Can this be done?

[Nick Haury]

Is there a way to backup my system so as to get all the registry
setting for the programs that I have loaded and not window XP Home? I
want to install Windows XP Pro and then just restore all my programs and
the registry settings for them. I got a new machine that had all the
mother board programs and drives on it all ready. I looked at the
restore disk but all the programs for the MB are incorporated in the
restore program itself.
Nick

 

[Guest]

The 'registry' is an integral part of Windows.

To keep this intact and not have any Windows settings is as if one were to
keep the water in a bowl, but not keep the bowl!

If the new system has all your applications installed, then good use Files
and Settings Transfer to export from the old and import to the new. Save the
FAST file to your HDD and then copy off to a CD or DVD for the convenience of
this 2 step process.

If you don't have all the application so as to reinstall; then take the HDD
from the old machine and install it in place of the system drive in the new
machine.

Prior to this, make a list of all the devices you have installed and
download all the relevant drivers from the manufacturer's web site, copy them
to a CD.

Now do not boot up into Windows, but insert the 'old' Windows Home CD and
allow the system to boot off the CD. You will need to perform a repair
install to set the 'old' Windows HDD to the new motherboard etc.

You receive the following message on the Welcome to Setup screen that
appears:
This portion of the Setup program prepares Microsoft Windows XP to run on
your computer:

To setup Windows XP now, press ENTER.

To repair a Windows XP installation using Recovery Console, press R.

To quit Setup without installing Windows XP, press F3.

Press ENTER to set up Windows XP.

On the Windows XP Licensing Agreement screen, press F8 to agree to the
license agreement.

Make sure that your current installation of Windows XP is selected in the
box, and then press R to repair Windows XP.

After you repair Windows XP, you may have to reactivate your copy of Windows
XP.

Use the XP product key for the new machine if both have OEM versions of XP,
so as to keep 'clean' with the EULA on each.

If there are any devices for which XP requires specific drivers, then you
can insert the CD which you made earlier.

Once the system is operating, you can decide if you wish to clone the 'old'
drive to the new one.

You can also consider using Ghost to make an image of the xurrent working
state of the old PC before starting all of this. So that you can reimage the
'old' operating environment back to the drive if you replace it in the old PC.

Sounds complicated, but it is necessary if you don't have all the original
application disks and licence / product IDs etc.

 

[Nick Haury]

The 'registry' is an integral part of Windows.

To keep this intact and not have any Windows settings is as if one were to
keep the water in a bowl, but not keep the bowl!

If the new system has all your applications installed, then good use Files
and Settings Transfer to export from the old and import to the new. Save the
FAST file to your HDD and then copy off to a CD or DVD for the convenience of
this 2 step process.

If you don't have all the application so as to reinstall; then take the HDD
from the old machine and install it in place of the system drive in the new
machine.

Prior to this, make a list of all the devices you have installed and
download all the relevant drivers from the manufacturer's web site, copy them
to a CD.

Now do not boot up into Windows, but insert the 'old' Windows Home CD and
allow the system to boot off the CD. You will need to perform a repair
install to set the 'old' Windows HDD to the new motherboard etc.

You receive the following message on the Welcome to Setup screen that
appears:
This portion of the Setup program prepares Microsoft Windows XP to run on
your computer:

To setup Windows XP now, press ENTER.

To repair a Windows XP installation using Recovery Console, press R.

To quit Setup without installing Windows XP, press F3.

Press ENTER to set up Windows XP.

On the Windows XP Licensing Agreement screen, press F8 to agree to the
license agreement.

Make sure that your current installation of Windows XP is selected in the
box, and then press R to repair Windows XP.

After you repair Windows XP, you may have to reactivate your copy of Windows
XP.

Use the XP product key for the new machine if both have OEM versions of XP,
so as to keep 'clean' with the EULA on each.

If there are any devices for which XP requires specific drivers, then you
can insert the CD which you made earlier.

Once the system is operating, you can decide if you wish to clone the 'old'
drive to the new one.

You can also consider using Ghost to make an image of the xurrent working
state of the old PC before starting all of this. So that you can reimage the
'old' operating environment back to the drive if you replace it in the old PC.

Sounds complicated, but it is necessary if you don't have all the original
application disks and licence / product IDs etc.


:

Then, if I understand you correctly the answer is NO. That if I want to
upgrade this computer to Win XP Pro, I will loose all my setting, all
the programs and drives for the MB. If I use the restore disk, it will
put Win XP Home back on the system after I go to the trouble of putting
XP Pro on. Now what I need to do is transfer all the files that pertain
to the new system, the programs them selves would be nice, some where
safe that I can import back into the system after it is configured with
XP Pro.

In a nut shell here is the problem, my had drive crashed in my old
system. Fortuneitly I alway have my important files on another hard
drive. Instead of just getting a new hard drive I went and got a new
system that has Win XP Home on it, also it has all the MB info, as well
as the, i.e. DVD burner and software all ready loaded. I has a hidden
partition that contains the system restore software, but all the
software that I want in incorporated into the system restore. Now if I
go and put XP Pro on the machine, then I must format the hard drive for
it. So the situation is how can I backup the system restore, to retain
the software for the new system, and load XP Pro?

 

[Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)]

Essentially, what you want to do is load your XP Pro but use the programs
that came installed with XP Home.. not the way it works..

You could, however, use XP Home unless you have a burning desire to join a
domain..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

 

[Nick Haury]

Essentially, what you want to do is load your XP Pro but use the programs
that came installed with XP Home.. not the way it works..

You could, however, use XP Home unless you have a burning desire to join a
domain..

Thats the problem, the other programs that came with this machine, are
bundled into the restore disks and I cant get some of the separate into
a stand alone install. In example the DVD/CD rom burning program,
doesn't have a separate file to just load that program. I need, not
only this program, but I need the MB video, audio, drivers as well. I
can do without a lot of there junk but when it come down to the drivers
for the MB, I'm stuck. Let's see, video, audio, USB, either net, DVD/CD
program, I think that's it.

 

[Guest]

If you learned to read, it would help.

Frm my understanding of your confused writings: You have a new PC with XP
home and NO APPLICATIONS. You have an Old PC with XP Pro many applications
and documents.

You want to make the new PC have all those applications and docments and do
it 'quickly'; your hope was simply to overwrite the new PC registrry with
that of the Old PC. This is not a solution, it will result in damaging the
Operating System and making the PC useless.

By definition, 'Upgrading' Home to Pro is not an issue. Definiton of
Upgrade - to install the newer or improved version of an application or
operating system 'in-place' or 'over the top' of an existing application or
operating system.

What it will achieve for your purposes is absolutely NOTHING, in so far as
the installation and use of application or documents that are installed on
another PC. 'ALL' applications and files, documents etc cannot be copied off
one PC onto another and be expected to work. If it were this easy, then
people would be 'stealing' software all day long.

What is required, is to install all those applications onto the XP Home
system. My suggestion was with regards to time saving ideas and considering
that you may or not have the installation CDs for all the applications.

Thus my comments are written with a view as to how you can 'reuse' the FULL
WORKING SYSTEM of the OLD PC in the New PC.

If you have all the applications, then take the long 'easy route': install
the applications onto the New PC, one at a time. Once it has been fully
'built', then use Files and Settings Transfer Wizard on the Old PC, create
the 'FAST File' and then run FAST on the New PC and import the FAST file from
the Old PC.

If you can't install the applications on the New PC, then you should
consider the repair install, using the Hard Drive from the Old PC in the new
PC and then perform a repair install to set XP to the new Motherboard.

I hope you take time to read this and my previous post, carefully: come back
again if you have any more questions.

 

[Nick Haury]

If you learned to read, it would help.

Frm my understanding of your confused writings: You have a new PC with XP
home and NO APPLICATIONS. You have an Old PC with XP Pro many applications
and documents.

You want to make the new PC have all those applications and docments and do
it 'quickly'; your hope was simply to overwrite the new PC registrry with
that of the Old PC. This is not a solution, it will result in damaging the
Operating System and making the PC useless.

By definition, 'Upgrading' Home to Pro is not an issue. Definiton of
Upgrade - to install the newer or improved version of an application or
operating system 'in-place' or 'over the top' of an existing application or
operating system.

What it will achieve for your purposes is absolutely NOTHING, in so far as
the installation and use of application or documents that are installed on
another PC. 'ALL' applications and files, documents etc cannot be copied off
one PC onto another and be expected to work. If it were this easy, then
people would be 'stealing' software all day long.

What is required, is to install all those applications onto the XP Home
system. My suggestion was with regards to time saving ideas and considering
that you may or not have the installation CDs for all the applications.

Thus my comments are written with a view as to how you can 'reuse' the FULL
WORKING SYSTEM of the OLD PC in the New PC.

If you have all the applications, then take the long 'easy route': install
the applications onto the New PC, one at a time. Once it has been fully
'built', then use Files and Settings Transfer Wizard on the Old PC, create
the 'FAST File' and then run FAST on the New PC and import the FAST file from
the Old PC.

If you can't install the applications on the New PC, then you should
consider the repair install, using the Hard Drive from the Old PC in the new
PC and then perform a repair install to set XP to the new Motherboard.

I hope you take time to read this and my previous post, carefully: come back
again if you have any more questions.





:

If you learned to understand, that would do the trick.

I have a new pc, yes, forget all the other crap applications for a
moment. This new pc, had already been loaded with WIN XP Home and it's
various software, drivers and the like, for the hardware that came with
it! Now I want to upgrade the OS to WIN XP Pro! Are you reading my
lips so far? The old PC's Hard drive is "FUBAR", got that? Now, I'm
not at all worried about my files and the programs that I have, but what
I am concerned about are the one that were preinstalled at the factory
on the new PC! These programs I don't have, but will need on the new PC
after I load WIN XP Pro, you got that? This is the question? THE
APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ON THE NEW PC, IS THERE A WAY TO GET THEM FROM THE
NEW PC's HARD DRIVE, (AND INTACT ), AND BACK ON THE HDD AFTER I
INSTALL WIN XP PRO? This seems to me a simple question, I've read all
the responses and it seems to me that if I could articulate correctly
that it would have been resolved by now. I know, I know, all about the
Files and Settings Transfer Wizard, but that doesn't do me any good in a
reverse situation! I need the drivers and programs that function on the
new PC WIN XP Home to be on the WIN XP Pro OS when I install it. The
restore disk doesn't list them individually so it going to be impossible
to use the restore CD as a source to install the programs and drives
that I need! To your reference to using the WIN XP Home disk, I can't,
It's part of the restore disk. If I install Pro and then the restore
disk, it will just overwrite the XP pro OS to XP Home, understand? This
is either a yes or no question! From what you have said, I take it the
answer is NO! I'm just SOL as far as upgrading my system to XP Pro,
unless I want to buy the programs that came with the new system ( ie the
one that lets me burn cd's an dvd's) as far as getting the drivers for
the system from the manufacturer, this is not an option either since
they haven't posted them on their web site due to the new ness of the
system to the public market. So I guess I'll have to use XP Home, I
really don't want to. Thanks for nothing.
P.S. If you think I'm a little pissed at your last post then you get the
bras ring, I don't appericiate to be talked to in that manner, so what
goes around, come around.
Nick

 

[Ricky]

If you learned to understand, that would do the trick.

I have a new pc, yes, forget all the other crap applications for a moment.
This new pc, had already been loaded with WIN XP Home and it's various
software, drivers and the like, for the hardware that came with it! Now I
want to upgrade the OS to WIN XP Pro! Are you reading my lips so far?
The old PC's Hard drive is "FUBAR", got that? Now, I'm not at all worried
about my files and the programs that I have, but what I am concerned about
are the one that were preinstalled at the factory on the new PC! These
programs I don't have, but will need on the new PC after I load WIN XP
Pro, you got that? This is the question? THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ON THE
NEW PC, IS THERE A WAY TO GET THEM FROM THE NEW PC's HARD DRIVE, (AND
INTACT ), AND BACK ON THE HDD AFTER I INSTALL WIN XP PRO? This seems to
me a simple question, I've read all the responses and it seems to me that
if I could articulate correctly that it would have been resolved by now.
I know, I know, all about the Files and Settings Transfer Wizard, but that
doesn't do me any good in a reverse situation! I need the drivers and
programs that function on the new PC WIN XP Home to be on the WIN XP Pro
OS when I install it. The restore disk doesn't list them individually so
it going to be impossible to use the restore CD as a source to install the
programs and drives that I need! To your reference to using the WIN XP
Home disk, I can't, It's part of the restore disk. If I install Pro and
then the restore disk, it will just overwrite the XP pro OS to XP Home,
understand? This is either a yes or no question! From what you have
said, I take it the answer is NO! I'm just SOL as far as upgrading my
system to XP Pro, unless I want to buy the programs that came with the new
system ( ie the one that lets me burn cd's an dvd's) as far as getting
the drivers for the system from the manufacturer, this is not an option
either since they haven't posted them on their web site due to the new
ness of the system to the public market. So I guess I'll have to use XP
Home, I really don't want to. Thanks for nothing.
P.S. If you think I'm a little pissed at your last post then you get the
bras ring, I don't appericiate to be talked to in that manner, so what
goes around, come around.
Nick

Go here and get Everest Home..
http://www.lavalys.com/products/download.php?pid=1&lang=en It will tell you
what kind of motherboard and other hardware you have. After that you can go
to the manufactures website and get the drivers.

 

[Nick Haury]

Go here and get Everest Home..
http://www.lavalys.com/products/download.php?pid=1&lang=en It will tell you
what kind of motherboard and other hardware you have. After that you can go
to the manufactures website and get the drivers.

Thanks Ricky, that helps alot. Again thanks
Nick

 

[D.Currie]

Thats the problem, the other programs that came with this machine, are
bundled into the restore disks and I cant get some of the separate into a
stand alone install. In example the DVD/CD rom burning program, doesn't
have a separate file to just load that program. I need, not only this
program, but I need the MB video, audio, drivers as well. I can do
without a lot of there junk but when it come down to the drivers for the
MB, I'm stuck. Let's see, video, audio, USB, either net, DVD/CD program,
I think that's it.

Whether you can do what you want depends entirely on what sort of XP Pro CD
you have. If it's an oem cd, the only way to install it would be a fresh
install, so you'd lose everything on the new computer.

However, if you have either a full retail version or an upgrade version of
Pro, then you just do an upgrade. However, some programs may want to be
reinstalled anyway, after the upgrade. There's no way to know which ones
will be affected that way until after you do the upgrade. But since the
computer is new, there's not that much risk. You could just go back to Home
again if it didn;t work.

 

[Nick Haury]

Whether you can do what you want depends entirely on what sort of XP Pro CD
you have. If it's an oem cd, the only way to install it would be a fresh
install, so you'd lose everything on the new computer.

However, if you have either a full retail version or an upgrade version of
Pro, then you just do an upgrade. However, some programs may want to be
reinstalled anyway, after the upgrade. There's no way to know which ones
will be affected that way until after you do the upgrade. But since the
computer is new, there's not that much risk. You could just go back to Home
again if it didn;t work.

Well, the computer came with XP Home SP2 installed, and my retail disk
is just XP Pro no SP's. When I go to install it it say that that there
is a new version of XP (meaning SP2) on the machine. So how do I get
around this? What about slipstreaming my retail version to include WIN
XP Pro SP2 on it? Again, thanks, and will wait patiently for your reply
Nick

 

[D.Currie]

Well, the computer came with XP Home SP2 installed, and my retail disk is
just XP Pro no SP's. When I go to install it it say that that there is a
new version of XP (meaning SP2) on the machine. So how do I get around
this? What about slipstreaming my retail version to include WIN XP Pro
SP2 on it? Again, thanks, and will wait patiently for your reply
Nick

That's exactly what you'll want to do -- slipstream SP2 into the Pro and
then install.

 

[Nick Haury]

That's exactly what you'll want to do -- slipstream SP2 into the Pro and
then install.

Well I tried that, but I think that I messed up the burn procedure. I
put in the slipstream disk and it started ok, but when it got to the
first reboot everything went hay wire after that. Couldn't fine this
couldn't fine that. Tried to boot to the home edition and it couldn't
find a file, so it crashed. Finally had to do a rescue back to the XP
Home edition. Any help would greatly be appreciated.
Nick

 

[D.Currie]

Well I tried that, but I think that I messed up the burn procedure. I put
in the slipstream disk and it started ok, but when it got to the first
reboot everything went hay wire after that. Couldn't fine this couldn't
fine that. Tried to boot to the home edition and it couldn't find a file,
so it crashed. Finally had to do a rescue back to the XP Home edition.
Any help would greatly be appreciated.
Nick

If it's not finding files, either it was a bad burn or the CD drive is
having issues, or the CD is dirty. Some drives don't notice fingerprints at
all, others are quite picky.

Also, there are a whole lot of methods for creating a slipstreamed CD. If
you haven't done this before, you might just want to try another program to
see if you get better results. Or try creating the CD on a different
computer. I had problems making a slipstreamed CD on one computer, but the
same program ran flawlessly on another. On the first computer, sometimes it
wouldn't finish the job, and sometimes it would finish, but the disk
wouldn't work. On the second computer, it works every time.

 

[Nick Haury]

If it's not finding files, either it was a bad burn or the CD drive is
having issues, or the CD is dirty. Some drives don't notice fingerprints at
all, others are quite picky.

Also, there are a whole lot of methods for creating a slipstreamed CD. If
you haven't done this before, you might just want to try another program to
see if you get better results. Or try creating the CD on a different
computer. I had problems making a slipstreamed CD on one computer, but the
same program ran flawlessly on another. On the first computer, sometimes it
wouldn't finish the job, and sometimes it would finish, but the disk
wouldn't work. On the second computer, it works every time.

The problem I had were the settings give in the tutorial of "Nero".
They used a "Nero Burning ROM SE-6", where as I only have "Nero Express
6" of "Record Now". Any pointers?
Nick

 

[D.Currie]

The problem I had were the settings give in the tutorial of "Nero". They
used a "Nero Burning ROM SE-6", where as I only have "Nero Express 6" of
"Record Now". Any pointers?
Nick

The program I use to create the slipstreams results in an ISO file and from
there it doesn't matter which program is used to create the final CD. I
don't even remember if the program mentioned burning programs at all, as
dealing with an ISO is going to be a pretty basic task. I think there's even
a MS powertoy that will handle them.

Without knowing how you're creating the slipstream, and without knowing why
it's referencing one program over another it's hard to say what the problem
is. Sounds like you're not using the same program I used. Basically, all I
have to do is have the original XP CD (or those files on the hard drive) and
the SP files, and then point the program to where those are, and it creates
an ISO. Then I use whatever burning program I have to make the CD.

If you mention what program you're using to create the slipstream, maybe
someone who is familiar with the program will chime in with the information.
To be honest, I couldn't walk you step-by-step through the program I used,
since it's been quite some time since I created the ISO. But there wasn't
much to it that wasn't obvious -- where is XP, where is the SP, and where do
you want the file saved. And that was it.

 

[Ricky]

The program I use to create the slipstreams results in an ISO file and
from there it doesn't matter which program is used to create the final CD.
I don't even remember if the program mentioned burning programs at all, as
dealing with an ISO is going to be a pretty basic task. I think there's
even a MS powertoy that will handle them.

Without knowing how you're creating the slipstream, and without knowing
why it's referencing one program over another it's hard to say what the
problem is. Sounds like you're not using the same program I used.
Basically, all I have to do is have the original XP CD (or those files on
the hard drive) and the SP files, and then point the program to where
those are, and it creates an ISO. Then I use whatever burning program I
have to make the CD.

If you mention what program you're using to create the slipstream, maybe
someone who is familiar with the program will chime in with the
information. To be honest, I couldn't walk you step-by-step through the
program I used, since it's been quite some time since I created the ISO.
But there wasn't much to it that wasn't obvious -- where is XP, where is
the SP, and where do you want the file saved. And that was it.

This is a good slipstream program here..
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/Autostreamer.shtml

 

[Nick Haury]

Well I tried that, but I think that I messed up the burn procedure. I
put in the slipstream disk and it started ok, but when it got to the
first reboot everything went hay wire after that. Couldn't fine this
couldn't fine that. Tried to boot to the home edition and it couldn't
find a file, so it crashed. Finally had to do a rescue back to the XP
Home edition. Any help would greatly be appreciated.
Nick

OK, more information. My XP Pro Disk is an upgrade, does that present a
problem? After I slip stream it with SP2 and try to upgrade my XP Home,
it tells me that it cant locate the program to update, or something like
that.