Capturing Analog Video

G

Guest

I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media Center. I am getting poor
picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing an analog signal to
my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR (VHS) or my Hi-8
video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows Movie Maker software.
I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the software supported
analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
 
G

Graham Hughes, MVP Digital Media

Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this is normal analogue
picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
Graham
 
G

Guest

Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is hard to explain but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the picture kind of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines actually. The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of VHS..both about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was perfect and the other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last week, I was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems (but I didn't go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8 tape play perfect
inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr? I only see the
lines when I'm capturing the video???
 
G

Guest

I have essentially the same problem that you are having. I am running a Sony
Hi 8 Handycam analog signal through an S-Video cable to the port on the front
of my HP M370n. In record and re-play modes on both Showbiz and Moviemaker,
the image flickers, halts and jumps. When I run the signal directly through
the TV the image is perfect. I have been looking all over the place for
information about troubleshooting image quality with no luck. I hope that
someone with some insight will respond.
 
G

Graham Hughes

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see this on a hi8
tape

Graham
 
G

Guest

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

Graham Hughes said:
Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see this on a hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
 
W

Wojo

Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for analog capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into Movie Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an AVI file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to this site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee


degefu said:
hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my computer has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was captured is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
Cari (MS-MVP) said:
Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video. What kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem to work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging



degefu said:
helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video capture device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on and try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see this on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is hard to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems (but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8 tape play
perfect
inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr? I only
see the
lines when I'm capturing the video???

:

Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this is
normal
analogue
picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP
www.simplydv.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com

I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media Center. I
am
getting
poor
picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing an
analog
signal
to
my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR (VHS)
or
my
Hi-8
video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows Movie
Maker
software.
I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the software
supported
analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
 
G

Guest

thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
Wojo said:
Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for analog capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into Movie Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an AVI file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to this site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee


degefu said:
hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my computer has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was captured is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
Cari (MS-MVP) said:
Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video. What kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem to work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video capture device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on and try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see this on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is hard to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems (but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8 tape play
perfect
inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr? I only
see the
lines when I'm capturing the video???

:

Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this is
normal
analogue
picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP
www.simplydv.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com

I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media Center. I
am
getting
poor
picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing an
analog
signal
to
my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR (VHS)
or
my
Hi-8
video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows Movie
Maker
software.
I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the software
supported
analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
 
W

Wojo

Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo

degefu said:
thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
Wojo said:
Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee


degefu said:
hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my computer has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video. What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on and try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see this
on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is hard
to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last
week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems
(but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8 tape
play
perfect
inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr? I
only
see the
lines when I'm capturing the video???

:

Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this is
normal
analogue
picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP
www.simplydv.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com

I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media Center.
I
am
getting
poor
picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing an
analog
signal
to
my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR
(VHS)
or
my
Hi-8
video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows
Movie
Maker
software.
I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the
software
supported
analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
 
G

Guest

Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2 screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows conversion to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB connection. I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2 files. As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already, you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device ? Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device ?

Hope you can help.


Garry

Wojo said:
Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo

degefu said:
thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
Wojo said:
Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee



hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my computer has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video. What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on and try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see this
on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is hard
to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last
week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems
(but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8 tape
play
perfect
inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr? I
only
see the
lines when I'm capturing the video???

:

Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this is
normal
analogue
picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP
www.simplydv.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com

I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media Center.
I
am
getting
poor
picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing an
analog
signal
to
my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR
(VHS)
or
my
Hi-8
video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows
Movie
Maker
software.
I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the
software
supported
analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
 
W

Wojo

Hi Garry,
Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB connection.
So you really have three choices here.
1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows pass-through
and hook the VCR to that.
2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file to
AVI.
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee

Garry said:
Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2 screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows conversion
to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB connection.
I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2 files. As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already, you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device ? Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device ?

Hope you can help.


Garry

Wojo said:
Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo

degefu said:
thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
:

Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee



hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my computer
has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video. What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my
movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on and try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc
etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the
o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see
this
on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is
hard
to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was
perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last
week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems
(but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8
tape
play
perfect
inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr?
I
only
see the
lines when I'm capturing the video???

:

Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this
is
normal
analogue
picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP
www.simplydv.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com

message
I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media
Center.
I
am
getting
poor
picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing
an
analog
signal
to
my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR
(VHS)
or
my
Hi-8
video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows
Movie
Maker
software.
I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the
software
supported
analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
 
G

Guest

Hi Wojo,
Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you presented but
I'm still having difficulty.
1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to input an
analogue signal.
2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell external
devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have USB
connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for internal
cards.
3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the file
is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are reasonable in
small inset but are very poor in full screen.
My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue signal.
The second option is I think still the best option.
Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an AVI
file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could explain the
Hauppage poor AVI quality.
Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external device ?
In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?

Can you shed any further insights.
Thanks again

Garry




Wojo said:
Hi Garry,
Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB connection.
So you really have three choices here.
1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows pass-through
and hook the VCR to that.
2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file to
AVI.
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee

Garry said:
Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2 screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows conversion
to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB connection.
I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2 files. As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already, you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device ? Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device ?

Hope you can help.


Garry

Wojo said:
Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo


thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
:

Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee



hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my computer
has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video. What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my
movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on and try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc
etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the
o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see
this
on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is
hard
to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was
perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last
week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems
(but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8
tape
play
perfect
inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr?
I
only
see the
lines when I'm capturing the video???

:

Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this
is
normal
analogue
picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP
www.simplydv.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com

message
I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media
Center.
I
am
getting
poor
picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing
an
analog
signal
to
my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR
(VHS)
or
my
Hi-8
video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows
Movie
Maker
software.
I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the
software
supported
analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
 
W

Wojo

Hi Garry
I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog myself I am not
sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will chime in here as
this is more his area than mine.

First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle. It is a
piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via firewire and
is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and convert them
to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends but the name
of it slips my mind at the moment.

Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI using a USB
connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.

Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not sure if I
can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain that either
Graham or papajohn can.
-Wojo

Garry said:
Hi Wojo,
Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you presented
but
I'm still having difficulty.
1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to input an
analogue signal.
2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell external
devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have USB
connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for
internal
cards.
3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the file
is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are reasonable
in
small inset but are very poor in full screen.
My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue
signal.
The second option is I think still the best option.
Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an AVI
file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could explain
the
Hauppage poor AVI quality.
Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external device ?
In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?

Can you shed any further insights.
Thanks again

Garry




Wojo said:
Hi Garry,
Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB
connection.
So you really have three choices here.
1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
pass-through
and hook the VCR to that.
2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file to
AVI.
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee

Garry said:
Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a
problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2
screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows
conversion
to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB
connection.
I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2 files.
As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice
if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already,
you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device ?
Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device ?

Hope you can help.


Garry

:

Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo


thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
:

Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for
analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into
Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an
AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to
this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee



hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my
computer
has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video.
What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator
v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem
to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my
movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video
capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on and
try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help
please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc
etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the
o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see
this
on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
message
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is
hard
to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly
lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was
perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video.
Last
week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same
problems
(but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8
tape
play
perfect
inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my
vcr?
I
only
see the
lines when I'm capturing the video???

:

Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom
this
is
normal
analogue
picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP
www.simplydv.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com

message
I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media
Center.
I
am
getting
poor
picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am
capturing
an
analog
signal
to
my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a
VCR
(VHS)
or
my
Hi-8
video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or
Windows
Movie
Maker
software.
I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the
software
supported
analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture
device?
 
G

Graham Hughes

Hello, just popping in :)

To get the best as Wojo says you need to connect the vhs to a convertor
which will output dv-avi files and this has to be done using a firewire
connection to the pc. The better quality makes will also use tbc, which is
time base correction, this will keep the audio and video in sync. When you
capture them seperately the video card often processes the video and the
audio card the audio signal. As these work at different clock cycles you end
up with audio drift over time.
If you are UK based then PC World is not the best place to go, they have
lots of usb based products and often they are next ot useless.
Check out these two makes, superb quality, at a higher price, but one of
only two options to get the quality you say you want.
http://www.canopus-uk.com/US/products/ADVC_selection_guide/pm_advc_selection.asp
http://www.miglia.com/products/video/director2/index.html
http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/av_digitisers.html

The other option si to get a minidv camcorder which has analogue in.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Wojo said:
Hi Garry
I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog myself I am
not sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will chime in here
as this is more his area than mine.

First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle. It is a
piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via firewire and
is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and convert them
to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends but the
name of it slips my mind at the moment.

Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI using a USB
connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.

Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not sure if
I can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain that
either Graham or papajohn can.
-Wojo

Garry said:
Hi Wojo,
Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you presented
but
I'm still having difficulty.
1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to input
an
analogue signal.
2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell external
devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have
USB
connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for
internal
cards.
3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the
file
is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are reasonable
in
small inset but are very poor in full screen.
My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue
signal.
The second option is I think still the best option.
Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an AVI
file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could explain
the
Hauppage poor AVI quality.
Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external device
?
In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?

Can you shed any further insights.
Thanks again

Garry




Wojo said:
Hi Garry,
Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB
connection.
So you really have three choices here.
1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
pass-through
and hook the VCR to that.
2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file
to
AVI.
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee

Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a
problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2
screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows
conversion
to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB
connection.
I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2
files. As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice
if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already,
you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with
Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device
? Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device
?

Hope you can help.


Garry

:

Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo


thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
:

Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for
analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into
Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an
AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to
this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee



hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my
computer
has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus
i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video.
What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator
v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem
to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my
movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video
capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on and
try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help
please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc
etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the
o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't
see
this
on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
message
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It
is
hard
to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly
lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was
perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video.
Last
week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same
problems
(but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8
tape
play
perfect
inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my
vcr?
I
only
see the
lines when I'm capturing the video???

:

Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom
this
is
normal
analogue
picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP
www.simplydv.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com

message
I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media
Center.
I
am
getting
poor
picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am
capturing
an
analog
signal
to
my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a
VCR
(VHS)
or
my
Hi-8
video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or
Windows
Movie
Maker
software.
I thought the inputs on the front of my computer &
the
software
supported
analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture
device?
 
G

Guest

Hi Graham,

Thanks for those recomendations. I've checked out the websites and they
sound the business. I'm going to buy a "Take 2" device. The scart version of
this is quoted at nearly a €100 cheaper at €293.75. Although both versions
get a 5 out of 5 rating in the SimplyDV review. I can't think of any
disadvantage of using the scart. Even if using a non scart input this can be
converted with an inexpensive adaptor. Am I missing something ?

Will let you know how I get on.
Thanks,
Garry

Graham Hughes said:
Hello, just popping in :)

To get the best as Wojo says you need to connect the vhs to a convertor
which will output dv-avi files and this has to be done using a firewire
connection to the pc. The better quality makes will also use tbc, which is
time base correction, this will keep the audio and video in sync. When you
capture them seperately the video card often processes the video and the
audio card the audio signal. As these work at different clock cycles you end
up with audio drift over time.
If you are UK based then PC World is not the best place to go, they have
lots of usb based products and often they are next ot useless.
Check out these two makes, superb quality, at a higher price, but one of
only two options to get the quality you say you want.
http://www.canopus-uk.com/US/products/ADVC_selection_guide/pm_advc_selection.asp
http://www.miglia.com/products/video/director2/index.html
http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/av_digitisers.html

The other option si to get a minidv camcorder which has analogue in.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Wojo said:
Hi Garry
I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog myself I am
not sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will chime in here
as this is more his area than mine.

First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle. It is a
piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via firewire and
is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and convert them
to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends but the
name of it slips my mind at the moment.

Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI using a USB
connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.

Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not sure if
I can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain that
either Graham or papajohn can.
-Wojo

Garry said:
Hi Wojo,
Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you presented
but
I'm still having difficulty.
1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to input
an
analogue signal.
2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell external
devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have
USB
connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for
internal
cards.
3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the
file
is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are reasonable
in
small inset but are very poor in full screen.
My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue
signal.
The second option is I think still the best option.
Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an AVI
file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could explain
the
Hauppage poor AVI quality.
Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external device
?
In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?

Can you shed any further insights.
Thanks again

Garry




:

Hi Garry,
Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB
connection.
So you really have three choices here.
1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
pass-through
and hook the VCR to that.
2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file
to
AVI.
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee

Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a
problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2
screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows
conversion
to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB
connection.
I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2
files. As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice
if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already,
you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with
Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device
? Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device
?

Hope you can help.


Garry

:

Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo


thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
:

Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for
analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into
Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an
AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to
this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee



hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my
computer
has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus
i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video.
What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator
v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem
to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my
movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video
capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on and
try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help
please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc
etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the
o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't
see
this
on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
message
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It
is
hard
to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly
lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was
perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire video.
Last
week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same
problems
(but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
 
G

Graham Hughes

No, the take 2 is a newer product and I didn't do too much research on the
links. It should be great, Colin is a very honest reviewer.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Garry said:
Hi Graham,

Thanks for those recomendations. I've checked out the websites and they
sound the business. I'm going to buy a "Take 2" device. The scart version
of
this is quoted at nearly a ?100 cheaper at ?293.75. Although both versions
get a 5 out of 5 rating in the SimplyDV review. I can't think of any
disadvantage of using the scart. Even if using a non scart input this can
be
converted with an inexpensive adaptor. Am I missing something ?

Will let you know how I get on.
Thanks,
Garry

Graham Hughes said:
Hello, just popping in :)

To get the best as Wojo says you need to connect the vhs to a convertor
which will output dv-avi files and this has to be done using a firewire
connection to the pc. The better quality makes will also use tbc, which
is
time base correction, this will keep the audio and video in sync. When
you
capture them seperately the video card often processes the video and the
audio card the audio signal. As these work at different clock cycles you
end
up with audio drift over time.
If you are UK based then PC World is not the best place to go, they have
lots of usb based products and often they are next ot useless.
Check out these two makes, superb quality, at a higher price, but one of
only two options to get the quality you say you want.
http://www.canopus-uk.com/US/products/ADVC_selection_guide/pm_advc_selection.asp
http://www.miglia.com/products/video/director2/index.html
http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/av_digitisers.html

The other option si to get a minidv camcorder which has analogue in.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Wojo said:
Hi Garry
I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog myself I
am
not sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will chime in
here
as this is more his area than mine.

First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle. It is
a
piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via firewire
and
is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and convert
them
to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends but the
name of it slips my mind at the moment.

Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI using a
USB
connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.

Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not sure
if
I can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain that
either Graham or papajohn can.
-Wojo

Hi Wojo,
Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you
presented
but
I'm still having difficulty.
1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to
input
an
analogue signal.
2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell
external
devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have
USB
connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for
internal
cards.
3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the
file
is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are
reasonable
in
small inset but are very poor in full screen.
My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue
signal.
The second option is I think still the best option.
Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an
AVI
file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could
explain
the
Hauppage poor AVI quality.
Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external
device
?
In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?

Can you shed any further insights.
Thanks again

Garry




:

Hi Garry,
Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB
connection.
So you really have three choices here.
1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
pass-through
and hook the VCR to that.
2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the
computer.
3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that
file
to
AVI.
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee

Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a
problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2
screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows
conversion
to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB
connection.
I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2
files. As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good
choice
if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one
already,
you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with
Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture
device
? Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb
device
?

Hope you can help.


Garry

:

Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo


thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
:

Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for
analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into
Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to
an
AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to
this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee



hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my
computer
has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd .
plus
i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video.
What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD
Creator
v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all
seem
to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to
my
movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video
capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on
and
try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help
please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
Ensure all other apps are off, include
firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes
etc
etc..
Defrag before capture.
Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on
the
o/s.
Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't
see
this
on
a
hi8
tape

Graham

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
message
Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting.
It
is
hard
to
explain
but
while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor,
the
picture
kind
of
fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than
squiggly
lines
actually.
The
weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off
of
VHS..both
about an
hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos
was
perfect
and
the
other
had the fading in and out throughout the entire
video.
Last
week,
I
was
capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same
problems
(but
I
didn't
go
as far as putting it on a DVD).
 
G

Guest

Hi Graham,
The Miglia unit arrived in the post today and I've run some old vhs video
through it and captured it on wmm2 as an avi file. The file sizes are hugh.
Every 5 minutes of footage takes over 2GB. I can buy more storage but the
quality of the files is still not what I'd like. Compared to the wwv files I
created previously the picture is sharper particularly in lower light scenes
but the the picture is still has a horizontal grainyness. At times colours
blend and the sound goes warbled. Is there any adjustments I can make to
increase the quality.
Thanks,
Garry


Graham Hughes said:
No, the take 2 is a newer product and I didn't do too much research on the
links. It should be great, Colin is a very honest reviewer.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Garry said:
Hi Graham,

Thanks for those recomendations. I've checked out the websites and they
sound the business. I'm going to buy a "Take 2" device. The scart version
of
this is quoted at nearly a ?100 cheaper at ?293.75. Although both versions
get a 5 out of 5 rating in the SimplyDV review. I can't think of any
disadvantage of using the scart. Even if using a non scart input this can
be
converted with an inexpensive adaptor. Am I missing something ?

Will let you know how I get on.
Thanks,
Garry

Graham Hughes said:
Hello, just popping in :)

To get the best as Wojo says you need to connect the vhs to a convertor
which will output dv-avi files and this has to be done using a firewire
connection to the pc. The better quality makes will also use tbc, which
is
time base correction, this will keep the audio and video in sync. When
you
capture them seperately the video card often processes the video and the
audio card the audio signal. As these work at different clock cycles you
end
up with audio drift over time.
If you are UK based then PC World is not the best place to go, they have
lots of usb based products and often they are next ot useless.
Check out these two makes, superb quality, at a higher price, but one of
only two options to get the quality you say you want.
http://www.canopus-uk.com/US/products/ADVC_selection_guide/pm_advc_selection.asp
http://www.miglia.com/products/video/director2/index.html
http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/av_digitisers.html

The other option si to get a minidv camcorder which has analogue in.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Hi Garry
I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog myself I
am
not sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will chime in
here
as this is more his area than mine.

First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle. It is
a
piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via firewire
and
is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and convert
them
to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends but the
name of it slips my mind at the moment.

Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI using a
USB
connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.

Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not sure
if
I can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain that
either Graham or papajohn can.
-Wojo

Hi Wojo,
Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you
presented
but
I'm still having difficulty.
1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to
input
an
analogue signal.
2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell
external
devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have
USB
connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for
internal
cards.
3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the
file
is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are
reasonable
in
small inset but are very poor in full screen.
My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue
signal.
The second option is I think still the best option.
Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an
AVI
file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could
explain
the
Hauppage poor AVI quality.
Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external
device
?
In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?

Can you shed any further insights.
Thanks again

Garry




:

Hi Garry,
Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB
connection.
So you really have three choices here.
1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
pass-through
and hook the VCR to that.
2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the
computer.
3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that
file
to
AVI.
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee

Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a
problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2
screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows
conversion
to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB
connection.
I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2
files. As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good
choice
if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one
already,
you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with
Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture
device
? Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb
device
?

Hope you can help.


Garry

:

Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo


thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
:

Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for
analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into
Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to
an
AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to
this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee



hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my
computer
has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd .
plus
i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video.
What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD
Creator
v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all
seem
to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging




helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to
my
movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video
capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned on
and
try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help
please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
 
G

Graham Hughes

It's converting the file to a dv-avi file, which is that big.
After capturing to the tv, do a little edit, and send back to the cam and
play on the tv. This is the only way to test it, as the video is interlaced
and the pc doesn't show interlaced, so you may get horizontal banding, as it
shows two lines at once instead of alternate ones. WMV files are
progressive, not interlced so will look better on pc, but worse on tv.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Garry said:
Hi Graham,
The Miglia unit arrived in the post today and I've run some old vhs video
through it and captured it on wmm2 as an avi file. The file sizes are
hugh.
Every 5 minutes of footage takes over 2GB. I can buy more storage but the
quality of the files is still not what I'd like. Compared to the wwv files
I
created previously the picture is sharper particularly in lower light
scenes
but the the picture is still has a horizontal grainyness. At times colours
blend and the sound goes warbled. Is there any adjustments I can make to
increase the quality.
Thanks,
Garry


Graham Hughes said:
No, the take 2 is a newer product and I didn't do too much research on
the
links. It should be great, Colin is a very honest reviewer.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Garry said:
Hi Graham,

Thanks for those recomendations. I've checked out the websites and they
sound the business. I'm going to buy a "Take 2" device. The scart
version
of
this is quoted at nearly a ?100 cheaper at ?293.75. Although both
versions
get a 5 out of 5 rating in the SimplyDV review. I can't think of any
disadvantage of using the scart. Even if using a non scart input this
can
be
converted with an inexpensive adaptor. Am I missing something ?

Will let you know how I get on.
Thanks,
Garry

:

Hello, just popping in :)

To get the best as Wojo says you need to connect the vhs to a
convertor
which will output dv-avi files and this has to be done using a
firewire
connection to the pc. The better quality makes will also use tbc,
which
is
time base correction, this will keep the audio and video in sync. When
you
capture them seperately the video card often processes the video and
the
audio card the audio signal. As these work at different clock cycles
you
end
up with audio drift over time.
If you are UK based then PC World is not the best place to go, they
have
lots of usb based products and often they are next ot useless.
Check out these two makes, superb quality, at a higher price, but one
of
only two options to get the quality you say you want.
http://www.canopus-uk.com/US/products/ADVC_selection_guide/pm_advc_selection.asp
http://www.miglia.com/products/video/director2/index.html
http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/av_digitisers.html

The other option si to get a minidv camcorder which has analogue in.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Hi Garry
I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog myself
I
am
not sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will chime
in
here
as this is more his area than mine.

First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle. It
is
a
piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via
firewire
and
is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and
convert
them
to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends but
the
name of it slips my mind at the moment.

Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI using
a
USB
connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.

Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not
sure
if
I can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain
that
either Graham or papajohn can.
-Wojo

Hi Wojo,
Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you
presented
but
I'm still having difficulty.
1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to
input
an
analogue signal.
2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell
external
devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all
have
USB
connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for
internal
cards.
3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of
the
file
is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are
reasonable
in
small inset but are very poor in full screen.
My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the
analogue
signal.
The second option is I think still the best option.
Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import
an
AVI
file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could
explain
the
Hauppage poor AVI quality.
Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external
device
?
In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?

Can you shed any further insights.
Thanks again

Garry




:

Hi Garry,
Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB
connection.
So you really have three choices here.
1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
pass-through
and hook the VCR to that.
2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the
computer.
3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that
file
to
AVI.
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee

Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a
problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The
MM2
screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows
conversion
to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB
connection.
I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2
files. As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good
choice
if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one
already,
you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align
with
Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture
device
? Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb
device
?

Hope you can help.


Garry

:

Awesome, Happy editing!
-Wojo


thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
degefu
:

Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works
for
analog
capture
but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video
into
Movie
Maker
then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file
to
an
AVI
file.
Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go
to
this
site:
http://www.videohelp.com/convert
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee



hello Cari,
thanks for replying to my post...
i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my
computer
has,
but
i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd .
plus
i
coundn't
be
able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it
was
captured
is
not
the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
thanks for ur help again
degefu
:

Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog
video.
What
kind
of
software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD
Creator
v2,
PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and
all
seem
to
work
fine.

--
Cari (MS-MVP)
Printing & Imaging



message

helloGrham,
i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr]
to
my
movie
maker
but when i hit capture from video device, it
says,"video
capture
device
is
not detected check the device is connected and turned
on
and
try
again". i
tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any
help
please?
degefu
:

Thanks Graham! I hope this works...

:

Basics then.
 
G

Guest

Hi Graham,

I'm getting 22 minutes of footage on a 4.7 Gb file. That over 1Gb for every
5 mins - half what I indicated before but still hugh.
The only way I could play the file back throught the TV was to convert an
AVI file to a VOB format using NeoDvd software. I saved this to a DVD-r. The
grainyness in the AVI file viewed on the PC does not appear in the VOB video
format when run back through the telly. I dont understand fully what
progressive and interlacing mean. Where can I find out more on this ?

The VOB is more compressed. I estimate that I could get 75 to 80 mins on a
4.7Gb DVD. I want to convert and store large amounts of analogue video as
source material for editing home movies featuring different people in the
family. The VOB file is more compressed but is it converabile back to AVI for
editing and is there quality loss.

Thanks

Garry
 
G

Graham Hughes

In line

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


Garry said:
Hi Graham,

I'm getting 22 minutes of footage on a 4.7 Gb file. That over 1Gb for
every
5 mins - half what I indicated before but still hugh.
The only way I could play the file back throught the TV was to convert an
AVI file to a VOB format using NeoDvd software. I saved this to a DVD-r.
The
grainyness in the AVI file viewed on the PC does not appear in the VOB
video
format when run back through the telly. I dont understand fully what
progressive and interlacing mean. Where can I find out more on this ?

A normal picture is made up of two sets of lines, odd and even, so the tv
displays all the even lines and tehn all the odd lines. This is so fast the
naked eye can't tell, but actually makes the picture appear to run more
smoothly. Try this site, http://www.adamwilt.com/
The VOB is more compressed. I estimate that I could get 75 to 80 mins on a
4.7Gb DVD.
The more you put on the lower the quality, thre wil come a point when you
decide the amount of data stored meets the lowest quality you want. A real
good encoder would fit many hours on one dvd, but whether you would classify
it as watchable is a different matter :)


I want to convert and store large amounts of analogue video as
source material for editing home movies featuring different people in the
family. The VOB file is more compressed but is it converabile back to AVI
for
editing and is there quality loss.

Each compression will result in quality loss. If you've ever worked on still
pictures, when you save a jpeg it compresses the file and you get a smaller
version. If you work on this jpeg and save it as a jpeg again it will
recompress teh file and it will lose quality and get a fraction smaller, the
more you do it the worse the quality gets. It's the same with mpegs.

Graham
 

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