Changing Properties

[Guest]

I asked a company to email me their soft copy (word version) of the letter
that they said they had mailed out to me on July 7, 2006. I just rec'd the
letter; however, the properties do not make sense to me. Listed below are
the properties. Can one change the properties to reflect that they sent a
word document? Remember, she advised that she mailed the letter out on July
7, 2006, to which, we never rec'd. Anyone's input would be greatly
appreciated.

HER PROPERTIES:
GENERAL: MSword 97-2002, MS Dosname: 3618_,
Created: Tuesday, Oct. 3, 2006 6:14 pm (date I opened)
Modified: Tuesday, Oct. 3, 2006 6:14 pm (date I opened -
keeps modifying and creating when I reopen with new time)
Accessed: Tuesday, Oct. 3, 2006 6:14 PM
STATISTICS: Created Friday, July 7, 2006 10:01 am
Modified Tuesday, Oct. 3, 2006 6:14 pm
Accessed: Tuesday, Oct. 3, 2006 6:14 pm
Printed: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:37 pm
REVISION: #6
CONTENTS: Doc Contents - Title - August 7, 2003
CUSTOM PROPERTIES: -AdHocr... 371123020 Number
-Email/Su... Rockport,L... Text
-AuthorE... veronica@c... Text
-AuthorE... veronicaFr... Text
-Reviewing... Text

SUMMARY: Title: August 7, 2003
AUTHER: Win 98

 

[Graham Mayor]

It is possible to change anything, but whether a general correspondent would
have the expertise to do so is questionable. Such statistics will not stand
up in a court as proof of anything. Why do you find it difficult to accept
that a letter never arrived simply because it was lost in the post? The UK
postal services (for example) lose millions of letters!

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[Guest]

Are you a lawyer or just a person who likes to answer people with stupid
remarks? I didn't ask about our postal system, I asked about changing
properties. People are computer savy these days, and this woman, has shown
in the past her distrust and disorganization, not only to me, but to many
others. I am the only one willing to fight for it. Again, thanks for your
stupid reply.

 

[Tony Jollans]

Hmmm...

You said ... "Anyone's input would be greatly appreciated."

You also said that the properties do not make sense to you so whether or not
someone could have, or actually had, changed them would not be evident to
you and a reasonable assumption would be that you were going to ask someone
else, perhaps a lawyer.

Graham's remarks were accurate and perfectly reasonable. As he said it is
possible to change anything - send me a document and tell me what you want
changed if you don't believe me - and no property of a document reflects
when a copy of it is sent anywhere.

 

[Graham Mayor]

I don't know why I waste my time responding to idiots. I am not a lawyer,
but someone who worked for some years in computer fraud investigation. I may
be a little rusty on what can be achieved these days, but there was nothing
stupid (or inaccurate) about the reply. *Anything* that is on a computer can
be changed - and has no evidential value in the absence of corroborration.
The properties present no problem. The statistics you quoted are ultimately
meaningless. If you have problems with your correspondent, then you will
have to explore a different avenue for dealing with it.

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[Guest]

You caught me on a bad day. Sorry to criticize your remark. I understand
and realize you can make changes in documents - but neither one of you can
explain to me why the creation date is different from her printed date?
Either cutting, pasting or copying from another document, can change these
properties to reflect these different dates, which I believe happened.
However, I appreciate your feedback, I did not find it very helpful.

Again, please accept my apology

 

[Graham Mayor]

Apology accepted. However the dates on their own are meaningless. You have
no way of using them to prove your suspicions. If you open the document in
the script editor (ALT+SHIFT+F11) you can change all or any of these dates
to anything you want, thus a document can be logged as printed before it is
created.!

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[Tony Jollans]

Find an existing Word document which you have previously printed. Open it in
Word and make a note of the Date Printed. Then Save it As a different name.
Close and re-open the document and you will see that the creation date is
the current date but the printed date is as before. So, if she has printed a
document and then, sometime later, saved a copy to send to you, that would
explain what you see.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

And if you have opened the document from an email attachment and saved it,
any of the dates might reflect that. Also, the PrintDate is correct only if
the document has been saved after it was last printed.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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[Guest]

Hi,

Well I went ahead and did a metadata shema report of her email and it
revealed a last save time of 9/19/06 at 3:33pm, still showing the last print
date of 4/18/2006 and the creation date of 7/7/2006. My thoughts are she
either changed the time setting on her computer, created a new document
probably from a save as to get these properties. The 9/19/06 makes more
sense as she sent another letter in the mail dated 9/25/06, giving me the
impression, she actually created it on 9/19/06 - if that makes any sense. I
am actually going to her office tomorrow to view the original document and
ask from her the last print date, where she actually printed it from. If
you have any other suggestions or opinions, feel free to forward them along.

Thank you all for your input )))))

 

[Guest]

Hi,

Well I went ahead and did a metadata shema report of her email and it
revealed a last save time of 9/19/06 at 3:33pm, still showing the last print
date of 4/18/2006 and the creation date of 7/7/2006. My thoughts are she
either changed the time setting on her computer, created a new document
probably from a save as to get these properties. The 9/19/06 makes more
sense as she sent another letter in the mail dated 9/25/06 along with the hard copy of the July 7, 2006 letter, giving me the
impression, she actually created it on 9/19/06 - if that makes any sense. I
am actually going to her office tomorrow to view the original document and
ask from her the last print date, where she actually printed it from. If
you have any other suggestions or opinions, feel free to forward them along.

Thank you all for your input )))))