Can't see very simple HTML pages with Norton Internet Security!!!!!

[ray]

Predictable reply from a Linux person?

I've used Redhat, SuSE and Fedora Core, all in anger. WE don't have any
Linux machines here any more -- just Macs and our Windows servers.

When? Certainly not within the last year or two or you would know that
Adobe now has a Linux 'flash' plugin available from it's website.

Under the hood yes, but what user should care about that? None. It's not
relevant. Do you know what software my TV runs? No. Because you don't
need to know.

Most users should care because it reflects immediately on both security
and stability. What good does it do to have the 'best' software in the
world that cost you hundreds of dollars if the machine keeps crashing.

And you cannot hold up ANY Linux UI against Tiger.

Sure I can. Any of a dozen or more.

When will people wake up!? Computers are a means to an end. Who cares if
it's Linux, Windows or OS X. It has to be fit for purpose, do what it's
supposed to do.

Exactly. And I maintain that MS is not fit for the job for the average
users for two reasons (both ameleorated by running Linux) - it costs too
much (plus the several hundred dollars you need to make it productive) and
it takes too much admin time to keep it running safely.

 

[SpaceGirl]

When? Certainly not within the last year or two or you would know that
Adobe now has a Linux 'flash' plugin available from it's website.

That's the Flash Player, love. Not Flash itself. If you actually want to
create Flash on Linux you're screwed.

Most users should care because it reflects immediately on both security
and stability. What good does it do to have the 'best' software in the
world that cost you hundreds of dollars if the machine keeps crashing.

No they shouldn't Do you need to know how your car works to drive it?

Sure I can. Any of a dozen or more.

Name one that even comes close.

Exactly. And I maintain that MS is not fit for the job for the average
users for two reasons (both ameleorated by running Linux) - it costs too
much (plus the several hundred dollars you need to make it productive) and
it takes too much admin time to keep it running safely.

I agree with that!


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[SpaceGirl]

If I were much into 'flash' I guess I'd download the Linux Flash plugin
which is available from Adobe.


You're quite right. It's incredibly hard to find Linux support. It takes
all the effort of posting a query to the appropriate news group - as
opposed to all the wonderful free support you get from MS.



There are a number of varied reasons why an individual might prefer to use
MS over Linux. There are also a number of reasons why an individual might
prefer to use Linux over MS. The categorical denial that "Linux is not
ready for the desktop" is not a valid one. It is B.S. I can make a MUCH
better argument that MS is not ready for the internet.

I give up.


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[inez]

When will people wake up!? Computers are a means to an end. Who cares if
it's Linux, Windows or OS X. It has to be fit for purpose, do what it's
supposed to do.

That's me all over. To me it's a tool and the simpler, safer and more
foolproof its technology is the better because I don't want to deal with it.
That's why I miss my old Mac OS

I know there are techies who care more about the guts & programming, but
real world computers have to work and interface for the rest of us without,
sans l'hassle.

 

[ray]

That's the Flash Player, love. Not Flash itself. If you actually want to
create Flash on Linux you're screwed.

That's OK, dearie. I don't want to. BTW what part of "there are good
reasons for selecting one OS over the other" is it that you don't get?

No they shouldn't Do you need to know how your car works to drive it?

That depends on whether I need to fix it on a daily basis.

Name one that even comes close.

My opinion will probably be different from yours - I happen to think
gnome, xfce, and enlightenment are perfectly acceptable.

 

[SpaceGirl]

That's OK, dearie. I don't want to. BTW what part of "there are good
reasons for selecting one OS over the other" is it that you don't get?

There are plenty of good reasons why I WOULD recommend Linux for some
types of users; but casual users or inexperienced user... Linux isn't
ready. For lots of reasons. Basic examples being, say if the user wanted
to use broadband internet, chances are no drivers for their modem (at
least, none that come with the modem). No games to speak of. No tools
like iMovie or Windows Movie Maker. None of the linux distros I used had
any sort of photo management built in (Windows has mediocre support, OS
X has the excellent iPhoto). Also very little chance they will know
anyone who can help them fix their computer if it goes wrong, or them
being able to find a shop that will repair the install should anything
break. Yes you can find online support, but that's not much good if your
computer is broken is it? The list goes on and on... Linux simply is NOT
ready for the average user, and it's some years away from being ready.

That depends on whether I need to fix it on a daily basis.


My opinion will probably be different from yours - I happen to think
gnome, xfce, and enlightenment are perfectly acceptable.

For an experienced computer person yes. All great programs.

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[Guest]

That depends on whether I need to fix it on a daily basis.

why would anyone want to use something, regardless of what it is, that
needs to be fixed on a daily basis?

 

[ray]

why would anyone want to use something, regardless of what it is, that
needs to be fixed on a daily basis?

You'd have to ask all the folks running MS

 

[ray]

There are plenty of good reasons why I WOULD recommend Linux for some
types of users; but casual users or inexperienced user... Linux isn't
ready. For lots of reasons. Basic examples being, say if the user wanted
to use broadband internet, chances are no drivers for their modem (at
least, none that come with the modem).

As you evidently don't know, most modern broadband setups today supply a
modem/router with an ethernet connection. It is a simple matter of
starting the computer and using a browser to access and setup the
modem/router and the process is essentially the same for MS, MAC and Linux.

No games to speak of.

That's what they make game consoles for.

No tools
like iMovie or Windows Movie Maker. None of the linux distros I used had
any sort of photo management built in (Windows has mediocre support, OS
X has the excellent iPhoto).

You don't know what you are talking about. There are several such systems
available with almost every major Linux distribution.

Also very little chance they will know
anyone who can help them fix their computer if it goes wrong, or them
being able to find a shop that will repair the install should anything
break.

The kicker being, of course, that it does not break.

Yes you can find online support, but that's not much good if
your computer is broken is it?

Would seem like a compelling reason to start a LUG.

The list goes on and on... Linux simply
is NOT ready for the average user, and it's some years away from being
ready.

That's your opinion, unsubstantiated by facts. My opinion, backed by 24000
free software packages and over two years of experience with a Linux setup
for public internet access is contrary to that. If I had not seen with my
own eyes eight linux seats running unattended for public internet access
at the local library with zero complaints for over two years, I might see
your point - but it is totally irrational.

 

[Guest]

That's your opinion, unsubstantiated by facts. My opinion, backed by 24000
free software packages and over two years of experience with a Linux setup
for public internet access is contrary to that. If I had not seen with my
own eyes eight linux seats running unattended for public internet access
at the local library with zero complaints for over two years, I might see
your point - but it is totally irrational.

running a public internet access terminal is hardly the same thing as
making inroads into the mainstream desktop market.

wake me up when there's a linux version of adobe creative suite (since
this is crossposted to a photo newsgroup). or linux support for garmin
gps or apple's itunes music store. or many others.

 

[EOS]

Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!

I've just spent a few days trying to do something really simple, and
I'm furious!!!!

I took some pictures on the weekend, and downloaded Web Picture
Creator 1.8.
Let's put them on my new domain I thought. Yeah right.

Web Picture Creator 1.8 worked easily enough. After I cleared out
some space.
(turned that my hard drive was bad, and that wasted enough hours!)

Then I uploaded everything to my domain. The web page loaded.
But I can't see the pictures.

I call the ISP. They can see the pictures. Hmm!

The Norton logs say:

Content Blocked:

Date Time: 4/3/2007 2:38:55 PM
User:
Action: Blocked
Type: Ad
URL:http://www.?domain?.com/?directory?/index.html
Data: IMG src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0973.JPG" (Reason: width=120
height=80)

I call Norton and finally get someone in India.

Turn off ad blocking, and popup blocking. It works.
So, Norton is the culprit.

Norton Internet Security
Status and settings,
Privacy control
Configure
Advanced
Ad blocking

Spend about 2 hours with Norton on the phone.
The guy's solution: reinstall!

I say No way. Send the expert.

Eventually get a call back later from Symantec. The brains this
time.

We install TeamView. From:http://www.dyngate.com/licensing/
It allows him to see my machine.

He checks the webpage at:

http://validator.w3.org/

Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an
SGML parser.

Error Line 15 column 162: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
...DSC_0961.JPG" width="120" height="80"></a></div></td>The attribute
given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have
omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the
"type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt"
attribute is required for the "img" element.

Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/
javascript" for <script>.

It says that the problem is that the website is missing the > sign
after: height="80"

Norton interprets this as a potential problem.

I change the HTML To:

<tr>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0961.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0962.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>

But, I still have problems!!!! I still can't see the images.

But the guy at my ISP can. And my friends can.

But if that's not enough, get this!!!!

Now, after I refresh the webpage, major parts of the HTML don't even
come back in the browser!!!

<tr>

<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"> </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"> </a></div></td>

The whole IMG tag is now missing!!!!
The guy at my ISP can see it.
But it does not get through the Norton on my machine!

I can understand some kinds of strange code. But this is just pure
very simple HTML code. No java, javascript, asp, etc.

Can you believe it?????

I've spent at least 5 hours trying to deal with this!!!!

What is a better security system than Norton????

yeah, switch to mac and never install a "security" app. Just be smart
with what you let in.

 

[SpaceGirl]

As you evidently don't know, most modern broadband setups today supply a
modem/router with an ethernet connection. It is a simple matter of
starting the computer and using a browser to access and setup the
modem/router and the process is essentially the same for MS, MAC and Linux.

Nope. Not most ADSL ones. They're generally USB connected. At least hear
in the UK.

That's what they make game consoles for.

Tell that to all the video cames houses that still make PC games. Or the
8 million World of Warcraft subscribers (PC and Mac only).

You don't know what you are talking about. There are several such systems
available with almost every major Linux distribution.

Are you REALLY comparing? So I could take my camcorder to a generic
Linux install anywhere and simply plug it in and record? Dream on. No
installations. No drivers. Just works.

The kicker being, of course, that it does not break.

Once it's been setup. I'm not kicking Linux reliability here at all,
don't get me wrong. This is purely about usability.

Would seem like a compelling reason to start a LUG.

Agreed, but that's hardly going to help someone who does an install today.

That's your opinion, unsubstantiated by facts. My opinion, backed by 24000

My opinion, as a professional user interface design, graphic designer
and computer user.

free software packages and over two years of experience with a Linux setup
for public internet access is contrary to that. If I had not seen with my
own eyes eight linux seats running unattended for public internet access
at the local library with zero complaints for over two years, I might see
your point - but it is totally irrational.

Probably because of the environment? Your demographic?

1) Maybe they don't know any better
2) Public place, it's free, not likely to complain are they
3) All they are doing is looking up information, yes?

Plop an average 15 year old in front of one and see if they agree with
you. Sit your mother in front of one and give her an install disk for a
random application, see if she manages. Then try with Windows.


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[ray]

Nope. Not most ADSL ones. They're generally USB connected. At least hear
in the UK.



Tell that to all the video cames houses that still make PC games. Or the
8 million World of Warcraft subscribers (PC and Mac only).


Are you REALLY comparing? So I could take my camcorder to a generic
Linux install anywhere and simply plug it in and record? Dream on. No
installations. No drivers. Just works.


Once it's been setup. I'm not kicking Linux reliability here at all,
don't get me wrong. This is purely about usability.

OK - you've just contradicted yourself in one paragraph. Is it about setup
or is it about usability? I can understand why some folks might have a
little difficulty setting up Linux. Once it is set up it is no more
difficult to USE than MS or MAC - just a little different.

Agreed, but that's hardly going to help someone who does an install today.


My opinion, as a professional user interface design, graphic designer
and computer user.


Probably because of the environment? Your demographic?

1) Maybe they don't know any better
2) Public place, it's free, not likely to complain are they

Haven't been to a library lately, have you. The patrons generally complain
about all sorts of things. They complain about the one hour session limits
- they complain about the internet filter - but they don't complain about
how the computers work.

3) All they are doing is looking up information, yes?

Yes. Looking up information, surfing the internet, using the office apps,
editing photos, doing geneology . . .

Plop an average 15 year old in front of one and see if they agree with
you. Sit your mother in front of one and give her an install disk for a
random application, see if she manages. Then try with Windows.

As a matter of fact they computers are usually totally busy from shortly
after school is out until the library closes. Lots of teenagers. They
flock to the place - for one thing, it's a challenge to them to see if
they can break things - so far they have not been able to. BTW - they play
online games etc. and still no complaints.

I'd be happy to sit my mother in front of one, but she died last
September. If you give me a person unfamiliar with Linux and also
unfamiliar with MS, I'd be happy to perform the test - oh, that's right,
I've already done that. Linux is no more difficult to use than MS or MAC -
it's just a little different.

 

[Jim Ford]

Once it's been setup. I'm not kicking Linux reliability here at all,
don't get me wrong. This is purely about usability.

Ah yes, that reminds me:

A couple of weeks ago I visited the Geological Museum in London. It was
nice to see that since my last visit many years ago, they've embraced
modern technology. The problem was, they'd embraced the wrong OS. There
were at least six terminals running W2000 or XP (I didn't bother looking
closer) - and they'd all crashed! None that I saw were working - IIRC
they all had exception faults.

'Usability', in this case - 0%!

Jim Ford

 

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

Ah yes, that reminds me:

A couple of weeks ago I visited the Geological Museum in London. It was
nice to see that since my last visit many years ago, they've embraced
modern technology. The problem was, they'd embraced the wrong OS. There
were at least six terminals running W2000 or XP (I didn't bother looking
closer) - and they'd all crashed! None that I saw were working - IIRC
they all had exception faults.

'Usability', in this case - 0%!

Jim Ford

Actually in that case they were probably Windows ME. LOL

Seriously though, system crashes are normally caused by faulty, shit
grade, factory seconds hardware (like the kind they package in Dells).
If you buy GOOD hardware for your system...mmm...it's not gonna
crash...pretty much ever.

....in fact does XP even have the blue screen of death? *shrugs*
Well, if it does, I've never seen it on my system...but then my system
never crashes.

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Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

 

[Henry Schmidt]

Ac<Diaperboi babbles and give wrong advice again on web$hit>

Fat Diaperb1tch, I thought yer dead diapergranny ghost told you to STFU.
Listen to the petrified b1tch.

 

[Onideus Mad Hatter]

<Ray runs away>

Has anyone else besides me noticed that Ray keeps dropping arguments?
It's like he keeps getting bitch slapped left and right, but then he
just snips/drops those portions of the post, pretends they never
happened and then starts babbling the **** on some other failing
point...each one more failing and desperate than the last. I mean,
even *IF* by some chance miracle he DID manage to formulate a coherent
point...well it REALLY doesn't make up for the DOZENS of counter
points that the retard already ran away from.

Ray really does represent everything that's wrong with your average
Linux user.

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Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

 

[Henry Schmidt]

<Diaperboi licks ray's as$again>

Diaperboi can't you for once pretend to be hetero?

 

[suraku]

Norton! What a pain in the butt!!!

I've just spent a few days trying to do something really simple, and
I'm furious!!!!

I took some pictures on the weekend, and downloaded Web Picture
Creator 1.8.
Let's put them on my new domain I thought. Yeah right.

Web Picture Creator 1.8 worked easily enough. After I cleared out
some space.
(turned that my hard drive was bad, and that wasted enough hours!)

Then I uploaded everything to my domain. The web page loaded.
But I can't see the pictures.

I call the ISP. They can see the pictures. Hmm!

The Norton logs say:

Content Blocked:

Date Time: 4/3/2007 2:38:55 PM
User:
Action: Blocked
Type: Ad
URL:http://www.?domain?.com/?directory?/index.html
Data: IMG src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0973.JPG" (Reason: width=120
height=80)

I call Norton and finally get someone in India.

Turn off ad blocking, and popup blocking. It works.
So, Norton is the culprit.

Norton Internet Security
Status and settings,
Privacy control
Configure
Advanced
Ad blocking

Spend about 2 hours with Norton on the phone.
The guy's solution: reinstall!

I say No way. Send the expert.

Eventually get a call back later from Symantec. The brains this
time.

We install TeamView. From:http://www.dyngate.com/licensing/
It allows him to see my machine.

He checks the webpage at:

http://validator.w3.org/

Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an
SGML parser.

Error Line 15 column 162: required attribute "ALT" not specified.
...DSC_0961.JPG" width="120" height="80"></a></div></td>The attribute
given above is required for an element that you've used, but you have
omitted it. For instance, in most HTML and XHTML document types the
"type" attribute is required on the "script" element and the "alt"
attribute is required for the "img" element.

Typical values for type are type="text/css" for <style> and type="text/
javascript" for <script>.

It says that the problem is that the website is missing the > sign
after: height="80"

Norton interprets this as a potential problem.

I change the HTML To:

<tr>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0961.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"><img class="thumb" src="thumbnails/thumb_DSC_0962.JPG"
width="120" height="80" alt="picture" > </a></div></td>

But, I still have problems!!!! I still can't see the images.

But the guy at my ISP can. And my friends can.

But if that's not enough, get this!!!!

Now, after I refresh the webpage, major parts of the HTML don't even
come back in the browser!!!

<tr>

<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0961.html"> </a></div></td>
<td valign="top" width="120"><div align="center"><a href="photos/
DSC_0962.html"> </a></div></td>

The whole IMG tag is now missing!!!!
The guy at my ISP can see it.
But it does not get through the Norton on my machine!

I can understand some kinds of strange code. But this is just pure
very simple HTML code. No java, javascript, asp, etc.

Can you believe it?????

I've spent at least 5 hours trying to deal with this!!!!

What is a better security system than Norton????

Norton has become retarded here lately I have heard many similar
stories, typically i recommend kaspersky antivirus/firewall, basically
because it listens and actually does a better job of detecting any
virus that attacks your machine. after fighting with norton and mcafee
to try to do vpn transfers and neither wanting to allow the connection
i tried kaspersky at a friends recommendation and 1st try it goes:
this could let someone mess with your system do you want to continue
click yes and it learns that yes i want to do this..... i have never
had to repeat myself if i click yes always allow this.

 

[SpaceGirl]

No reply?

OK - you've just contradicted yourself in one paragraph. Is it about setup
or is it about usability? I can understand why some folks might have a
little difficulty setting up Linux. Once it is set up it is no more
difficult to USE than MS or MAC - just a little different.

Usability involves setup too, you know. How easy is it to setup Linux?
This is a usability issue too.

If a user wants to add or change something on their computer, is is a
LOT harder under Linux. But if all they do is surf and email, then
most OS's are much the same.

Haven't been to a library lately, have you. The patrons generally complain
about all sorts of things. They complain about the one hour session limits
- they complain about the internet filter - but they don't complain about
how the computers work.

Because of the types of people to visit a library. Imagine trying to
use Linux in a cybercafe!

Yes. Looking up information, surfing the internet, using the office apps,
editing photos, doing geneology . . .

You're short-changing your poor users. You could very simply provide
them a FAR better experience if you stop thinking like a techie, and
start thinking more like a user.

As a matter of fact they computers are usually totally busy from shortly
after school is out until the library closes. Lots of teenagers. They
flock to the place - for one thing, it's a challenge to them to see if
they can break things - so far they have not been able to. BTW - they play
online games etc. and still no complaints.

You clearly have no clue what goes on in the real world beyond the
doors of your library. The Internet is a media rich place with all
kinds of services running over it. You're cutting your users off from
a lot of this.

I'd be happy to sit my mother in front of one, but she died last
September.

I'm sorry. No disrespect meant, it was just an example.

If you give me a person unfamiliar with Linux and also
unfamiliar with MS, I'd be happy to perform the test - oh, that's right,
I've already done that. Linux is no more difficult to use than MS or MAC -
it's just a little different.

I don't believe you. I really wish we could sit down and prove this!
But there you go.