change network group name and filesharing help

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AMD

How do I change the network name in Vista from workgroup to something else?
i wanna change it from WORKGROUP to MSHOME. Also is there a wizard in Vista
for setting up network sharing etc like XP pro has?

I need help with enabling filesharing so I can connect to my Vista pc from
anything, xbox 360, xbox 1so I can stream movies and music and other pcs not
running vista. I need to be able to access any folder and file. So i should
be able to access c:\ and all the files and folders and e:\ and g:\ which
are backup drives and so on.
 
A

AMD

AMD said:
How do I change the network name in Vista from workgroup to something
else? i wanna change it from WORKGROUP to MSHOME. Also is there a wizard
in Vista for setting up network sharing etc like XP pro has?

I need help with enabling filesharing so I can connect to my Vista pc from
anything, xbox 360, xbox 1so I can stream movies and music and other pcs
not running vista. I need to be able to access any folder and file. So i
should be able to access c:\ and all the files and folders and e:\ and g:\
which are backup drives and so on.
Click to expand...


Got the network group changed in vista now, thanks to Dave.
still looking for help in the filesharing. thanks to all.
 
C

Chuck

Got the network group changed in vista now, thanks to Dave.
still looking for help in the filesharing. thanks to all.
Click to expand...

File Sharing in Windows Vista is like in Windows XP, except for 2 issues
(improvements).
# Vista has Password Protected Sharing (PPS), which is essentially the same as
Advanced File Sharing (AFS) under Windows XP Pro.
# There is no equivalent to XP Home; you can enable PPS, or disable it, at will.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html

If you want Guest only file sharing, Disable PPS. Then Enable Guest on all
computers, for network access.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help
 
A

AMD

Chuck said:
File Sharing in Windows Vista is like in Windows XP, except for 2 issues
(improvements).
# Vista has Password Protected Sharing (PPS), which is essentially the
same as
Advanced File Sharing (AFS) under Windows XP Pro.
# There is no equivalent to XP Home; you can enable PPS, or disable it, at
will.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html

If you want Guest only file sharing, Disable PPS. Then Enable Guest on
all
computers, for network access.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help
Click to expand...


Thanks Chuck. I'm trying to connect to the vista pc from my xbox1 so I can
stream music and video. The xbox is browsing the lan ok and it sees both my
xphome pc and vista pc on MSHOME as the group name. It works fine connecting
to and browsing/streaming media from the xphome pc. if i try to connect to
the vista pc nothing at all happens. it sees the vista pc, but nothing
happens at all when i click on it to go in to my vista pc.

the vista pc filesharing is on and i have shared the hard drives on the
vista pc too. i right click and click sharing. i enable sharing in there on
each drive and even have tried folders. nothing happens though. i even gave
full permissions to everyone and added my own user account in there with
full permission too. in networking and sharing control panel in vista i have
password needed enabled.
my Network and sharing control panel is as follows.

1: network discovery on
2: file sharing on
3: public folder sharing on (password required)
4: printer sharing off. don't care. no printers connected.
5: password protected sharing on
6: media sharing on

to share folders and drives this is how i do it.

right click on E drive. it's a 160gb drive. internal.
chose sharing from the right click menu
click on advanced sharing
share this folder is checked as enabled
click permissions
click allow for full control.
Everyone is in the Group or user names above.
click the add button
click advance
click find now
click my own user account Joe
click ok
click ok
click the allow button for full control
click apply then ok in advanced sharing window
local disk e properties is saying e:\ shared

i can't connect to this.
in the xp pc it's set the same for that pc yet i can connect fine to it.
 
A

AMD

Chuck said:
You didn't mention the Network Location Type.
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx#EED>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx#EED

Also, Enable NetBT on all computers.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html

And check name resolution.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/address-resolution-on-lan.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/address-resolution-on-lan.html

Make sure that there are no third party personal firewalls. What
antivirus /
antitrojan products do you have?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html

And you listed,in detail, what shares are setup with permissions to what
accounts (local accounts). That's the NTFS permissioning. Separate from
NTFS
Permissions is activation of the accounts, for network access.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help
Click to expand...


it's private.
not running any virus or firewall cept windows firewall.
don't need to enable netbt as it isn't on the xbox.
per yer suggestion i think. i enabled net bios tho on tcp v4 in wins.

nothing works so far still.
xbox sees the vista, but won't go anywhere. connecting to xp home pc it's
fine.
 
C

Chuck

Thanks Chuck. I'm trying to connect to the vista pc from my xbox1 so I can
stream music and video. The xbox is browsing the lan ok and it sees both my
xphome pc and vista pc on MSHOME as the group name. It works fine connecting
to and browsing/streaming media from the xphome pc. if i try to connect to
the vista pc nothing at all happens. it sees the vista pc, but nothing
happens at all when i click on it to go in to my vista pc.

the vista pc filesharing is on and i have shared the hard drives on the
vista pc too. i right click and click sharing. i enable sharing in there on
each drive and even have tried folders. nothing happens though. i even gave
full permissions to everyone and added my own user account in there with
full permission too. in networking and sharing control panel in vista i have
password needed enabled.
my Network and sharing control panel is as follows.

1: network discovery on
2: file sharing on
3: public folder sharing on (password required)
4: printer sharing off. don't care. no printers connected.
5: password protected sharing on
6: media sharing on

to share folders and drives this is how i do it.

right click on E drive. it's a 160gb drive. internal.
chose sharing from the right click menu
click on advanced sharing
share this folder is checked as enabled
click permissions
click allow for full control.
Everyone is in the Group or user names above.
click the add button
click advance
click find now
click my own user account Joe
click ok
click ok
click the allow button for full control
click apply then ok in advanced sharing window
local disk e properties is saying e:\ shared

i can't connect to this.
in the xp pc it's set the same for that pc yet i can connect fine to it.
Click to expand...

You didn't mention the Network Location Type.
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx#EED>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx#EED

Also, Enable NetBT on all computers.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html

Make sure that there are no third party personal firewalls. What antivirus /
antitrojan products do you have?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html

And you listed,in detail, what shares are setup with permissions to what
accounts (local accounts). That's the NTFS permissioning. Separate from NTFS
Permissions is activation of the accounts, for network access.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help
 
C

Chuck

Thanks Chuck. I'm trying to connect to the vista pc from my xbox1 so I can
stream music and video. The xbox is browsing the lan ok and it sees both my
xphome pc and vista pc on MSHOME as the group name. It works fine connecting
to and browsing/streaming media from the xphome pc. if i try to connect to
the vista pc nothing at all happens. it sees the vista pc, but nothing
happens at all when i click on it to go in to my vista pc.

the vista pc filesharing is on and i have shared the hard drives on the
vista pc too. i right click and click sharing. i enable sharing in there on
each drive and even have tried folders. nothing happens though. i even gave
full permissions to everyone and added my own user account in there with
full permission too. in networking and sharing control panel in vista i have
password needed enabled.
my Network and sharing control panel is as follows.

1: network discovery on
2: file sharing on
3: public folder sharing on (password required)
4: printer sharing off. don't care. no printers connected.
5: password protected sharing on
6: media sharing on

to share folders and drives this is how i do it.

right click on E drive. it's a 160gb drive. internal.
chose sharing from the right click menu
click on advanced sharing
share this folder is checked as enabled
click permissions
click allow for full control.
Everyone is in the Group or user names above.
click the add button
click advance
click find now
click my own user account Joe
click ok
click ok
click the allow button for full control
click apply then ok in advanced sharing window
local disk e properties is saying e:\ shared

i can't connect to this.
in the xp pc it's set the same for that pc yet i can connect fine to it.
Click to expand...

You didn't mention the Network Location Type.
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx#EED>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx#EED

Also, Enable NetBT on all computers.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html

And check name resolution.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/address-resolution-on-lan.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/address-resolution-on-lan.html

Make sure that there are no third party personal firewalls. What antivirus /
antitrojan products do you have?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html

And you listed,in detail, what shares are setup with permissions to what
accounts (local accounts). That's the NTFS permissioning. Separate from NTFS
Permissions is activation of the accounts, for network access.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Help
 
A

AMD

Chuck said:
OK, lets start enumerating the network.

You have 3 computers.
a) Vista.
b) Xbox.
c) XP HOme.

1) Can A connect to B?
2) Can A connect to C?
3) Can B connect to A?
4) Can B connect to C?
5) Can C connect to A?
6) Can C connect to B?

If "No" is appropriate, please elaborate.

And hoping that you have a standard 102 key keyboard, see if you can spot
the
long key just above "Ctrl". The "Shift" key. Does it work on your
keyboard?
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Are you mentioning the shift key because I don't have capital letters maybe
in my sentances? haha.

Vista can connect fine to pc running xp. Vista can connect fine to xbox
using http and ftp. Xp pc can connect fine to Vista pc. xbox can't connect
to vista pc. it sees it, but won't actually get past seeing it. xbox will
connect fine to xp pc. xp pc connect fine to xbox. the only issue is xbox to
vista.
 
C

Chuck

it's private.
not running any virus or firewall cept windows firewall.
don't need to enable netbt as it isn't on the xbox.
per yer suggestion i think. i enabled net bios tho on tcp v4 in wins.

nothing works so far still.
xbox sees the vista, but won't go anywhere. connecting to xp home pc it's
fine.
Click to expand...

OK, lets start enumerating the network.

You have 3 computers.
a) Vista.
b) Xbox.
c) XP HOme.

1) Can A connect to B?
2) Can A connect to C?
3) Can B connect to A?
4) Can B connect to C?
5) Can C connect to A?
6) Can C connect to B?

If "No" is appropriate, please elaborate.

And hoping that you have a standard 102 key keyboard, see if you can spot the
long key just above "Ctrl". The "Shift" key. Does it work on your keyboard?
 
A

AMD

Chuck said:
OK, we have a winner. Maybe.

Above, you say

Read about IP based networking.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

And make the NetBT setting (Enabled / Disabled) consistent.

And yes, your Shift key seems to be flaky. This is a technical help
forum, and
many terms are much easier to see when you capitalise. NetBT for instance
is
easier to see than netbt.
Click to expand...


Chuck, thanks. Well, there's nothing to set on the xbox. Also I have
disabled and enabled NetBios in vista and it makes no difference. Xp to
Vista works fine though no matter what. xbox to XP works fine too. Just no
xp to vista for me.

Now, if I enable media sharing on Vista then xbox can connect to that
folder. The folders that are in the media sharing setup/monitoring. the way
you connect to the media sharing from xbox is through upnp servers inside
the xbox. Meaning in the xbox media center there is an option called UPnP
Media Servers (Auto Discover). That is the only way to connect to the media
sharing on Vista. The major problem here is that the music is not listed
correctly so they are not played in order.

Browsing the lan normally though through the MSHOME workgroup doesn't
connect past the I see Vista screen.
 
C

Chuck

Are you mentioning the shift key because I don't have capital letters maybe
in my sentances? haha.

Vista can connect fine to pc running xp. Vista can connect fine to xbox
using http and ftp. Xp pc can connect fine to Vista pc. xbox can't connect
to vista pc. it sees it, but won't actually get past seeing it. xbox will
connect fine to xp pc. xp pc connect fine to xbox. the only issue is xbox to
vista.
Click to expand...


OK, we have a winner. Maybe.

Above, you say
don't need to enable netbt as it isn't on the xbox. And immediately above
xbox can't connect to vista pc. it sees it, but won't actually get past seeing it.
the only issue is xbox to vista.
Click to expand...

Read about IP based networking.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

And make the NetBT setting (Enabled / Disabled) consistent.

And yes, your Shift key seems to be flaky. This is a technical help forum, and
many terms are much easier to see when you capitalise. NetBT for instance is
easier to see than netbt.
 
A

AMD

Chuck said:
OK, your problem in general is with Server Message Blocks (SMBs). SMBs
are
essential for file sharing, and for browsing. In small LANs they are also
used
for name resolution.

SMBs are classically transported over NetBT (NetBT Enabled), but with
Windows
2000 + they can be transported directly hosted over IP (NetBT Disabled).
They
can also be transported over NetBEUI, IPX/SPX, or whatever proprietary
layer is
provided by Network Magic (there's a little pimp in this forum flogging
NM).
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/10/network-language-that-your-computer.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/10/network-language-that-your-computer.html

The point here is that with a LAN, all computers need to transport SMBs
identically. If you run "browstat status" and look at the protocol
binding
list, you'll see what's up.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

And if you are transporting SMBs over IP (Direct or NetBT), you have to
make
sure that all personal firewalls permit this.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html
Click to expand...


Chuck, thanks for everything. The last post though doesn't seem to help me
though. I don't see how come the xbox is fine with xp, but not Vista. That
blows my mind. And the fact that via media sharing the xbox can only using
that way connect to Vista in the media sharing folders. Yet this is
pointless being the order is not normal.
 
C

Chuck

Chuck, thanks. Well, there's nothing to set on the xbox. Also I have
disabled and enabled NetBios in vista and it makes no difference. Xp to
Vista works fine though no matter what. xbox to XP works fine too. Just no
xp to vista for me.

Now, if I enable media sharing on Vista then xbox can connect to that
folder. The folders that are in the media sharing setup/monitoring. the way
you connect to the media sharing from xbox is through upnp servers inside
the xbox. Meaning in the xbox media center there is an option called UPnP
Media Servers (Auto Discover). That is the only way to connect to the media
sharing on Vista. The major problem here is that the music is not listed
correctly so they are not played in order.

Browsing the lan normally though through the MSHOME workgroup doesn't
connect past the I see Vista screen.
Click to expand...

OK, your problem in general is with Server Message Blocks (SMBs). SMBs are
essential for file sharing, and for browsing. In small LANs they are also used
for name resolution.

SMBs are classically transported over NetBT (NetBT Enabled), but with Windows
2000 + they can be transported directly hosted over IP (NetBT Disabled). They
can also be transported over NetBEUI, IPX/SPX, or whatever proprietary layer is
provided by Network Magic (there's a little pimp in this forum flogging NM).
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/10/network-language-that-your-computer.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/10/network-language-that-your-computer.html

The point here is that with a LAN, all computers need to transport SMBs
identically. If you run "browstat status" and look at the protocol binding
list, you'll see what's up.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

And if you are transporting SMBs over IP (Direct or NetBT), you have to make
sure that all personal firewalls permit this.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html
 
C

Chuck

Chuck, thanks for everything. The last post though doesn't seem to help me
though. I don't see how come the xbox is fine with xp, but not Vista. That
blows my mind. And the fact that via media sharing the xbox can only using
that way connect to Vista in the media sharing folders. Yet this is
pointless being the order is not normal.
Click to expand...

The issue is SMBs which aren't being transported consistently. Run "browstat
status" on all 3 computers, and let's compare.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

When you said
don't need to enable netbt as it isn't on the xbox.
Click to expand...
that's the problem.

Work on the problem. I'll work with you, as long as you do.
 
A

AMD

Chuck said:
The issue is SMBs which aren't being transported consistently. Run
"browstat
status" on all 3 computers, and let's compare.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

When you said
that's the problem.

Work on the problem. I'll work with you, as long as you do.
Click to expand...


Thanks Chuck. Umm, the xbox can't be changed or anything. There's no
settings for networking like there would be on a pc. I will look in the xbox
network area and see if there is anything I can do though. It is different
then a pc though since it's not running windows.

I typed in browsat status in the dos command window, but it's not a
recognised command. Did I do that wrong?
 
A

AMD

Chuck said:
The issue is SMBs which aren't being transported consistently. Run
"browstat
status" on all 3 computers, and let's compare.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

When you said
that's the problem.

Work on the problem. I'll work with you, as long as you do.
Click to expand...


I should have looked before I posted, sorry. I got the browstat tool.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Joe>browstat status


Status for domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E757-F737-4E22-BD
84-EE635A904F76}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: JOE-DELL
Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 53
\\\\JOE-DELL . Version:05.01 Flags: 51203 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master JOE-DELL
\\JOE-DELL
There are 2 servers in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E
757-F737-4E22-BD84-EE635A904F76}
There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E
757-F737-4E22-BD84-EE635A904F76}
 
C

Chuck

Thanks Chuck. Umm, the xbox can't be changed or anything. There's no
settings for networking like there would be on a pc. I will look in the xbox
network area and see if there is anything I can do though. It is different
then a pc though since it's not running windows.

I typed in browsat status in the dos command window, but it's not a
recognised command. Did I do that wrong?
Click to expand...

It's browstat. Did you download it, and where did you put the downloaded
program?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html
 
C

Chuck

Chuck said:
The issue is SMBs which aren't being transported consistently. Run
"browstat
status" on all 3 computers, and let's compare.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

When you said
that's the problem.

Work on the problem. I'll work with you, as long as you do.
Click to expand...


I should have looked before I posted, sorry. I got the browstat tool.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Joe>browstat status


Status for domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E757-F737-4E22-BD
84-EE635A904F76}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: JOE-DELL
Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 53
\\\\JOE-DELL . Version:05.01 Flags: 51203 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master JOE-DELL
\\JOE-DELL
There are 2 servers in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E
757-F737-4E22-BD84-EE635A904F76}
There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E
757-F737-4E22-BD84-EE635A904F76}
Click to expand...

OK, you know how to run it now, so run from the other computer too. And a pair
of "ipconfig /all" too please.
 
A

AMD

Chuck said:
Chuck said:
OK, we have a winner. Maybe.

Above, you say
don't need to enable netbt as it isn't on the xbox.
And immediately above
xbox can't connect to vista pc. it sees it, but won't actually get
past
seeing it.
the only issue is xbox to vista.

Read about IP based networking.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

And make the NetBT setting (Enabled / Disabled) consistent.

And yes, your Shift key seems to be flaky. This is a technical help
forum, and
many terms are much easier to see when you capitalise. NetBT for
instance
is
easier to see than netbt.

Chuck, thanks. Well, there's nothing to set on the xbox. Also I have
disabled and enabled NetBios in vista and it makes no difference. Xp
to
Vista works fine though no matter what. xbox to XP works fine too.
Just
no
xp to vista for me.

Now, if I enable media sharing on Vista then xbox can connect to that
folder. The folders that are in the media sharing setup/monitoring.
the
way
you connect to the media sharing from xbox is through upnp servers
inside
the xbox. Meaning in the xbox media center there is an option called
UPnP
Media Servers (Auto Discover). That is the only way to connect to the
media
sharing on Vista. The major problem here is that the music is not
listed
correctly so they are not played in order.

Browsing the lan normally though through the MSHOME workgroup doesn't
connect past the I see Vista screen.

OK, your problem in general is with Server Message Blocks (SMBs).
SMBs
are
essential for file sharing, and for browsing. In small LANs they are
also
used
for name resolution.

SMBs are classically transported over NetBT (NetBT Enabled), but with
Windows
2000 + they can be transported directly hosted over IP (NetBT
Disabled).
They
can also be transported over NetBEUI, IPX/SPX, or whatever proprietary
layer is
provided by Network Magic (there's a little pimp in this forum
flogging
NM).
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/10/network-language-that-your-computer.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/10/network-language-that-your-computer.html

The point here is that with a LAN, all computers need to transport
SMBs
identically. If you run "browstat status" and look at the protocol
binding
list, you'll see what's up.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

And if you are transporting SMBs over IP (Direct or NetBT), you have
to
make
sure that all personal firewalls permit this.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from
experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.


Chuck, thanks for everything. The last post though doesn't seem to help
me
though. I don't see how come the xbox is fine with xp, but not Vista.
That
blows my mind. And the fact that via media sharing the xbox can only
using
that way connect to Vista in the media sharing folders. Yet this is
pointless being the order is not normal.

The issue is SMBs which aren't being transported consistently. Run
"browstat
status" on all 3 computers, and let's compare.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

When you said
don't need to enable netbt as it isn't on the xbox.
that's the problem.

Work on the problem. I'll work with you, as long as you do.
Click to expand...


I should have looked before I posted, sorry. I got the browstat tool.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Joe>browstat status


Status for domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E757-F737-4E22-BD
84-EE635A904F76}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: JOE-DELL
Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 53
\\\\JOE-DELL . Version:05.01 Flags: 51203 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master JOE-DELL
\\JOE-DELL
There are 2 servers in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E
757-F737-4E22-BD84-EE635A904F76}
There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E
757-F737-4E22-BD84-EE635A904F76}
Click to expand...

OK, you know how to run it now, so run from the other computer too. And a
pair
of "ipconfig /all" too please.
Click to expand...


Chuck, thank you!
I'm really tired so I won't be able to do this just now. I'm going to rest.
I should be able to by Tuesday. I hope you will keep a look out in our
thread here for my next post which will have the info needed.
 
C

Chuck

Chuck said:
OK, we have a winner. Maybe.

Above, you say
don't need to enable netbt as it isn't on the xbox.
And immediately above
xbox can't connect to vista pc. it sees it, but won't actually get
past
seeing it.
the only issue is xbox to vista.

Read about IP based networking.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

And make the NetBT setting (Enabled / Disabled) consistent.

And yes, your Shift key seems to be flaky. This is a technical help
forum, and
many terms are much easier to see when you capitalise. NetBT for
instance
is
easier to see than netbt.

Chuck, thanks. Well, there's nothing to set on the xbox. Also I have
disabled and enabled NetBios in vista and it makes no difference. Xp
to
Vista works fine though no matter what. xbox to XP works fine too.
Just
no
xp to vista for me.

Now, if I enable media sharing on Vista then xbox can connect to that
folder. The folders that are in the media sharing setup/monitoring.
the
way
you connect to the media sharing from xbox is through upnp servers
inside
the xbox. Meaning in the xbox media center there is an option called
UPnP
Media Servers (Auto Discover). That is the only way to connect to the
media
sharing on Vista. The major problem here is that the music is not
listed
correctly so they are not played in order.

Browsing the lan normally though through the MSHOME workgroup doesn't
connect past the I see Vista screen.

OK, your problem in general is with Server Message Blocks (SMBs).
SMBs
are
essential for file sharing, and for browsing. In small LANs they are
also
used
for name resolution.

SMBs are classically transported over NetBT (NetBT Enabled), but with
Windows
2000 + they can be transported directly hosted over IP (NetBT
Disabled).
They
can also be transported over NetBEUI, IPX/SPX, or whatever proprietary
layer is
provided by Network Magic (there's a little pimp in this forum
flogging
NM).
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/10/network-language-that-your-computer.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/10/network-language-that-your-computer.html

The point here is that with a LAN, all computers need to transport
SMBs
identically. If you run "browstat status" and look at the protocol
binding
list, you'll see what's up.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

And if you are transporting SMBs over IP (Direct or NetBT), you have
to
make
sure that all personal firewalls permit this.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from
experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.


Chuck, thanks for everything. The last post though doesn't seem to help
me
though. I don't see how come the xbox is fine with xp, but not Vista.
That
blows my mind. And the fact that via media sharing the xbox can only
using
that way connect to Vista in the media sharing folders. Yet this is
pointless being the order is not normal.

The issue is SMBs which aren't being transported consistently. Run
"browstat
status" on all 3 computers, and let's compare.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html

When you said
don't need to enable netbt as it isn't on the xbox.
that's the problem.

Work on the problem. I'll work with you, as long as you do.




I should have looked before I posted, sorry. I got the browstat tool.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Joe>browstat status


Status for domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E757-F737-4E22-BD
84-EE635A904F76}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: JOE-DELL
Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 53
\\\\JOE-DELL . Version:05.01 Flags: 51203 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master JOE-DELL
\\JOE-DELL
There are 2 servers in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E
757-F737-4E22-BD84-EE635A904F76}
There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B18E
757-F737-4E22-BD84-EE635A904F76}
Click to expand...

OK, you know how to run it now, so run from the other computer too. And a
pair
of "ipconfig /all" too please.
Click to expand...


Chuck, thank you!
I'm really tired so I won't be able to do this just now. I'm going to rest.
I should be able to by Tuesday. I hope you will keep a look out in our
thread here for my next post which will have the info needed.
Click to expand...

I'll be here, and I can watch this thread. No sweat.
 

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