Canon or Epson ? CIS KITS

[Wayne]

I've been using Canon with WeInk CIS kits for the last several years. It's
my understanding now that all new Canon machines come with smart chips so
you can't run a CIS kit anymore. Does this leave me with no choice but to
go to Epson? I need several reliable fast units, with a continuous ink
systems that I will be using daily. I've always had the Canon machines with
CMYK inks only and if I can avoid it, I don't want to move to machines that
have 5, 6, 7, or 8 ink tanks!

Recommendations ?

 

[Yianni]

Canon i6500 (notice not iP series but i series)

--

 

[measekite]

I've been using Canon with WeInk CIS kits for the last several years. It's
my understanding now that all new Canon machines come with smart chips so
you can't run a CIS kit anymore. Does this leave me with no choice but to
go to Epson? I need several reliable fast units, with a continuous ink
systems that I will be using daily. I've always had the Canon machines with
CMYK inks only and if I can avoid it, I don't want to move to machines that
have 5, 6, 7, or 8 ink tanks!

Recommendations ?

YOU HAVE BEEN GETTING SCREWED ON PRICE AND QUALITY FOR A LONG TIME.
HOORAY FOR CANON.

 

[zakezuke]

Does this leave me with no choice but to go to Epson?

Presently you need the chips which according to my photographs are
located on the locking handels of the cartridge. If you can remove an
OEM chip and place it on the cartridge this may work... but keep in
mind i've not done this.

My other idea which has only been tested and failed by one person is
setting the printer for Japan mode where they use bci-7s. In this mode
they reject cli-8s and ask for bci-7s, but bci-6s someone tested were
also rejected for some reason.

I've always had the Canon machines with
CMYK inks only and if I can avoid it, I don't want to move to machines that
have 5, 6, 7, or 8 ink tanks!

5 tanks is the minimal option, that's two blacks and cmy. The highest
end printer you can go with a supported cis is the ip5000, though the
ip4000 is nothing to sneeze at. If you must have 4 tanks, there is the
ip3000 you can ebay for the $100 range, about as much as a current
ip4200. You should be cool with 4 CIS tanks as the bci-6 black doesn't
get used very often... as in I replace mine on my mp760 after the 3rd
or 4th cartridge change of the colors.

 

[Wayne]

Could I ask you some more questions so I understand ?

Subject: Re: Canon or Epson ? CIS KITS

My other idea which has only been tested and failed by one person is
setting the printer for Japan mode where they use bci-7s. In this mode
they reject cli-8s and ask for bci-7s, but bci-6s someone tested were
also rejected for some reason. How do one go about setting it in

Japan mode? Not sure I understand this ... cli-8s ? bci-7s ? Whats
all that about? What is Japan mode .. what does it do ?

5 tanks is the minimal option, that's two blacks and cmy. The highest
end printer you can go with a supported cis is the ip5000, though the
ip4000 is nothing to sneeze at. If you must have 4 tanks, there is the
ip3000 you can ebay for the $100 range, about as much as a current
ip4200. You should be cool with 4 CIS tanks as the bci-6 black doesn't
get used very often... as in I replace mine on my mp760 after the 3rd
or 4th cartridge change of the colors. Are you saying you can run a

CIS in a 4200 machine ( no smart chips ) and only use 4 tanks .. leave
the one black tank out?

 

[Wayne]

What are you trying to tell me about the Canon i6500 ???

 

[Prime]

YOU HAVE BEEN GETTING SCREWED ON PRICE AND QUALITY FOR A LONG TIME.
HOORAY FOR CANON.

If you like Canon so much then why are you buying Costco paper?

 

[zakezuke]

Japan mode? Not sure I understand this ... cli-8s ? bci-7s ? Whats

all that about? What is Japan mode .. what does it do ?

Righto, first of all canon makes a printer, a physical printer. There
are at least three major markets... North America (letter paper)
Europe (a4 paper) and Japan (a4 test market).

-bci-7-
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos...38456/sr=5-1/ref=sr_5_2_1/250-0493249-2157847
-closeup image-
http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/B00065FVUI.09.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

BCI-7 is just like bci-6, what you likely use for your current canon,
except with Chromalife-100 ink. Japan simply put got the ink sooner,
last year if not earlier.


http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/B0007V1USI.09.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

What I wasn't understanding is the new pixus ip4200, the japanese model
clearly takes the bci-7e rather than the cli-8, what the US model
takes. bci-7e is the same bloody thing as cli-8 but with the chips.
This would explain why one one person set their printer to be Japanese
it refused to accept cli-8 cartridges, and refused to accept bci-6
cartridges. It was looking for the chip, the japanese one.

What I was talking about is the fact you can tell the printer which
market it's in, and in doing so inable features. For example telling
any ip4000 or even ip4200 it's Japanese or European enables CD
printing. I thought one could diable chip detection because bci-7s
were used in the pixus series, but I was unaware of the bci-7e, the
chipped version.

Simply put, Japan gets stuff earlier as they are a test market. They
got the newer ink first, and the ip4000 took the newer ink. For
European models, they had their own mode with CD printing enabled,
North American this feature was disabled. Exact same printer, one
change in the settings to reflect where it's going, the destination.

CIS in a 4200 machine ( no smart chips ) and only use 4 tanks .. leave
the one black tank out?

Look, I'm not going to pretend i've done those, nor know anyone who has
actually done this. But take the time to look at the bci-6 vs the
cli-8, the chipped cartridges in the ip4200.
-German page-
http://www.druckerchannel.de/artikel.php?ID=1154
-Large Image-
http://www.druckerchannel.de/cache_...chwer_LOCf310297c7baab64b4760340a9678c12d.jpg

Now according to what I've read, to print you need cartridges with
chips, even if you refill a cli-8 with a chip you can print with it.
You get a warning, the metering gets disabled, but you can print with
it. The trick I believe would be removal of the chips and placing them
in such a way on existing takes, or drilling out holes in OEM tanks and
routing tubes for your CIS. Again... I've not done this, but look for
your self... seems a reasonable hypothesis. But if you don't want to
monkey with such things, buy a ip5000. No chips, 1pl printhead, no
worries. Or go ip4000, pretty good no chip no worries. Or heck,
ip3000, no extra black, no worries.

As far as the small black... well it sucks that you don't have it but
since it's not used as much as the other cartridges, you can get away
with refilling it or buying new ones as, at least in my personal
experence about 40ml of regular ink is used to 13ml of the small black.
This isn't "great" but isn't bad.

 

[Wayne]

And is this a machine I can run in North America? A3 size is ... 11X17
inches?

How old is this machine ... when was it introduced?
Can I order one and convert the voltage to run it in North America?

 

[Martin]

I've been using Canon with WeInk CIS kits for the last several years. It's
my understanding now that all new Canon machines come with smart chips so
you can't run a CIS kit anymore. Does this leave me with no choice but to
go to Epson? I need several reliable fast units, with a continuous ink
systems that I will be using daily. I've always had the Canon machines with
CMYK inks only and if I can avoid it, I don't want to move to machines that
have 5, 6, 7, or 8 ink tanks!

Recommendations ?

I won't pretend to know much of what the others have discussed but if
you want to get any of the newer Canon printers to work IF they use
chipped cartridges, you are going to need to create something of a home
made CIS kit.

For example, I am waiting for my iP4200 and a set of compatible bulk
inks to arrive and I will then be converting an existing iP4000 CIS kit
from MIS Associates to use some chipped carts.

There will still be a few things to resolve like the way you have to
acknowledge warranty terms (ie: you lose your warranty) for the printer
but it should be pretty open and shut..

If you want to know more about how I tackle it, I've got a thread on it
here:
http://www.allthefaqs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3792


Hope it helps...

 

[Yianni]

Yes, it's at least 11 inches wide (or wider?). It's a bit older model (may
same as i560, i860 series, etc, models). But... I don't know if it's
available in all markets, in my country it's available, check the Canon site
for availability.

--

 

[Yianni]

What are you trying to tell me about the Canon i6500 ???
Just what you are looking for, a A3, 4-color printer, with no chipped
cartridges.

 

[measekite]

SO YOU LIKE GETTING SCREWED

I won't pretend to know much of what the others have discussed but if
you want to get any of the newer Canon printers to work IF they use
chipped cartridges, you are going to need to create something of a
home made CIS kit.

For example, I am waiting for my iP4200 and a set of compatible bulk
inks to arrive and I will then be converting an existing iP4000 CIS
kit from MIS Associates to use some chipped carts.

There will still be a few things to resolve like the way you have to
acknowledge warranty terms (ie: you lose your warranty) for the
printer but it should be pretty open and shut..

If you want to know more about how I tackle it, I've got a thread on
it here:
http://www.allthefaqs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3792


Hope it helps...

 

[Gary Tait]

SO YOU LIKE GETTING SCREWED

Better than getting screwed by the costs of OEM inks.

 

[measekite]

@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:




Better than getting screwed by the costs of OEM inks.

YOU CAN GET SCREWED WITHOUT A KISS

 

[Frank]

@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:




Better than getting screwed by the costs of OEM inks.

Oh that idiot meashershithead loves to be screwed. Problem is, he's
screwing himself!
Frank

 

[Wayne]

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ..

Is there something wrong with a Canon
and We Ink CIS setup?

 

[Prime]

Oh that idiot meashershithead loves to be screwed. Problem is, he's
screwing himself!
Frank

That's the only way for him to unclog his backside!

 

[Gary Tait]

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ..

Is there something wrong with a Canon
and We Ink CIS setup?

Generally not. I don't know enough about that particular system to say
anything one way or another.

Just ignore that all caps troll, it seems to think that there is some
problem with aftermarket inks as a whole, not supplying any emperical proof
of it's beliefs, while ignoring positive experiences of anybody, and
pointing at Aftermarket ink as the cause of any little problem, and OEM ink
as infallible.

 

[measekite]

@news20.bellglobal.com:

SOUNDS LIKE YOU ENJOY GETTING SCREWED

Generally not. I don't know enough about that particular system to say
anything one way or another.

I THINK THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT PRINTERS TO SAY ANYTHING EITHER

Just ignore that all caps troll, it seems to think that there is some
problem with aftermarket inks as a whole,

AS A HOLE IT OUGHT TO BE WIPED OUT

not supplying any emperical proof
of it's beliefs, while ignoring positive experiences of

IDIOTS LIARS AND MORONS WHO FULLY DO NOT DISCLOSE AND WANT TO SUPPORT MA
AND PA UNPROFESSIONIAL

anybody, and
pointing at Aftermarket ink as the cause of any little problem,

and OEM ink
as infallible.

NEVER SAID THAT