab and click analyze. This will show you how much junk it is going
to clean off your computer. It should be a lot. Do this once a
weekThen hit run cleaner. Next go to start, all programs,
accessories, system tools, disc cleanup and click on that. Select
your C drive to clean up and hit OK. It will take a few minutes and
then a box will pop up. In the box put a check next to everything
that has a number with it and hit ok to clean.

What about compressing old files? There's a long waste of time for
trying to fix slowdowns. It's only useful when you're running low on
space, really.
You do realize too, that you're asking him to repeat several things
that ccleaner has already done, right?

Do this once a week.

You don't have to bother with that if you're running ccleaner. It's
really an OR situation.

Now go to start, all programs, accessories, system tools, disk
defragmenter and hit analyze. The disk defragmenter will analyze and
tell you if it needs defraging or not. If it does defrag it. It
will probaly take 2 hours but it's worth it. Check this once a
month. Next go to start run and type "prefetch" and press enter. You
will see a folder po open in the top select edit, select all, and
then hit delete,

The prefetch folder is periodically purged of some files and replaces
them with others. Deleting all those files only results in a slower
acquisition time for most programs until the prefecth folder can be
rebuilt again. This is a waste of time and actually adds to system
slowdowns when the folder it empty. Please do some further research on
this subject before recommending it to newbies/those needing assistance.

Confirm delete to recycle bin and then empty the

recycle bin.

The Recycle Bin, for safety sake, shouldn't be emptied for a few days,
just to be certain that something wasn't deleted that shouldn't have
been. Then later after everything has been exercised and known to
function fine, empty it.

Next go to start, control panel, add/remove programs and

on the list unistall any programs you do not use or no longer need.
Now as a final step open up CC Cleaner and on the left hand panel
where it says registry in blue click that. Click scan for issues.
and click no to not back up. This a safe way to fix the registry
unlike programs you buy. Anyway then hit fix all selected issues and
close.

Do NOT back up the changes? That is a terrible piece of advice! There
ARE programs whose signatures can fool analyzers becuse some files, etc.
are built "on the fly", and even ccleaner is apt to remove them, finding
no use for them in the registry! ALWAYS ALLOW ANY PROGRAM THAT WORKS ON
THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYTEM TO BACK UP IT WORK, just in case. In fact,
this whole thing should have started with a recommendation to create a
Restore Point, back up the System State, and then back up all his DATA
before getting started. If anything goes wrong, and it will on you
eventually, you left yourself wide open to not having provided that
necessary caveats. Always do backups whenever you mess with antyhing to
do with the operating system.

Now just to be thorough run a full virus scan . I reccommend Avast
anti Virus free edition. They are the best. Do not use Norton or
MCaffee they are worthless.

Norton and McAfee are far from worthless, are leading-edge on the
detection fronts, proactively search out problems, and run perfectly
well on machines they are intended for and which are not already messed
up with malware, corruption and improper setups. While they are too
expensive and even I have switched from them, your comment is not
correct, nor it is factual.

Also scan for mallware/spyware as well

as they can considerably slow computer performance down. A good anti
spyware program is spyware terminator at www.spywareterminator.com

AT least 3 spyware detectors should be thrown at a machine with
problems. No single one is turnkey and catches everything. Some of the
old standbys are Adaware, Spybot S&D, SpywareGuard, Windows Malicious
Malware Removal Tool (specialized), Windows defender (not so great
though) and a host of other ones that are equally as good and all as
free as the AV programs from their several sources too.

I am confident this process of maintaince will help you. Please give
me your feedback so I can improve my services.
Kaja Technical Support

There is an important question to ask with machines like that. How long
will it take to fix, and how long is the user willing to put in on the
problems? 2 days? 4 days? A week? A computer can be easily backed up
on 1 day wihtout forgetting even a single e-mail address or web site. A
day to do a clean reinstall of the OS. Another 2 days to reinstall all
the applications and programs, and then restoring all the user-created
data. That's 4 weekdays. Or 2 days or less if done on a weekend when
not working. 8 Hours for some people is plenty for many first-timers to
a rebuild. Or will you be sending him off to spend money if it comes to
a rebuild?

So, which way does the user wish to go? I have a feeling you're
going to at least end up going for a repair install, if not soon after a
clean install, from the quality of your advice.

Please, get more experience under your belt before you go out on
missions like this. You can easily end up over your head and may learn
that shortly.

Twayne

First, you need to back up your data; files you have created that you
want to keep. Photos, emails, favorites, etc.. NTBackup, which comes
with XP will work well for that if you don't have anything else. Also
be sure you have your CDs and key codes in case you have to use them for
XP or Office or whatever other programs you may have that need them.

Basically, you could run ccleaner as mentioned above to start with.
Then be sure to use updated antivirus software and say 3 different
spyware programs to look for malware.
Then defrag the disk.
Report back whether those made any differences and if not, someone will
help you go further with the problem.

If you're in a hurry and want a few-day solution that's more certain to
work than anythign else, ask back about doing a repair install or a
clean install.

But most importantly, get your data backed up to CD, DVD or whatever it
takes so it will be safe from harm. Then dig into the problems.

Lots of people here would be happy to assist you if you ask the specific
questions you need.

HTH

Twayne

 

[N. Miller]

Unlike some of the closed minded idiot MVPs here, registry cleaners
can be valuable tools to have around.

Maybe; but I've never been able to solve a problem by using one, nor have I
ever sped up any computer. I stopped trying to use registry cleaners with
Windows Me, which is, arguably, more amenable to fixing by using them. I
found myself spending more time cleaning the Windows Me registry than I
gained after the cleaning.

Keeping that computer's HDD defragged was a more profitable use of my time.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Now go to this
website www.cccleaner.com. This is a fantastic safe cleaning program. b
Download and install CC Cleaner.

CCleaner is a good program, and I also recommend it (with one very big
reservation--see below), but I think your praise for it is overdone. I
certainly wouldn't call it "fantastic," and everything useful it does
can be easily done without it. It's value is that it makes some easy
things a little easier.

Now as a final step open up CC Cleaner and on the left hand panel where it
says registry in blue click that. Click scan for issues. and click no to not
back up. This a safe way to fix the registry unlike programs you buy.

And that's the one aspect of using CCleaner that I strongly recommend
*against*. Although CCleaner is probably safer than most Registry
Cleaners, they are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't
needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any
registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of
registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

Now just to be thorough run a full virus scan . I reccommend Avast anti
Virus free edition. They are the best.

Avast is a good program--one of the best free ones, and I too
recommend it to those who don't want to spend money on an anti-virus
program. But calling it "the best" is an overstatement. Good as it is,
the commercial program NOD32 is even better.

Do not use Norton or MCaffee they
are worthless.

Again, an overstatement. In my view Norton is the worst anti-virus
program on the market and McAfee is second worst, but neither is
worthless. It would be much better to use either one than no
anti-virus program.

Also scan for mallware/spyware as well as they can
considerably slow computer performance down.

"The term "malware" (note the correct spelling) is short for
"malicious software." It's not synonymous with spyware, but includes
all kinds of software that do bad things. Since a virus does bad
things, it's a form of malware, so contrasting viruses and malware
doesn't make any sense.

Spyware can certainly slow a system down, but that's only one of the
bad things it can do. The dangers of having it are much worse than
that.

A good anti spyware program is
spyware terminator at www.spywareterminator.com

I have no experience with spyware terminator, so I won't comment on
it, other than to say it's not generally recognized to one of the
best. The best such program these days is MalwareBytes.

Moreover, no anti-spyware program is perfect and therefore is not good
enough by itself. Good protection requires that you run at least two.
I recommend running two or more (but not at the same time) from the
following list:

MalwareBytes
SuperAntiSpyware
Spybot Search & Destroy
Spyware Blaster
Adaware
Windows Defender.

 

[Twayne]

Maybe; but I've never been able to solve a problem by using one, nor
have I ever sped up any computer. I stopped trying to use registry
cleaners with Windows Me, which is, arguably, more amenable to fixing
by using them. I found myself spending more time cleaning the Windows
Me registry than I gained after the cleaning.

Keeping that computer's HDD defragged was a more profitable use of my
time.

No arguement there; speeding up anything is usually a by product, not a
goal of registry work 99.9% of the time. Same goes for defragging the
registry; normally if there are any changes they are in the order of
single-digit seconds anyway unless you come up against one or more of
the 20 Second timeouts, which isn't very often.

Twayne

 

[Twayne]

Ken Blake, supposed MPV said:

CCleaner is a good program, and I also recommend it (with one very big
reservation--see below), but I think your praise for it is overdone. I
certainly wouldn't call it "fantastic," and everything useful it does
can be easily done without it. It's value is that it makes some easy
things a little easier.

Its value is that it brings together in one place a set of tasks that
are normally separate and more trouble to execute. "Easy" is irrelevant
to this context.

And that's the one aspect of using CCleaner that I strongly recommend
*against*. Although CCleaner is probably safer than most Registry
Cleaners, they are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't
needed and is dangerous.

And there's that ignorant, closed mind again. Whatever "snake oil"
means to you, it is wrong and misinformation. There can be a need for
it, and it is not inherently dangerous.

Leave the registry alone and don't use any

registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of
registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

There you go again: citing one instance of a set when in fact there are
several. That's myopic and chosen for your boilerplate because it's
convenient and for no other reason or you would say so.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from an
ignorant, closed mind. If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't too,
would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly warn against..
Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is? Even if it were to
happen, which it will not, it would still far outweigh the many past
benefits of using such applications.
Also, again, you have boilerplated only one of a set (removing an
entry you might need) and called it catastrophic when any decent
registry cleaner has, and they all seem to, a Restore feature so if that
does happen, it can be put back. You look more like a weasel every time
you open your mouth here lately.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html





Avast is a good program--one of the best free ones, and I too
recommend it to those who don't want to spend money on an anti-virus
program. But calling it "the best" is an overstatement. Good as it is,
the commercial program NOD32 is even better.

lol, you too recommend it, eh? Your credibility is so shot no one
really cares other than a couple of your like-minded cohorts, none of
whom can give any verifiable evidence of the silly claims you all make.
You all talk in vagueries, pick up one of a set of parts, and try to
make that the entire point of everything. It's obvious and has been
since day one that not a one of you has anything to back up your
outlandish claims or you would have posted it here or on some other
group and would have referenced to it by now. But no one has; because
you can not do so.

Again, an overstatement. In my view Norton is the worst anti-virus
program on the market and McAfee is second worst, but neither is
worthless. It would be much better to use either one than no
anti-virus program.

Wrong again but in view of your opinions on cleaners, I can understand
why. You make it up as you go and want to follow the leader.

"The term "malware" (note the correct spelling) is short for
"malicious software." It's not synonymous with spyware, but includes
all kinds of software that do bad things. Since a virus does bad
things, it's a form of malware, so contrasting viruses and malware
doesn't make any sense.

And that is uncalled for. Being a semantic idiot though seems to be one
of your fortes, doesn't it? From this point on, don't make any spelling
mistakes.

Spyware can certainly slow a system down, but that's only one of the
bad things it can do. The dangers of having it are much worse than
that.

So? Who said otherwise?

I have no experience with spyware terminator, so I won't comment on
it, other than to say it's not generally recognized to one of the
best. The best such program these days is MalwareBytes.

Right; MalwareBytes: The one that can falsely identify rogue programs
such as setup.exe when in reality they are prefectly (and were proven to
be) legitimate? The one that doesn't look into a file but judges it to
be a rogue depending on the directory it resides in? That one?
Try it; put a legit, previously passed setup.exe somewhere it isn't
usually located: almost every time it'll be reported as rogue.
MalwareBytes, well, bites.

Moreover, no anti-spyware program is perfect and therefore is not good
enough by itself. Good protection requires that you run at least two.

The general concensus in most places of knowledgeable people is that
three or more are recommended. They each have their own strengths, check
for different things in different ways and there seems to as yet be no
turnkey app.

I recommend running two or more (but not at the same time) from the
following list: It's pretty much moot what YOU would recommend. Your
list is rather those of MOST who recommend apps, recommend these.
Quit taking credit for things that aren't your own decisions. All you
did was add MalwareBytes to a typical list found all over the 'net.

MalwareBytes <----------------- is suspect in design
SuperAntiSpyware <------------ seems decent
Spybot Search & Destroy <------- seems to work well
Spyware Blaster <------------- sort of OK
Adaware <--------------------- seems to work well
Windows Defender. <--------- typical MS BS that never finds anything,
but ... I'll still say it's sort of OK. Never found anything with it,
though. At least each of the others have found things at one time or
another, even if it was just a false rogue find.

Twayne

 

[Bill in Co.]

Ken Blake, supposed MPV said:

I have little doubt Ken is a MPV. Interesting that you (supposedly) do.

Its value is that it brings together in one place a set of tasks that
are normally separate and more trouble to execute. "Easy" is irrelevant
to this context.

And there's that ignorant, closed mind again.

Pot, kettle. And self-projection noted once again.

Whatever "snake oil"
means to you, it is wrong and misinformation. There can be a need for
it, and it is not inherently dangerous.


There you go again: citing one instance of a set when in fact there are
several.

Actually, there aren't ANY (as you have shown yourself, when called on it).
Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete, and documented
evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using these registry cleaners, you
have run and ducked out. (Gee now, I wonder why?). The difference between
us (and several others in here, I'm sure) is that I *have* used them in the
past over all the years, and with various operating systems, and I'm sure I
have a lot more experience in doing so, than you have, based on your inane
comments on this issue. I do *know* firsthand its potential for creating
problems, some of which often only show up later. You obviously don't know,
due to some lack of experience in this arena. Even Microsoft's supposedly
innoculous, Regclean program (which they removed a long time ago) created a
few problems on my system some time back. But you wouldn't know that.

That's myopic and chosen for your boilerplate because it's
convenient and for no other reason or you would say so.

Self-projection noted again. I'd respectfully suggest getting rid of your
own boilerplate. Remember that saying, "remove the log from one's own
eye"? (Or maybe that was before your time).

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from an
ignorant, closed mind.

Projection noted, once again.

If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't too,
would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly warn against..
Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is?

Because *you* haven't seen it? Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.

 

[Unknown]

Are you kidding? Twayne doesn't have the common sense to be an MVP.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I have little doubt Ken is a MPV. Interesting that you (supposedly) do.

Thanks, but Twayne is correct. Not only am I not an MPV, I don't even
know what an MPV is.

But I am an MVP, and have been one since October, 2003. ;-)

 

[Bob Lucas]

Thanks, but Twayne is correct. Not only am I not an MPV, I don't even
know what an MPV is.

But I am an MVP, and have been one since October, 2003. ;-)

Multi-purpose vehicle, perhaps?

 

[Unknown]

Most Promising Voodooist.

Thanks, but Twayne is correct. Not only am I not an MPV, I don't even
know what an MPV is.

But I am an MVP, and have been one since October, 2003. ;-)

 

[Twayne]

Bill supposedly of Co said:

Twayne wrote:
....

Pot, kettle. And self-projection noted once again.

No tweedlebrain, there's an educated, experienced open mind here who
when all this originally started, who asked for more information and
what the reasons were for same, received a range of responses from your
fav leaders such as no answer, "because I said it should be enough
reason" to several other equally as intelligent responses. The more
people asked and wanted to know, the more adamant the supposed gurus
became since they had nothing, nada, zero, zip on their side to show any
relevancy to their claims.
That was a couple years ago. Off and on I got sick of the
boilerplated ignorant and mis-leading information and now we're at the
point where tweedle-dums and you, with nothing behind you but the
cliches you parrot, picking your trollish targets and continuing to
spread the misinformation.

Actually, there aren't ANY (as you have shown yourself, when called
on it).

Actually, you are 100% wrong and again trying to use a micron-limited
focal length for your myopic observastions, watching carefully for any
words you can twist, any generalizations that, out of context, can
appear to be positive for your case, and other silly childish nonsense.


Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete,

and documented evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using these
registry cleaners, you have run and ducked out. (Gee now, I wonder
why?).

Again , 100% wrong but who would expect more from such an ignroant?

The difference between us (and several others in here, I'm

sure) is that I *have* used them in the past over all the years, and
with various operating systems, and I'm sure I have a lot more
experience in doing so, than you have, based on your inane comments
on this issue.

I very seriously doubt that. Why? Because you only now, when called,
choose to provide any such information. You've simply made a late
coming generalization of non-fact to accomodate your alleged situation.
No meat, nothing. You even intimate that on the old 98 systems they
were no good; you stepped on it big time there.

I do *know* firsthand its potential for creating

problems, some of which often only show up later. You obviously
don't know, due to some lack of experience in this arena. Even
Microsoft's supposedly innoculous, Regclean program (which they
removed a long time ago) created a few problems on my system some
time back. But you wouldn't know that.

lol, it HAS to be getting pretty short by now, to keep stepping on it!
I don't know how you manage that, but don't really care. Don't look
now, but MS if baaaccckkk with their little reg cleaner app! Since you
don't even know that much, I can only derive that you know nothing about
anything and are simply trolling for your own pleasure. You wish to
piss me off and it bothers you that you can't use misinformation to do
it. You are beginning to remind me of a schoolyard bully who can't find
anyone to bully because he's the tineist inthe yard (or locker-room)

You like that term, don't you? You should go back and read that page a
little further. It IS myopic, it IS boilerplate, it IS convenient, and
there IS no other reason for you to dasy to w/r to what you snipped so
no one could connect the two without looking back. You didnt even have
the intelligence to cover WHAT is myopic, etc.. Doesn't work, I'm
afraid.
Now, if we want to talk about projecting one's attitudes and problems
.... nah, that's too huge a subject.

Self-projection noted again. I'd respectfully suggest getting rid of
your own boilerplate. Remember that saying, "remove the log from
one's own eye"? (Or maybe that was before your time).

lol, well you're consistantly stupid, I'll admit that! What
boilerplate? Do you even know what boilerplate IS? And no, I don't
recall anything about logs and eyes - another attempt to redirect maybe?

Projection noted, once again.

Ignorance and stupidity noted, once again. My turn now: I recall and
old saw about "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach". Jeez,
let's hope you never actually teach!

Because *you* haven't seen it? Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.

Woo, talk about projection; now we know you have education problems,
too. I finished my education probably in excess of at least 3 years of
your, and likely 7 or more years. And why you use the lies about
respect, I'll never know.
You're right, I have NOT seen evidence of the claims of the inane,
closed minded and otherwise disabled minds here are touting. That's
because I have continuous, actual experience, research the issues and
applications I use, and bother to know what they are capable of and what
they are not capable of, before putting them into a production
situation.
Early on I doubted them, but gave them the benefit of the doubt and
asked for further information. When none were forthcoming I became even
more suspicious. It's not jus me either: Many people over time early on
asked for the same confirmation/verification so they too could
understant where the original authors were coming from. But you know
what? They obviously didn't have anything because they never parted
with anything of any sort to back up their contentions. I on the other
hand, have done so, early on especially, and with some detailed white
papers on the subject.
As time went on their claims became more and more injurious to people
who might believe them and they began to berate people who dared to
disagree with them. That's when I got involved and stepped up my own
research, re-read my old research, and having a curious mind, even dug
into the Innards of some of those programs I'd been useing so
successfully for so long, and even managed communications with the code
authors for further help. Not a single one ever lied to me, and one
mis-spoke due to English not being his native language. And shortly
after that I'd managed to become good enough to actually watch much of
what the programs were doing, and guess what? Everything was verified.
But that's pretty much irrelevant; it only satisfied my own natural
curiousity. The proof is, that most such applications do exactly what
they claim they will do, ARE useful, some moreso than others, and DO
provide valuable and useful results.
Buried in my archives, the other day looking for something else based
on a similar name, I found a reference to my own discussion on how a
registry cleaner had shortened a boot time by a full 60 seconds. Out of
a 4 minute boot, that was pretty substantial. And, it was attribued to
3 separate and specific program applications. As for records of these
things, every single one is archived as my system has been under monthly
full and nightly incremental backups for longer than you have probably
known what the registry was even for. Not that well planned, but still
available, some go all the way back to CP/M days. And yes, I CAN read
CP/M 10 hard sectored, double-sided, 90k/side 5 1/4" floppies.

But then you get people like you that are so myopic they can only see
one tree amongst a whole forest. You key in on one small point that
hopefully will propel you to a successful banishment of the entire
forest in other's eyes and prove your'e right. It seldom works. If you
can't see the whole picture, you may as well not look because you won't
see anythign resembling a true picture of any event or situation.

Thanks for this opportunity,

Twayne

 

[Twayne]

Are you kidding? Twayne doesn't have the common sense to be an MVP.

Ouch! That's sure a disparagement to even the real MVPs!

 

[Twayne]

I have little doubt Ken is a MPV. Interesting that you
(supposedly) do.

Thanks, but Twayne is correct. Not only am I not an MPV, I don't even
know what an MPV is.

But I am an MVP, and have been one since October, 2003. ;-)[/QUOTE]

Actually I don't doubt that you are likely an MVP; I've seen you in
enough different places and some of your work in others, that it's
likely the truth. However, since learning that the "list" can't be
depended on and discovering there are at least two posers here, it
happened to be on my mind.
If I do anything like that again, I'll not use it on you, even though
I could use the supposition on you for your violations of the MVP
actions rules. Also I'm not the kind to go running to committes et al
because someone violates rules when they've been prodded and need to
defend themselves in a public place.Not sure but I think I've said that
before and I stand by it.

Now if you only understood the situation this is all actually about
....

Twayne

 

[Bill in Co.]

Bill supposedly of Co said:


No tweedlebrain, there's an educated, experienced open mind here who

Ummm, not really. But the denial is noted.

when all this originally started, who asked for more information and
what the reasons were for same, received a range of responses from your
fav leaders such as no answer, "because I said it should be enough
reason" to several other equally as intelligent responses. The more
people asked and wanted to know, the more adamant the supposed gurus
became since they had nothing, nada, zero, zip on their side to show any
relevancy to their claims.
That was a couple years ago. Off and on I got sick of the
boilerplated ignorant and mis-leading information and now we're at the
point where tweedle-dums and you, with nothing behind you but the
cliches you parrot, picking your trollish targets and continuing to
spread the misinformation.


Actually, you are 100% wrong and again trying to use a micron-limited
focal length for your myopic observastions, watching carefully for any
words you can twist, any generalizations that, out of context, can
appear to be positive for your case, and other silly childish nonsense.

Again, no substance, just ad hominems. Gee, what a surprise.

Again , 100% wrong but who would expect more from such an ignroant?

Once again, no substance, just ad hominems as your last recourse.

I very seriously doubt that. Why? Because you only now, when called,
choose to provide any such information. You've simply made a late
coming generalization of non-fact to accomodate your alleged situation.
No meat, nothing. You even intimate that on the old 98 systems they
were no good; you stepped on it big time there.

Actually, I never intimated such a thing. Perhaps you do have a reading
comprehension problem, afterall.

lol, it HAS to be getting pretty short by now, to keep stepping on it!

It wouldn't happen if you watched your steps! But I can't help you there.

I don't know how you manage that, but don't really care. Don't look
now, but MS if baaaccckkk with their little reg cleaner app! Since you
don't even know that much, I can only derive that you know nothing about
anything and are simply trolling for your own pleasure. You wish to
piss me off and it bothers you that you can't use misinformation to do
it. You are beginning to remind me of a schoolyard bully who can't find
anyone to bully because he's the tineist inthe yard (or locker-room)


You like that term, don't you? You should go back and read that page a
little further. It IS myopic, it IS boilerplate, it IS convenient, and
there IS no other reason for you to dasy to w/r to what you snipped so
no one could connect the two without looking back. You didnt even have
the intelligence to cover WHAT is myopic, etc.. Doesn't work, I'm
afraid.
Now, if we want to talk about projecting one's attitudes and problems
... nah, that's too huge a subject.


lol, well you're consistantly stupid, I'll admit that! What
boilerplate? Do you even know what boilerplate IS? And no, I don't
recall anything about logs and eyes

Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least, unfortunately.

Ignorance and stupidity noted, once again. My turn now: I recall and
old saw about "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach". Jeez,
let's hope you never actually teach!


Woo, talk about projection; now we know you have education problems,
too. I finished my education probably in excess of at least 3 years of
your, and likely 7 or more years.

I wasn't talking about a train engineer when I mentioned the term engineer.

And why you use the lies about
respect, I'll never know.
You're right, I have NOT seen evidence of the claims of the inane,
closed minded and otherwise disabled minds here are touting.

Self projection noted. (please look up the term sometime)

That's because I have continuous, actual experience, research the issues
and
applications I use, and bother to know what they are capable of and what
they are not capable of, before putting them into a production
situation.
Early on I doubted them, but gave them the benefit of the doubt and
asked for further information. When none were forthcoming I became even
more suspicious. It's not jus me either: Many people over time early on
asked for the same confirmation/verification so they too could
understant where the original authors were coming from. But you know
what? They obviously didn't have anything because they never parted
with anything of any sort to back up their contentions. I on the other
hand, have done so, early on especially, and with some detailed white
papers on the subject.
As time went on their claims became more and more injurious to people
who might believe them and they began to berate people who dared to
disagree with them. That's when I got involved and stepped up my own
research, re-read my old research, and having a curious mind, even dug
into the Innards of some of those programs I'd been useing so
successfully for so long, and even managed communications with the code
authors for further help. Not a single one ever lied to me, and one
mis-spoke due to English not being his native language. And shortly
after that I'd managed to become good enough to actually watch much of
what the programs were doing, and guess what? Everything was verified.
But that's pretty much irrelevant; it only satisfied my own natural
curiousity. The proof is, that most such applications do exactly what
they claim they will do, ARE useful, some moreso than others, and DO
provide valuable and useful results.
Buried in my archives, the other day looking for something else based
on a similar name, I found a reference to my own discussion on how a
registry cleaner had shortened a boot time by a full 60 seconds. Out of
a 4 minute boot, that was pretty substantial. And, it was attribued to
3 separate and specific program applications. As for records of these
things, every single one is archived as my system has been under monthly
full and nightly incremental backups for longer than you have probably
known what the registry was even for. Not that well planned, but still
available, some go all the way back to CP/M days. And yes, I CAN read
CP/M 10 hard sectored, double-sided, 90k/side 5 1/4" floppies.

But then you get people like you that are so myopic they can only see
one tree amongst a whole forest. You key in on one small point that
hopefully will propel you to a successful banishment of the entire
forest in other's eyes and prove your'e right. It seldom works. If you
can't see the whole picture, you may as well not look because you won't
see anythign resembling a true picture of any event or situation.

Thanks for this opportunity,

Twayne

ROFLMAO!
By the way, when I used the term engineer before, I wasn't talking about a
train engineer, so I'm sorry for your possible confusion there.

 

[Twayne]

Bilco said:

....

Ummm, not really. But the denial is noted.

Evidence noted.

....

Again, no substance, just ad hominems. Gee, what a surprise.


Once again, no substance, just ad hominems as your last recourse.

lol, got a word-a-day calendar? Lots of substance if you had any reading
comprehension.

Actually, I never intimated such a thing. Perhaps you do have a
reading comprehension problem, afterall.

Yeah, you did; you just don't know what the thread is actually about.

....

It wouldn't happen if you watched your steps! But I can't help you
there.

I wouldn't want you to help me pick up my dog's turds with your
background.

....

Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least, unfortunately.

lol, really?

I wasn't talking about a train engineer when I mentioned the term
engineer.

Self projection noted. (please look up the term sometime)


ROFLMAO!
By the way, when I used the term engineer before, I wasn't talking
about a train engineer, so I'm sorry for your possible confusion
there.

lol, well, since you never said anything about it other than to say what
you didn't mean by the term, I guess I can see what might have you
roflmao. You're pretty easily amused, as most children are.
You make an interesting sociological specimen in the way you attempt
to use sylabillic words and initialisms/acronyms as you blunder on.

Thanks again for this opportunity,

Twayne

 

[~~Robert]

Twane:

It is obvious that you think that you know everything, and no one
else knows anything. However, many of us log on to learn, or to help,
and it is much more difficult, and wastes a lot of time, if we must
wade though pages of your calling people names. If you are better
informed, why not simply state your argument, and let others decide
who they wish to believe?

It is even possilbe that, under different circumstances, each side has
arguments with merit. But, spewing venom is not a plus, if you are
trying to change minds. Perhaps your time might be better spent if you
considered for a moment why you are so angry and intolerant.

Relax. We are not at war with each other. We are here to help one
another.

~~Robert