choosing a video card

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Guest

Hi

I am helping an elderly friend with her computer. It is a desktop HP
running XP with a LCD monitor.

Her video card is failing and needs to be replaced. Her present one is an
mobo integrated card:
NVIDIA Display
GeForce 6150 LE
5.51.28.39.25
IRQ 16
256 MB
ForceWare version 82.05

This elderly friend only uses her PC for email and therefore she has low
requirements in her video card.

How do I decide what video card to install in her PC?

Will it be a problem disabling the present integrated video card?

Any suggestions as to which card to get for her?

Thanks.

Jeff
 
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Anna

David B. said:
How did you determine the onboard graphics are failing?


Jeff:
As (I believe) David is inferring, it's *extremely* rare that a
motherboard's onboard graphics capability will become defective without (in
effect) the entire motherboard becoming defective and needing replacement.
It *can* happen but it's extremely rare and when it *does* happen we
generally advise a motherboard replacement. So are you absolutely certain
that's at the root of your friend's problem?

You keep mentioning an "integrated video card", but just to verify there
really is no "card", right? The graphics capability is built right into the
motherboard, i.e., as you point out "integrated", right?

In any event if it does turn out that for one reason or another a
graphics/video card is needed as a replacement, see...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-price,2323.html
It's generally a reliable source for choosing such...

If you do install a card ensure that the motherboard's BIOS setting
indicates Disabled for onboard graphics support.
Anna
 
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Guest

It crashes repeatedly with a Windows popup that says:

Error Message: STOP 0x000000EA
Thread_stuck_in_device_driver
(Q293078)

You received this message because the video driver installed on your
computer caused Windows to stop unexpectedly. This type of error is
referred to as a "stop error". A stop error requires you to restart
your computer.

Solution:
There are 2 options you can use to fix the problem. If the first
option does not work try the second.
Option 1: Install the most current device driver for your video card
Option 2: Manually decrease Hardware Acceleration for your video
card.

There was no more current device driver available so I manually decreased
the Hardware Acceleration, but the crashes and messages continued.

I asked for advice on microsoft.public.windowsxp.general and they said it
was probably the video card that was failing.

Jeff
 
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Mike Hall - MVP

Hi

I am helping an elderly friend with her computer. It is a desktop HP
running XP with a LCD monitor.

Her video card is failing and needs to be replaced. Her present one is an
mobo integrated card:
NVIDIA Display
GeForce 6150 LE
5.51.28.39.25
IRQ 16
256 MB
ForceWare version 82.05

This elderly friend only uses her PC for email and therefore she has low
requirements in her video card.

How do I decide what video card to install in her PC?

Will it be a problem disabling the present integrated video card?

Any suggestions as to which card to get for her?

Thanks.

Jeff


It is unusual for an integrated video card to fail. In what way is it
failing?

Are the correct drivers installed? Is the correct resolution set?
 
G

Guest

Mike said:
It is unusual for an integrated video card to fail. In what way is it
failing?

Are the correct drivers installed? Is the correct resolution set?

I will recheck the drivers and the resolution. Everything worked fine until
her grandson spent a few days with her. True!

He is now back in Australia and would probably not admit what he did .......

Jeff
 
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Mike Hall - MVP

I will recheck the drivers and the resolution. Everything worked fine
until her grandson spent a few days with her. True!

He is now back in Australia and would probably not admit what he did
.......

Jeff


Would PROBABLY not admit it? LOL.. You give her grandson more credit than he
is PROBABLY due..
 
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JS

Since all this happened after the Grandson's visit I would.
1) Download the latest video driver from HP's web site.
2) Install the driver.
3) If the problem still persist then open the case cover and
check to see if there is a slot for a Video Card and also read
the user' manual.
4) If the is a slot for a stand alone video card determine if it's
an AGP or PCI-E slot. This determines the type of card to buy.
(Almost any stand alone card will be faster/better then the built
in graphics chip).
5) You also need to disable the onboard video in the BIOS when
you boot up for the first time after installing the card.

Note: Don't forget that most cards these day have an external
power connector and your computer's power supply must have the
correct type connector (Molex 4 pin or 6 pin PCI-E power cable)
required for the video card so check this also before you go hunting
for a new card.
 
G

Guest

Thank you JS.

Jeff
Since all this happened after the Grandson's visit I would.
1) Download the latest video driver from HP's web site.
2) Install the driver.
3) If the problem still persist then open the case cover and
check to see if there is a slot for a Video Card and also read
the user' manual.
4) If the is a slot for a stand alone video card determine if it's
an AGP or PCI-E slot. This determines the type of card to buy.
(Almost any stand alone card will be faster/better then the built
in graphics chip).
5) You also need to disable the onboard video in the BIOS when
you boot up for the first time after installing the card.

Note: Don't forget that most cards these day have an external
power connector and your computer's power supply must have the
correct type connector (Molex 4 pin or 6 pin PCI-E power cable)
required for the video card so check this also before you go hunting
for a new card.
 
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Paul

Thank you JS.

Jeff

In terms of 6150 LE capabilities, they're listed here.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/mobo_gpu_tech_specs.html

The 6150 LE has "1x16+2x1" PCI Express. That means the
chipset can support a PCI Express x16 slot. But you have
to visually inspect the motherboard, and see if a long
connector is present. The PCI Express x1 slots, can
be used to interface to a "short" slot (for add-in
cards), or in some cases, the interfaces will be connected
to Ethernet chips or other accessories.

This is a PCI Express x16. You can see the coupling capacitors, along
the upper edge of the picture. The small ceramic capacitors are
used to AC couple the bus connections. The big x16 slot, is
typically used for video cards, although other card
types will also fit (expensive RAID controllers).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCI-Express-Bus.jpg

This is an example, of one of the cheaper PCI Express x16 cards that
Newegg sells. You should be able to match this price elsewhere.
This is an 8400 GS PCI Express for $30.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16814127368

You can see in the card list here, that the specs vary greatly from
one product offering to another. To hit $30, it might have less
memory, or a lower "clock" for some of the components. None of
this will matter to a person who is not playing 3D games.

http://www.gpureview.com/GeForce-8400-GS-PCI-E-card-529.html

There are currently two standards for PCI Express. There is
PCI Express Revision 1 and Revision 2. Revision 2 products are
backward compatible with Revision 1 motherboards. So you should
not have to worry about that.

*******

With respect to the Grandson, remember that computers are meant
to be used. The graphics chip, if run in 3D mode, gets warm.
The manufacturer fits cooling solutions, considered to be
sufficient for all modes of usage. So if the CPU runs at
100% computing capacity, the machine should not croak.
Similarly, if someone plays a 3D game using the build-in
GPU, the machine should provide many happy hours of usage.
Engineers are supposed to test, that the cooling is adequate
for all usage patterns, including usage of the computer
in a heated room. (At one time, they would even state
what the maximum room temperature for usage was. But
try and find that spec now.)

In some 6100 and 6150 retail motherboards, there were issues
with a small percentage of them having bad graphics output.
This required warranty service, to resolve the problem.
Whether this is part of the Nvidia "bump/underfill" fiasco,
I cannot say. But Nvidia did have problems with the
physical construction of their chips, and put aside
$200 million, as part of warranty repair for affected
computers.

So for your video card experiment, all you need spend is $30.

If the warranty is still in effect, you can talk to the
manufacturer, and see what their policy is on things
affected by Nvidia chips.

Paul
 
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SC Tom

You're right on the mark.

Jeff
Since neither you nor the grandmother know what her darling little grandson
did, try scanning for malware. MalwareBytes works great in normal mode, and
SuperAntiSpyware can be run in safe mode. It may possibly be corrupt driver
or system files from whatever he downloaded (if indeed he did- I'll bet big
money he'd say he didn't do anything).

SC Tom
 
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M.I.5¾

Mr. Smith said:
Why ask here? What card you get is purely a matter of personal choice
and what the computer will handle. Do research on the multitudes of
websites that deal with these issues.

Ignore our resident ****wit.

Your question belongs in a *hardware* forum, which this is.
 

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